My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]Anab wrote:
Hey guys,

because of my work I sometimes have to take a quick meal (in the form of a shake)

I tried whey protein + creamer/olive oil + fish oil caps(no raw eggs, because the bad absorption of the protein). But it really sucks, because my stomach doesn’t feel full and the hunger returns very quickly.

You guys have suggestions?

Another question for you guys,

do you count carbs from the veggies onion, cucumber, green beans & broccoli, because I want to eat a shitload of them (to keep my hunger still)?

Thanks[/quote]

a couple pages back, I listed my shake:

5-6 raw eggs
2 oz. or 4 tbsp full cream or half and half
2 scoops vanilla milk and egg protein powder
1 tbsp vanilla extract
1-2 tbsp coconut milk
crushed ice

That should fill you up really nice, last me about a couple hrs and tastes just like a real milkshake.

Youre probably hungry again because you are using whey and olive oil. I find that caseins are better, I only use when post WO. Also olive oil is not as filling as cream.

6003

Had my first carb-up this weekend. It wasn’t wasn’t the carb fest I thought it might be, but I’m not complaining. I’ve been paleo dieting for most of 2007 so carb cravings are practically gone. Anyway…

Here’s my question for the veterans:

This morning (Monday) I just couldn’t wake up. I had slept 8 hours, got up to have a protein+cream+spinach+berries shake (6gr net carbs), but “fell” into bed again straight after drinking it and slept another 2.5 hours. What’s up with that? Is this normal? I didn’t have this problem on Sunday morning and my Sunday dinner was already a protein+fat meal. I didn’t train over the weekend (in case that makes a difference).

Thanks for any help!

6004

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
You guys don’t count the carbs if it has fiber to negate it, correct?

For example a serving of my psyllium husk has 7 grams of carb but also has 4 grams of fiber. Do I count this as 7g or 3g?[/quote]

Don’t count insoluble fiber. Soluble counts as .5 g of carbs for every gram

6005

[quote]skinnymuscles wrote:
How do I know how much splenda (carbs) is in a serving of Xtend? It says o cals, zero carbs…[/quote]

I can’t say, I’d just add a carb per serving. I think that would be safe. After being on the AD for a while I wouldn’t sweat it too much IMHO.

6006

This message may be helpful to people who are considering this diet for bodybuilding purposes who have been training for a while.

I have been training for about 5 years seriously, current stats are 6’1, 240lbs at roughly 12%bf. I started this diet exactly 1 week ago, some things I have noticed are that you will lose weight initally but this is WATER… I was 246 at this time last week before starting this diet. I noticed at roughly 3 days into the diet I started losing weight, this has tapered off over the last day or so. I believe that just now I have reached glycogen depletion. As for training, strength has not taken a hit at all, the main thing I credit this to is keep the calories up, don’t be afraid to eat fat!

Even though I was skeptical at first, I recommend giving this a try, you won’t lose all your hard earned muscle… even though it has only been a week, I have been keeping close tabs on this lol.

The only problem I have though is the idea of no carbs post workout. This part has yet to make sense to me despite the rest of this diet being solid. My question is how much of an effect would using Waxy Maize post workout have on this diet? I feel like using a small amount, maybe 40g or so with BCAA’s and a whey isolate would be extremely benefical, particulary for gaining new LBM, as it has next to no effect on insulin levels. I feel like I am personally too early into this diet to start tweaking it already, but has anyone used Wazy Maize with success while on the AD?

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[quote]Optic wrote:

My question is how much of an effect would using Waxy Maize post workout have on this diet? I feel like using a small amount, maybe 40g or so with BCAA’s and a whey isolate would be extremely benefical, particulary for gaining new LBM, as it has next to no effect on insulin levels. I feel like I am personally too early into this diet to start tweaking it already, but has anyone used Wazy Maize with success while on the AD?[/quote]

You just don’t need post WO carbs with this diet. Look in this thead, DiPasquale and Poliquin both have protocols for post WO with glutamine, glycine, and whey protein. The Glutamine can be used to replenish glycogyens so again the post WO carbs are not needed.

6008

i think the main thing is..dont tweak anything for the first few months.

today
8am
4 eggs
1 serving muscle milk
8g fish oil

11am
2 fat grilled burgers with olive oil and spinach

1 workout
5og whey isolate
5 g creatine

3pm
a huge hunk of pan fried hamburger
and 3 cups broccoli w/ butter
2 handfulls walnuts

6pm
4 handfulls cashews
50 g protein shake

9:30
1 avocado
50g protein shake

i think i went over my carb limit with those nuts and the muscle milk is 12g carbs, still i am enjoying this

day 8 done

6009

Soo kinda new to this diet started about 3 days ago been reading the thread for about 5 days alot more to read

So does aspertane count as a carb?

Measurements at start
weight-223lbs
heigth-70in
waist-39in
neck-18in
biceps-16.5
bf%-??

6010

[quote]cesliwakan wrote:
i think the main thing is…dont tweak anything for the first few months.

[/quote]

Ding Ding DIng*

“Give that man a CeeeEGARRRR!”

Exactly. Don’t tweak it until at least 5 months in.

AD

6011

hey guys.

diets going well, im on day 7.

the thing is i havent crashed yet and dont know if its one of two things…

because i was on a low carb diet before (pretty much a tkd)

or…

because my carbs have been too low (probably between 15 and 20 avg)

feeling absolutely great so far, energetic from when i first wake untill i go to bed at night, no loss of strength etc

can anyonne shine some light on the subject.

question 2.

someone recommended a split in this thread and i cant find it anywhere, it was something like a push/pull/legs through low carb days, then upper/lower sat and sunday, anyone got the split and routine or page number

6012

[quote]Optic wrote:

The only problem I have though is the idea of no carbs post workout. This part has yet to make sense to me despite the rest of this diet being solid. My question is how much of an effect would using Waxy Maize post workout have on this diet? I feel like using a small amount, maybe 40g or so with BCAA’s and a whey isolate would be extremely benefical, particulary for gaining new LBM, as it has next to no effect on insulin levels. I feel like I am personally too early into this diet to start tweaking it already, but has anyone used Wazy Maize with success while on the AD?[/quote]

You could save your 30g carbs for pwo. Dr. D actually recommends this as a way of getting your carbs. I just think it would hard to do and still eat nuts and vegs. I’ve been considering spreading 15g out then doing 15g pwo. Although a quality whey hydrolysate or isolate, and BCAA’s would be good enough.

6013

I’m wondering a bit about the science behind this and lean mass GAINS. If doing the AD in a caloric surplus, the surplus of cals would be coming from fat… so is the fat being converted into muscle? I didn’t think that was possible… Basically if taking in over maintenance cals and the cals are mostly fat, why aren’t they being stored as fat?

It almost seems more logical to me to take in a surplus of carbs, because those would be less likely stores as bodyfat. But that doesn’t seem to be correct, because it sounds like this diet works for really lean mass gains.

Can someone provide some insight?

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Amino acids, micronutrients, water, and caloric surplus make muscle.

Just think of it as energy. Also, eating mostly fat helps you burn fat more readily since it is in “surplus” compared to carbohydrate/glycogen which must be spared due to minimal intake.

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[quote]Optic wrote:
This message may be helpful to people who are considering this diet for bodybuilding purposes who have been training for a while.

I have been training for about 5 years seriously, current stats are 6’1, 240lbs at roughly 12%bf. I started this diet exactly 1 week ago, some things I have noticed are that you will lose weight initally but this is WATER… I was 246 at this time last week before starting this diet. I noticed at roughly 3 days into the diet I started losing weight, this has tapered off over the last day or so. I believe that just now I have reached glycogen depletion. As for training, strength has not taken a hit at all, the main thing I credit this to is keep the calories up, don’t be afraid to eat fat!

Even though I was skeptical at first, I recommend giving this a try, you won’t lose all your hard earned muscle… even though it has only been a week, I have been keeping close tabs on this lol.

The only problem I have though is the idea of no carbs post workout. This part has yet to make sense to me despite the rest of this diet being solid. My question is how much of an effect would using Waxy Maize post workout have on this diet? I feel like using a small amount, maybe 40g or so with BCAA’s and a whey isolate would be extremely benefical, particulary for gaining new LBM, as it has next to no effect on insulin levels. I feel like I am personally too early into this diet to start tweaking it already, but has anyone used Wazy Maize with success while on the AD?[/quote]

I wouldn’t use post workout carbs. It defeats the whole purpose of the AD. Despite all you’ve heard about post w/o carbs you don’t need them. You still get an insulin response threw protein. I haven’t been using any post w/o carbs and my gains have been fantastic.

Those post w/o carbs will blunt your anabolic hormones from being released. I you want to replenish muscle glycogen you could take in between 30-80g of glutamine post w/o. I tried this but I didn’t notice any extra improvement.

One thing that helps is BCAAs. I take 30-35g during my w/o. Also 10g of fish oil caps a half hour before w/o helps too. btw 2 months ago I benched 315 for 3 reps yesterday I hit 365 for 3 reps and I’ve put on over an inch on my arms. This diet kicks ass IMO.

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[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
cesliwakan wrote:
i think the main thing is…dont tweak anything for the first few months.

Ding Ding DIng*

“Give that man a CeeeEGARRRR!”

Exactly. Don’t tweak it until at least 5 months in.

AD[/quote]

Ditto…

6017

Welcome skinnymuscles,

[quote]skinnymuscles wrote:
I’m wondering a bit about the science behind this and lean mass GAINS. If doing the AD in a caloric surplus, the surplus of cals would be coming from fat…[/quote]

The surplus is proportional with fat AND protein being increased(carbs can also be increased proportionally based on percentages, but that is after complete fat adaptation and I know that others are just waiting to respond to that one so just stick to the 30g of carb until you are completely adapted.

[quote] so is the fat being converted into muscle?

[/quote] No, the increased fat is allowing the increased protein to do it’s job.(Synthesize muscle)

You’re right it’s not.

Not sure where you came up with this anecdote, but if you are taking in more than your body can metabolize, then they WILL be stored as fat. It’s just that you have an up regulation of fat burning enzymes once adapted so this diet is more forgiving than traditional diets on your fat intake.(fat is used more readily)[quote]

It almost seems more logical to me to take in a surplus of carbs, because those would be less likely stores as bodyfat. [/quote]

Again not sure about your sources, but once your muscle and liver are full, carbs are then turned into fat, that is the basis of stopping your carb load when you begin to smooth out.(which by the way doesn’t hold true if you have excess BF to begin with)

Also, if you are taking in tons of carbs on a regular basis, then you lose the benefit of the enzymes that release fat and increase the ones that lay it on as soon as your glycogen stores are full and also turn back into a muscle burning machine if you happen to not meet your caloric requirements for the day by using protein for gluconeogenesis.

Exactly![quote]

Can someone provide some insight?[/quote]

There is alot more to it, but this should clear things up a bit, but then again it may just raise more questions. LOL  There are a lot of Knowledgable people on this thread and as you can see most questions get answered.  Hope this helps.

Best, UE

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Hey guys,

I have question concerning carb cycling diets (Similar to what Christian Thibaudeau and Justin Harris prescribe). In the Anabolic Diet, your metabolism becomes completely fat adapted. In low carb cycling diets, your body isn’t fat adapted, yet you still carb up every few days and go very low carb for the remainder.

Other than fat adaptation, what is the primary difference between this diet and carb cycling diets?

6019

[quote]TravisCS84 wrote:
Hey guys,

I have question concerning carb cycling diets (Similar to what Christian Thibaudeau and Justin Harris prescribe). In the Anabolic Diet, your metabolism becomes completely fat adapted. In low carb cycling diets, your body isn’t fat adapted, yet you still carb up every few days and go very low carb for the remainder.

Other than fat adaptation, what is the primary difference between this diet and carb cycling diets? [/quote]

For one thing this is a carb cycling diet. Another difference is that you don’t hit ketosis with the 30 g of carb. Basically you go low carb for 5 days then carb for 2 days… Fuck it, I don’t really understand your question. There so many different diets just read the first few pages of this thread. Maybe you’ll find the answers your looking for. Good luck:)

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day 8, and this was the first time i felt bad. had a headache for about an hour, but soon went off when i had a nice big fat/pro meal.

carb up is fast approaching and wanted to ask people’s views on a minimum and near maximum amount of CHO to consume per 24 hours on the weekend

stats as of now: 150lbs, 5"7, 11% bf

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Carbing Up on the Cyclical Ketogenic Diet …go to this web site, it’ll tell you what you want to know about carbing up.