My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Hey guys…any opinions on a light jog of friday mornings? I thought if I had a protein shake prior to the jog, I shouldn’t lose any muscle, and I would certainly be burning fat, and only fat! It’s the only day I do cardio too. Other than this, it’s just heavy lifting Mon, wed, thurs, sat.

Thanks[/quote]

I wouldn’t worry about losing muscle w/ or w/o the protein shake. Light jogs are neither intense or long enough to waste muscle… and, truthfully, you’re probably not at a low enough body fat percentage for that to even be a worry.

The jog could drain glycogen stores even further and expel more cellular water, which may make you LOOK smaller… but don’t confuse that with muscle loss.

[quote]Bizmark wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
I have experimented with carb-ups (one and two days “clean,” 12 hours, and one and two “cheat” carbs). Bar none, 12-24 hours of “cheat” carbs work best for me. If I go 48 (or even 36) hours of “clean” foods, I feel bloated and disgusting.

Hmm, thats interesting CLaw. Thats good that you can do that without gaining weight.

But for those of you who aren’t gifted with mixing macronutrients (like myself), heres what I do. I only eat carbs by themselves, literally nothing else with them. The reasons why are if I mix carbs with fats, I look bloated and puffy almost immediately, and if I mix carbs with protein, I feel more sluggish than usual and my muscles don’t fill up at all. For myself I keep any carbups I do to oatmeal and fruit. Plus there are other modifications that I’ve made, like I do not do full day carbups anymore.

I absolutely HATE a full day of carbs. I seriously cannot stand it. It completely ruins my day. I feel sluggish in the morning, then the cravings come in the afternoon, and then by nightfall I pretty much want to end my own life because of the amount of discipline required to keep myself from binging because of the cravings. Those cravings are what made me try mixing my carbs with protein, which didn’t fill up my muscles; and then fats, which seemed to just make me fat immediately. Plus the cravings didn’t seem to go away much by mixing my macronutrients (by mixing protein with carbs it did blunt the cravings somewhat though.) By the way, it took literally since December to figure all this out about myself.

So I actually follow Vince Gironda’s (and Rob Faigin’s) recommendations rather than DiPasquale’s in regards to carb timing, works much better for myself. Plus I never get tired at the end of the week now and I have energy EVERY day rather than ever day but the carbup. But it’s all pretty much the same diet, I guess you could call Vince and Rob’s diet a “modified” AD. Either way just do what works for you, that’s always been the main point that DiPasquale has wanted to get across.

And for you guys who have trouble with mixing macronutrients, first try meals with nothing but carbs, and then adding to them to see how you react. This will probably take a while to figure it all out but its worth it.[/quote]

that’s interesting but basically you are just doing a clean refeed. when you were mixing carbs with fats and protein, was it clean foods or stuff like pizza, etc?

i too can’t take a full day of carbs when i get to the 500-600-650gram range it’s pretty much when the tank is full for the day. i guess it just depends on how sensitive you are to carbs. ill tell you this though, im trying to drop weight with this diet and i’m almost done with my first two week session with no carbs and i feel absolutley fine, maybe better then normal.

however, i will enjoy pigging out at the resturant my mom wants to go to for mother’s day :smiley:

Thanks guys,
I have been getting worried about fat gain over the last couple weeks. Guess we all get like that during a bulk. So I dropped the carb intake last weekend by a little bit, and this lost a lb over the week, and didnt measure any bigger anywhere! In fact lost in the midsection AND in the arms
:frowning: I think this weekend will be back to a higher bulk…I want more muscle!!!

[quote]qbawler311 wrote:
I have been on the AD for three days now everything is going good. People have been telling me that this diet will raise my Cholesterol levels and if on it long term will put me in a higher risk of heart related problems? Can anyone point me to information proving or disproving these accusations?[/quote]

Congratulations on your first three days. As far as “people” telling you that you will raise your cholesterol levels just by being on the AD, that is a matter of what and how much you eat. “People” normally say this when you tell them “Hey guys guess what, I am going on this diet where all you eat is protein and FAT.” Uh-oh alarms are sounding in their heads. You just told them that you are going to be eating the dreaded FAT! Seriously though, there are people on so-called normal diets that have high cholesterol and a higher risk of heart related problems so it is not the AD that is the cause. The point is, there is a proper way of being on the AD. With the increased consumption of fat on the diet, you need to be SURE to get and increase your unsaturated fats,keep your saturated fats in check, and eliminate any trans fats.

Also try to get your fiber(at least 25-30g). For references you can check out FISH OIL by Joseph Maroon(doctor) and Jeff Bost and THE CHOLESTEROL MYTHS by Dr. Ravnskov. Hope this helps and good luck.

Do any of you on the cutting phase have issues with plateaus at all? Just wondering if the AD is any better than regular 40/40/20 regarding that…

I’ve been on the AD for just over 3 months now, been bulking and now am reducing carbs for my cut… im on 3000 this week…have been going down 500 at a time from 4500, not sure if i should drop to 2500 next week or if i should do the 2750ish???

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
BrotherO wrote:
Just out of interest, what amounts of calories are you guys eating for cutting 1-2lbs pw…and whats your weight?

Started at 215. Down to 205 after 9 weeks (with deliberately no weight loss the first two to three weeks.) I “zig zag” from 1900 cals (on Sunday) up to 2800 calories with an average weekly consumption (including carb-up day) of 2700 cals. If you take away the carb-up day (usually 4,000 - 4,500 cals), I average closer to 2600.

YMMV.[/quote]

More and more I’m finding that the weekely caloric total is much more important than the daily. Zig-zagging is also more fun.

[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
More and more I’m finding that the weekely caloric total is much more important than the daily. Zig-zagging is also more fun.
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I’d even go so far as to say that my monthly total tells me more about what’s happening -or about to happen -than a day to day monitoring.

Fitday.com is great for this.

For instance, whether I’m trying to cut or gain, I really don’t see much progress either way until my average over the past month begins to increase or decrease (by whatever amount I’ve decided).

They say that body comp is not a linear process…But I think it is -it’s just a longer line than most figure on -that’s all.

:wink:

peace

WHat are most ppls carb up days looking like latly?

I know that more people have been on the diet and ussally carb up changes… Most ppls 1st carb up are ussally non stop junk… Now i ussally see a trend in healthier carbs …

[quote]Makaveli077 wrote:
WHat are most ppls carb up days looking like latly?

I know that more people have been on the diet and ussally carb up changes… Most ppls 1st carb up are ussally non stop junk… Now i ussally see a trend in healthier carbs …

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This was discussed the past two pages back.

Had a rather small one, and rather clean, this past weekend, and feeling great now, afterwards. Gonna try to keep it clean and short ( ± 12 hours ) for the coming few weeks…

Also, like Il Cazzo said, zigzagging calories is where it is. Seems to have hit my sweet spot. Lifting heavy, making progress, feeling better, looking bigger and leaner. This week, I got a lot of chicken breast to grill, so there’s more room for the healthier fats.

What do you guys think about Biotest Surge for recovery after your last workout taken right before the carb-up? Or is it better to stay away from whey protein and head right to the carbs ?

[quote]josh_67 wrote:
What do you guys think about Biotest Surge for recovery after your last workout taken right before the carb-up? [/quote]

It’s a perfect way to begin you carb-up.

Page 2? What the fuck?

Where’s everybody at? I’m down 16 lbs. after 6 weeks of dieting. Been on AD for 5 or 6 months. Never looking back.

Right now, I’m doing 4 days of 2700 cals and heavy weight training, 1 day of CHO up and 5000-6000 cals, and 2 days of 1200 cals and pretty much doing nothing but working.

Its perfect for me because if it’s only 2 days and I don’t have anything to do, I can handle 1200 cals. 2700 on the AD doesn’t even seem like dieting and the big CHO is fun, but after a day, it’s enough for me. All that, and strength is always maintaining or growing.

Livin the AD dream, baby.

I’m thinking about doing a 1-day carb-up cycle every other week. Since I’m just trying to retain lean mass and lose fat quickly, I think this may be the way to go. Have any others tried this ?

[quote]josh_67 wrote:
I’m thinking about doing a 1-day carb-up cycle every other week. Since I’m just trying to retain lean mass and lose fat quickly, I think this may be the way to go. Have any others tried this ? [/quote]

This has been discussed repeatedly. Please do some homework and read the thread. Long story short: Try it and see.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
josh_67 wrote:
I’m thinking about doing a 1-day carb-up cycle every other week. Since I’m just trying to retain lean mass and lose fat quickly, I think this may be the way to go. Have any others tried this ?

This has been discussed repeatedly. Please do some homework and read the thread. Long story short: Try it and see.[/quote]

questions shouldnt be asked anymore. I believe that its very possible that every aspect has been covered…so basically now i think all that can be talk about now is exactly what the title of the forum says" the anabolic EXPERIENCE"

Well … I crashed two days in a row. Switched up training last week to more upper/lower-split, maybe that has something to do with it. Eating about maintenance…

But really, yesterday and the day before (yesterday: off, day before: training) around 7PM/after training, I got really tired, sluggish, sore all over.

Seems like a dip because on monday I had a great time doing a lot of deadlifting. Maybe they came back with a vengeance and kicked my CNS in the butt…

Feeling okay today. Gonna have some heavy leg work after work, and then start a reasonably clean carb up with a huge ass pizza … tomorrow mostly brown rice & fruit…

[quote]LVZzed wrote:
Well … I crashed two days in a row. Switched up training last week to more upper/lower-split, maybe that has something to do with it. Eating about maintenance…

But really, yesterday and the day before (yesterday: off, day before: training) around 7PM/after training, I got really tired, sluggish, sore all over.

Seems like a dip because on monday I had a great time doing a lot of deadlifting. Maybe they came back with a vengeance and kicked my CNS in the butt…

Feeling okay today. Gonna have some heavy leg work after work, and then start a reasonably clean carb up with a huge ass pizza … tomorrow mostly brown rice & fruit…[/quote]

same happened to me wednesday i was doing dead singles and low and behold thursday my glutes burn like woah…but hey it was all worth it new PR…hell yea
Thanks AD

Well, another mediocre workout just finished.

Idunno if my body is handling the splits too well, and I seem to have gained some weight … the bad kind, too. I’m willing to gain though, but the ratio of fat vs muscle seems too much off. Been cleaning up my diet though. More good veggies ( broccoli all the way! ) and more good fats of the unsaturated kind, as well as better timed meals.

Maybe I need a while off training, have some time off to consider a few pathways, possibilities, …

Maybe finally go at it with a more solid plan (trainingwise)? Add some more cardio to keep the fat at bay? ( I cut back on that the last few months as I got busier ( more work, new girlfriend,…) )…

Confused …

[quote]LVZzed wrote:
Well, another mediocre workout just finished.

Idunno if my body is handling the splits too well, and I seem to have gained some weight … the bad kind, too. I’m willing to gain though, but the ratio of fat vs muscle seems too much off. Been cleaning up my diet though. More good veggies ( broccoli all the way! ) and more good fats of the unsaturated kind, as well as better timed meals.

Maybe I need a while off training, have some time off to consider a few pathways, possibilities, …

Maybe finally go at it with a more solid plan (trainingwise)? Add some more cardio to keep the fat at bay? ( I cut back on that the last few months as I got busier ( more work, new girlfriend,…) )…

Confused …[/quote]

My training has been pretty good lately, but with things being busier at work, I keep forgetting to take my fish oil. I usually take 20 caps a day and haven’t had any joint problems in about 6 months. Lately, I’ve been lucky to get 6 caps in on some days and my joints are flaring up. I can definately feel the run-down state setting in.

I’m considering taking a week off next week. It’s been 3 months since I’ve had one. I sometimes go up to 6 months without one, as I’m kind of an obsessive personality. If I do take the week off, I don’t know what I’ll do diet wise.

I’m afraid that if I eat the same way I have (losing 2-3lbs a week), it won’t be all fat this time. Maybe it’s time to take a week at maintenance and move back my weight loss goals another week until after the 4th of July.
Lots of rambling and incoherant typing, but I just wanted you to know that you aren’t alone in your being kind of off.