[quote]gi2eg wrote:
I was looking at a table of foods, and more than a few grains (pasta, barley, etc.)had equal fructose to glucose. This is not a problem?
I also came across a study that showed synergistic enhanced glycogen uptake of fructose+glucose.
And another that showed muscle glycogen intake being equal after 3 hours between glucose and fructose.
Please advise…[/quote]
What sort of advice are you looking for?
Plus then you try carbing up on veggies and fruit and getting 500-600 grams in of carbs! They tend to fill you up.
I don’t think an all fruit and veggie carb up would be very “anabolic”.
[quote]Pauli D wrote:
gi2eg wrote:
I was looking at a table of foods, and more than a few grains (pasta, barley, etc.)had equal fructose to glucose. This is not a problem?
I also came across a study that showed synergistic enhanced glycogen uptake of fructose+glucose.
And another that showed muscle glycogen intake being equal after 3 hours between glucose and fructose.
Please advise…
What sort of advice are you looking for?[/quote]
I want to read studies about the body’s 50g fructose per day limit. Not calling anyone wrong, but no luck so far in my searches.
Almost everything I’m finding is written like a magazine article, in an assumptive tone. Maybe if the primary sugar intake is fructose there is an upregulation of enzyme activity/production and/or fructose:glucose conversion?
Doesn’t seem right that we can’t fill muscles up with fruits and vegetables…
[quote]YoungGunner wrote:
Plus then you try carbing up on veggies and fruit and getting 500-600 grams in of carbs! They tend to fill you up.
I don’t think an all fruit and veggie carb up would be very “anabolic”.[/quote]
I know for a fact that I could do 300-400g fruit and vegetable carbs/day.
Is there any other reason you say it wouldn’t be as “anabolic”? Other than a less sharp insulin spike compared to say, pasta. (As far as I’m aware, pineapple and bananas are two examples of fruit that still elicit a relatively high insulin response.)
[quote]gi2eg wrote:
YoungGunner wrote:
Plus then you try carbing up on veggies and fruit and getting 500-600 grams in of carbs! They tend to fill you up.
I don’t think an all fruit and veggie carb up would be very “anabolic”.
I know for a fact that I could do 300-400g fruit and vegetable carbs/day.
Is there any other reason you say it wouldn’t be as “anabolic”? Other than a less sharp insulin spike compared to say, pasta. (As far as I’m aware, pineapple and bananas are two examples of fruit that still elicit a relatively high insulin response.)[/quote]
ya know what if it works for you and your happy do it! but if your not happy with it tweak around…do what others have done and see what works for you
After reading about the diet, I decided to give the induction phase a try this week. I’ve tried before and always feel like shit by day 6 or so and bail, wolfing down a ton of carbs. I realized after reading Christian’s articles on low carb diets and Dr. M’s book that I wasn’t getting my fats high enough or having enough cals in the induction phase. With that in mind, here’s Day 2.
I’m 6’1, 210 and looking to cut down to about 195. I’m eating atleast 15 x BW. Thoughts?
Day Two… trying to up the fats, as suggested, but damn it’s hard to get down to 30 net carbs. (Side note: isn’t it odd that it’s 30 g for a 250 pound man or a 120 pound woman.
P.S. It’s 12:30 and I should be going to bed, but damn I’m hungry…
Breakfast
Carlson’s Finest Fish Oil, 1 tbsp
Flameout, 2 Softgels
FLAX SEED, 2 tbsp
Metabolic Drive!, 2 Scoops
Morning Snack
ALMOND, WHOLE, natural, 1/2 oz
FLAX SEED, 2 tbsp
HAVARTI CHEESE, Casino, 1 oz
Isopure Zero Carb Whey, 2 Scoops
PUMPKIN SEED, 1/2 oz
Lunch
CHICKEN THIGH, 1 thigh
Spinach + Handful of baby carrots
PUMPKIN SEED, 1 oz
Red Salmon Can, 3.5 Servings Per Can, 3.5/4 Cups
Afternoon Snack
ALMOND, WHOLE, natural, 1 oz
Beef Lil Smokies, 15 links
CHEDDAR CHEESE, ‘New York’, 1 oz
Dinner
BUTTER, REGULAR, Darigold, ‘Quarters’, 8 grams
CHEDDAR CHEESE, ‘New York’, 1 oz
EGG, CHICKEN, RAW, whole, fresh, 3 large
Evening Snack
Beef Lil Smokies, 5 links
Metabolic Drive!, 2 Scoops
Cals 3330
Pro 286 g
Carb 65 g
Fiber 25 g
Net Carb 40 g
Fat 218 g
PCF Ratio: 34-8-58
[quote]gi2eg wrote:
Doesn’t seem right that we can’t fill muscles up with fruits and vegetables…
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Oh, I think you certainly CAN…not a problem…do it often and regularly myself as a matter of fact.
You know, I’m pretty stubborn about adding new things into my diet (supplement-wise). Why? Let’s just say I have to “discover” many things for myself.
The first “most helpful” thing I ever didn’t do when it was given to me as advice…but once I tried it, it was pure gold…
—was a food log.
The second “most helpful” thing I ever didn’t do when it was given to me as advice…but once I tried it, it IS pure gold…
—is BCAA’s.
It’s been said, and repeated many times, but take your BCAA’s on the AD…the results are amazing. I’ve gained size, strength and endurance during a RESTRICTED CALORIE phase.
do it, if you can. You’ll not regret it.
AD
From the “What It’s Worth” department:
Here’s a link, previously posted by CaliLaw back a few dozen pages or so.
http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/mcdonald/carb-up-and-ketogenic-diet.htm
May be helpful to some.
A lot of references cited…
peace
wow futuredave,
i think you might want to try eating meat and eggs. 2 scoops of Metabolic Drive is not nearly as filling as a steak, porkchops, hamburger, or 7-8 eggs (maybe 5+2or 3 whites?)
im on day 4 now and ive been really satiated. BUT im not counting calories as much so i may be over or under a bit. i just enjoy my life more when i dont keep a food journal. i did it for years in the past so it might be instinctual at this point.
i just do the calculations based on 18xBW for total daily P+F and devide that by 5. i just shoot for around those numbers per meal.
5-6 eggs and a sausage is a pretty filling breakfast.
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
ya know what if it works for you and your happy do it! but if your not happy with it tweak around…do what others have done and see what works for you[/quote]
Good advice, I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this set-up before. I’ll give it a shot, and report back.
I’ve been a “fat burner” for a while, fruit/veggies/beer being my only carb source for well over a year.
Gunna try to eat higher glucose:fructose fruits such as pineapples, apricots, figs, cherries, berries, etc. I will eat root veggies such as carrots, rutabagas, beets, and the like. Also might have a serving or two of pure maple syrup.
I’m aware that I might not get a complete carb-up pump, but I have the feeling that this might not detract too much from the anabolic effect of the diet (which I can already feel/see). The glycogen I do store, supplemented by gluconeogenesis, should hopefully be enough to fuel my exercise during the week (low volume/high intensity 3x per week).
Thanks guys.
p.s. I was 182 lbs, 10% bf after my first weekend, with water weight, of course.
can someone please explain how this diet differs fron atkins? besides the weekends of course. im having a hard time explaining what im doing when my friends ask.
they are like “so its the atkins diet on the weekdays and then you eat like a viking on the weekends?”
i say “pretty much yeah”
i dont know the parameters of the atkins diet. can someone please explain this to me? i doubt its ketosis. does the atkins diet demand less than 30g carb? that seems stupid. im trying not to get any carbs and still managing 30g.
thanks
[quote]cesliwakan wrote:
can someone please explain how this diet differs fron atkins? besides the weekends of course. im having a hard time explaining what im doing when my friends ask.
they are like “so its the atkins diet on the weekdays and then you eat like a viking on the weekends?”
i say “pretty much yeah”
i dont know the parameters of the atkins diet. can someone please explain this to me? i doubt its ketosis. does the atkins diet demand less than 30g carb? that seems stupid. im trying not to get any carbs and still managing 30g.
thanks[/quote]
If your worried about people ragging you about being on atkins, stop. My roomates dogged me for the first 4 months I was on it, but then the one that actually lifts started asking more and more details as the results came in and I was leaning out and getting stronger in lifts at a faster rate than him.
I find people are negative because they are jealous to your commitment and motivation and the fact they don’t have any. But once results start coming in, its hard for them to dog you anymore.
If this isn’t about getting made fun of, just tell them the basics, very low carb for 5 days, high carb for 2. And if they want more details go into the diet somemore.
But if this is about looking like a fat soccer mom on atkins in front of your boys, don’t worry when results come around so while they.
[quote]cesliwakan wrote:
can someone please explain how this diet differs fron atkins? besides the weekends of course. im having a hard time explaining what im doing when my friends ask.
[/quote]
Well…it’s not likely your pals are interested in the science of it all. But essentially, Atkins wasn’t all that concerned with building muscle.
You are.
The AD approach is very beneficial in this regard.
And when it comes time to lean out…the AD is better -much, much better at maintaining the muscle you’ve earned.
Besides…it’s just so much Fun to feel this good!
peace
so if you eat 30g carbs it’s NOT ketogenic? seem like it would be but i havent had any keto side effects. usually ive had sweet breath on a keto diet. but that was much lower in fat than this diet. maybe thats the difference.
does anyone elce have an explanation?
The whole ketogenic thing has been hammered home a bunch of times by the vets of the thread. and in much better of a way than I could hope to answer. The little I picked up is.
You may pass through ketosis, but you don’t stay there, as your body gets fat adapted it uses the keytones more efficiently as energy. That may not be 100% accurate, but to me “ketogenic” is a meaningless word.
All I know is the AD is the best diet I found for my goals (being big and lean), whether it does it through ketosis or not is irrelevant (thats me though, i care more about results than the minutia of the science) And I’d be surprised if many people could tell you what it really is other than “something that has to do with low-carb diets.”
If you really want a scientific thing, DH hit it up a bunch of times in the first 30 pages, and then some of the other guys reiterated it throughout the rest of the thread. If you just want to tell your friends its not ketogenic because you get just the right amount of carbs to stave off ketosis and therefore not-ketogenic, you can say that.
question about fat loss on the AD - if my main goal is fat loss does it matter where my fats are coming from??? should i be trying to get leaner sources of protein? right now my main sources of fat are coming:
cheese
eggs
cream
olive oil
avacados*
salmon**
hamburger
chicken/turkey bacon*
*- occasional
** - 2 times/week
[quote]TBoZ1244 wrote:
The whole ketogenic thing has been hammered home a bunch of times by the vets of the thread. and in much better of a way than I could hope to answer. The little I picked up is.
You may pass through ketosis, but you don’t stay there, as your body gets fat adapted it uses the keytones more efficiently as energy. That may not be 100% accurate, but to me “ketogenic” is a meaningless word.
[/quote]
Sorry, I don’t want to come off as a dick but your incorrect.
You are never supposed to hit ketosis on the AD. If you do than your doing something wrong. Also on the AD your supposed to adapt to burning triglycerides NOT ketones. Yes you’ll burn a just few ketones but they are far from being your primary source of energy on the AD. Just trying to clear things up.
[quote]krew wrote:
question about fat loss on the AD - if my main goal is fat loss does it matter where my fats are coming from??? should i be trying to get leaner sources of protein? right now my main sources of fat are coming:
cheese
eggs
cream
olive oil
avacados*
salmon**
hamburger
chicken/turkey bacon*
*- occasional
** - 2 times/week[/quote]
I’m not at liberty to say for sure since I haven’t used this diet for fat loss, but I think to much cheese and cream can fatten me up a bit when bulking on this diet. I know Titan Strength noticed the same thing. Also when I did a ketogenic cylogenic diet, I notice my fat loss slowed when got more of my fats from cheese and bacon instead of vegetable oils.
[quote]krew wrote:
question about fat loss on the AD - if my main goal is fat loss does it matter where my fats are coming from??? should i be trying to get leaner sources of protein? right now my main sources of fat are coming:
cheese
eggs
cream
olive oil
avacados*
salmon**
hamburger
chicken/turkey bacon*
*- occasional
** - 2 times/week[/quote]
That all looks good, Kari.
Shoot for a fair balance of mono, poly and sat fats (a little undulation is fine here).
As for fat loss, you have a couple of broad options to play with until you find your ‘sweet spot.’
The first is obviously a reduction in fat cals…nothing drastic…just enough to begin using stored fat as fuel.
Second is to slightly cut cals across the board -again, nothing drastic …but enough to begin burning off the excess.
I like the second approach because I just feel better with higher fat intake…my joints, my energy, my mood are all improved with higher fat intake…you may feel differently.
Try it and see.
Another tweak that works well is caloric variance.
Start the week (Mon) @ 20% below maint.
Then Tues @ 15% below maint
Wed @ maint
Thur 20% below maint
Fri @ 15% below maint
Over the carb-up stay at maint both days…
If that works well -repeat…if nothing after two weeks, drop the cals again and only carb-up for one day.
I’ll do this for one month every 3 mo’s or so…
It works splendidly well!
peace