Just realized an important question I forgot about. Maybe I should start the diet the way you advocate as far as the first 12 days being low carb, as then I will be "flipped over" to the fat burning most definitely.
I just realized that..and he doesn't have a macro breakdown like the AD...Just a very strict list of allowable foods. I guess I could just improvise with the macro breakdown on the earlier pages of this thread..
What do you think DH?
I think this one is mainly for folks who are not necessarily athletes is what it is… damn I blew it a tad, it was like 5 bucks cheaper than the AS for BBer’s…It’s just that I’m actually that low on cash right now that I made a mistake like that. Takin care of the little girl during the day, school at night=no money…lol.
cheeze whiz…
For rapid fat loss, you’d be fine with going to about 225-250g protein for 900-1000 cals. Then have 50-60g of fat, getting plenty of fish oil, otherwise get it from food. Carb meal every 5th day. Keep it to about 200-250g of starches such as pasta. Make it the last meal and then give a few hours before you hit the sack.
This should be done ONLY after you’ve spent at least 12 days doing the induction phase. We’ve got to give your body the “taste” for fat as it’s fuel, then once it has the idea, we drop ingested fat so that your caloric needs are made up with bodyfat usage.
Adapt, then hardcore diet.
I seriously recommend you get some BCAA bulk powder and take it in one of two ways.
take 6+ grams (to get at least 3g of leucine for protein synthesis stimulation) between meals and at bedtime
take 20g 1/2 hour before you train and then another 10-20g during.
You really can’t beat BCAA for keeping muscle up and fatigue down while dieting.
Best,
DH
[quote]InTheZone wrote:
Just realized an important question I forgot about. Maybe I should start the diet the way you advocate as far as the first 12 days being low carb, as then I will be “flipped over” to the fat burning most definitely.
I just realized that..and he doesn't have a macro breakdown like the AD...Just a very strict list of allowable foods. I guess I could just improvise with the macro breakdown on the earlier pages of this thread..
What do you think DH?
I think this one is mainly for folks who are not necessarily athletes is what it is… damn I blew it a tad, it was like 5 bucks cheaper than the AS for BBer’s…It’s just that I’m actually that low on cash right now that I made a mistake like that. Takin care of the little girl during the day, school at night=no money…lol.
cheeze whiz…[/quote]
One final, I was wondering how you split the three fats?
So I’ll go the 12 like you stated, then 5/1or2…with the updated/dropped fat cals…
I'm gonna see if they'll take it back in exchange for the AS for BBer's with a little extra cash..
I have the following supps as of now, almost out of fish caps, BCAA’s to go for a while, choline, multi, vinpocetine,CoQ10,organic flax pwdr,L-Arg, and of course creatine and pro powder.low carb., 7keto,and joint stuff,msm,gluco/chondroi…and zma
Hey Everyone.
The Diet seems to be working for me so far. I have shed some body fat, put on some muscle (very obvious in the forearms) As far as “weight” lost, don’t know, don’t care - being a veteran dieter I know how problematic getting on the the scale is.
So far I’ve completed three cycles. The first cycle I did the 12-day induction then a two-day carb-up. The Second and Third cycle I did only a 1-day carb-up (14-hrs).
This week I’ll be skipping the carb-up to maximize fat burning for a longer period as I’ll be going away the following weekend and I’ll probably be eating three days of carbs…then RIGHT BACK ON.
I started playing tennis again recently and was concerned about the lack of energy and stamina I’d have on the keto days - so I’ve been taking 1-2 tablespoons of virgin/organic coconut oil around thirty minutes before playing. What a difference! Believe me, it’s almost as though I’ve consumed glucose. I never felt this way in a ketogenic state while playing tennis/other sports before
I’m curious to know if any of you have got the same benefits from coconut oil.
One more thing, even though I’ve been doing the AD almost a month, I haven’t yet lowered my dietary fat intake on the keto days as I seem to still be losing body fat. Is this a good idea or should I decrease the fat calories to lose body fat faster?
Thanks guys !
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
For rapid fat loss, you’d be fine with going to about 225-250g protein for 900-1000 cals. Then have 50-60g of fat, getting plenty of fish oil, otherwise get it from food. Carb meal every 5th day. Keep it to about 200-250g of starches such as pasta. Make it the last meal and then give a few hours before you hit the sack.
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Wow. That is super awesome advice. I think I’ll try it so I can get this contest won and get back to bulking again.
200-250g of carbs in a single meal every 5 days. Gotta find some stuff out here (China) that will fit the bill…
[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
For rapid fat loss, you’d be fine with going to about 225-250g protein for 900-1000 cals. Then have 50-60g of fat, getting plenty of fish oil, otherwise get it from food. Carb meal every 5th day. Keep it to about 200-250g of starches such as pasta. Make it the last meal and then give a few hours before you hit the sack.
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DH,
One more for ya, bro:
Just how fast can we consider healthy fat loss? I mean, we’re told 2lbs/week minimized LBM loss…but you mention a man you’re training who has lost 15lbs in 4 weeks and gained LBM as well as strength.
With the AD, is the “max weight loss recommended” different, and if so, what is it?
Ok I'm guessing here, you just try to keep all fats balanced huh?
It just seems that there might have been some kind of optimal ratio btw all three IMO as technical as the rest of the diet is..
Anyway, I'm hoping someone can chime in on this, otherwise I guess I'll just keep the saturated at the lowest level and up the others..
That just seems kind of wierd that there isn't some kind of guideline.
Anywho, I'm outa here, gonna go hit thighs,chest and tri's...
see ya guys....Tony
I have been making some decent strength and size gains over the past few months, and am happt with my progress, other than the little fat gain, which I have come to terms with,lol. However, I still wanted to throw a breakdown of a carb up day at you, to see if you would recommend any changes?
Carb up consists of:
Meal 1: 1 1/4 cup of raw oats + 1 scoop WPI + honey
Meal 2: Pre workout shake - WPI + creatine
Meal 3: Post workout shake - WPI + creatine + 1.2 litre Powerade
Meal 4: Chicken curry + Brown rice
Meal 5: Low fat yogurt + 1/2 cup oats
Meal 6: Chicken curry + brown rice
Meal 7: Pizza + Pasta (cheat)
Meal 8: 2 cups full fat milk + yogurt and shaken.
This is pretty much a Saturday carb up, and Sunday is very similar, excluding the pre/post workout stuff. Just one meal in that place on carbs+por+fat. I dont really count cals, I just try and count carbs, and thats it. If I dont have pizza or a cheat meal, I will have some chocolate and ice cream:)
What do you think of this typical carb up day? Too much cheating??
[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
I have been making some decent strength and size gains over the past few months, and am happt with my progress, other than the little fat gain, which I have come to terms with,lol. However, I still wanted to throw a breakdown of a carb up day at you, to see if you would recommend any changes?
Carb up consists of:
Meal 1: 1 1/4 cup of raw oats + 1 scoop WPI + honey
Meal 2: Pre workout shake - WPI + creatine
Meal 3: Post workout shake - WPI + creatine + 1.2 litre Powerade
Meal 4: Chicken curry + Brown rice
Meal 5: Low fat yogurt + 1/2 cup oats
Meal 6: Chicken curry + brown rice
Meal 7: Pizza + Pasta (cheat)
Meal 8: 2 cups full fat milk + yogurt and shaken.
This is pretty much a Saturday carb up, and Sunday is very similar, excluding the pre/post workout stuff. Just one meal in that place on carbs+por+fat. I dont really count cals, I just try and count carbs, and thats it. If I dont have pizza or a cheat meal, I will have some chocolate and ice cream:)
What do you think of this typical carb up day? Too much cheating??
Thanks,
Triv [/quote]
no not at all…as a matter of fact i just eat what comes to me…sure i love my rice cooked with chicken and beef broth but i need my saturday china buffets and hell parties are on the weekends so hey hey drinkin time…very nice.
Well, I started the anabolic diet. I am about 250-260 with a good deal of bodyfat so I used 15x my lean mass to start with for number of calories. as my goal is to trim my excess mass. I started today so my initiation phase will be a few days longer than the prescribed 12. And, though this diet kicks ass, it sucks because I’m living in a college dorm this summer with no meal plan and very little money so it’s hard to afford good food. That, and if it’s not microwavable, I can’t eat it. But, I will deal with these hardships as they come.
On a side note, the AD kicked my ass today. I only managed 3000 calories, not even the 3150 I was aiming for. Is this ok for starting the diet? Will I adapt to using fat for fuel ok or should I up my calorie count and suck it up? Any help is appreciated, thanks a lot and good luck to my fellow ADers
Well, I started the anabolic diet 5 weeks ago and thanks to this thread and the book(I found it online here http://static.scribd.com/docs/3ntz51o1kjlaf.pdf )
I have had really good results. My strength is increasing quickly, and I have had a huge increase in energy throughout the day. So far Ive read up to pg. 65 of this thread and have found a great deal of valuable info, but have a few questions.
How long do you recommend being on the diet before I can start experimenting with the mid-week carb up. If it makes a difference I will be on a mass phase over the summer, and am trying to gain 15-25 lbs. I feel like the carb up would be beneficial because I have been getting really worn down feeling around Wednesday/Thursday, but I was just wondering what others thought.
Also, what kind of things do you guys eat to get fats during carb ups? Do you eat the carbs and fat simultaneously or separate?
In the middle of my first load weekend after the 12 day shift phase. Feeling hard and vascular already! The AD diet is great for the bodybuilding offseason. I am focusing on getting a ton of calories this weekend, about 7,000 on Sat and 5,000 Sunday. Mostly coming from clean sources with 2 cheats. I’ll update more later.
I just realized there have been 194 pages added to this thread since I started eating this way. Just struck me, time flies. Now back our regularly scheduled posts.
Something very fun about the AD. Before when I would eat carbs, I would immediately feel like sleeping. Now when I eat them, I get a huge sugar high - it’s like an alcoholic buzz. I bounce around like a kid on pixie stix. I always feel great and ready to take on the world.
Today I had TCBY and then some angel food cake along with strawberries and blueberries and non-fat frozen yogurt. And I couldn’t feel more energized.
Hmm…today was day number two. I went in for an extra workout today and felt goood during the lift but my running felt a bit sluggish, I think I’m just not used to this low of carbs yet.
A question though, if some days, I happen to get up to around 40g of carbs during first 12 day cycle, will that screw me up? I ate roast beef and cheddar I bought from my grocery store this morning and went to fit day and found that they both have a moderate amount of carbs…who knew.
[quote]bearmd wrote:
Hmm…today was day number two. I went in for an extra workout today and felt goood during the lift but my running felt a bit sluggish, I think I’m just not used to this low of carbs yet.
A question though, if some days, I happen to get up to around 40g of carbs during first 12 day cycle, will that screw me up? I ate roast beef and cheddar I bought from my grocery store this morning and went to fit day and found that they both have a moderate amount of carbs…who knew.[/quote]
During the induction I would stay as close to thirty as possible. If you’re a pretty good size guy you’re probably alright, but the induction needs really high fat and really low carbs to force the shift and I wouldn’t play around if it were me.
just want to say a big THANK YOU for posting that thread!!! That is awesome dude…
I’m gonna start Monday, and can’t wait, I got the radical diet and now don’t have to but another book cause you took the time to post that link…I thank you again, killer!
Will chime in on my results soon guys, take care now...ToneBone
and hell parties are on the weekends so hey hey drinkin time…very nice.