My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

Nutrition
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[quote]Black Flag wrote:
Have any of you guys got real cut on this diet, like 6 or 7 percent bodyfat? After wrestling I added twenty five good pounds, but I’ve went from “the most cut six pack in the school” to a four pack with a semi flabby lower stomach. just wondering if the AD could get me back to my “former status”[/quote]

I am trying to cut down lower-than-ever but rather using the Radical Diet which is a low-calorie version of the beloved AD.
That might be an option.

On that note, this is week two and I’m losing weight yeah, but I think I’ll up my calories for a week next week - to have an anabolic peak, recuperate a bit - and then lower them again. Cycle between the AD and the RD, that sounds cool. Next week is a week off work so I’ll have some more time to train, to maximize the potential of the upped calories.

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[quote]LVZzed wrote:
Black Flag wrote:
Have any of you guys got real cut on this diet, like 6 or 7 percent bodyfat? After wrestling I added twenty five good pounds, but I’ve went from “the most cut six pack in the school” to a four pack with a semi flabby lower stomach. just wondering if the AD could get me back to my “former status”

I am trying to cut down lower-than-ever but rather using the Radical Diet which is a low-calorie version of the beloved AD.
That might be an option.

On that note, this is week two and I’m losing weight yeah, but I think I’ll up my calories for a week next week - to have an anabolic peak, recuperate a bit - and then lower them again. Cycle between the AD and the RD, that sounds cool. Next week is a week off work so I’ll have some more time to train, to maximize the potential of the upped calories.

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Good idea. I think most people miss the part of the AD book where doc says to vary calories greatly from day to day.

For me, I do something like this:

Let’s say my calorie level for a loss is 2,400/day. I multiply that by 7days = 16,800 for the week.

Now, I’ll vary my intake over the week. Sunday and Thursday are my off days so, starting with sunday it might look like this - 1700, 2350, 2400, 2380, 1900, 2500, 3100 = 16,380.

Wich is even less than my weekly total if I stayed at 2400 everyday. Plus, friday and saturday are higher calorie days, so it’s a bit of a zig-zag. I lose fat this way, get to eat fairly normally on the weekend, and my strenght is always moving up.

Note that the only hard day is thursday. Sunday’s are easy because I do little more than walk the dog and watch sports or read, so I’m never hungry.

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Good idea. I think most people miss the part of the AD book where doc says to vary calories greatly from day to day.

For me, I do something like this:

Let’s say my calorie level for a loss is 2,400/day. I multiply that by 7days = 16,800 for the week.

Now, I’ll vary my intake over the week. Sunday and Thursday are my off days so, starting with sunday it might look like this - 1700, 2350, 2400, 2380, 1900, 2500, 3100 = 16,380.

Which is even less than my weekly total if I stayed at 2400 everyday. Plus, friday and saturday are higher calorie days, so it’s a bit of a zig-zag. I lose fat this way, get to eat fairly normally on the weekend, and my strenght is always moving up.

Note that the only hard day is thursday. Sunday’s are easy because I do little more than walk the dog and watch sports or read, so I’m never hungry.

[/quote]

Nice strategy Cazz

:wink:

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Good idea. I think most people miss the part of the AD book where doc says to vary calories greatly from day to day.

For me, I do something like this:

Let’s say my calorie level for a loss is 2,400/day. I multiply that by 7days = 16,800 for the week.

Now, I’ll vary my intake over the week. Sunday and Thursday are my off days so, starting with sunday it might look like this - 1700, 2350, 2400, 2380, 1900, 2500, 3100 = 16,380.

Wich is even less than my weekly total if I stayed at 2400 everyday. Plus, friday and saturday are higher calorie days, so it’s a bit of a zig-zag. I lose fat this way, get to eat fairly normally on the weekend, and my strenght is always moving up.

Note that the only hard day is thursday. Sunday’s are easy because I do little more than walk the dog and watch sports or read, so I’m never hungry.
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Yeah, “keeping the body guessing” is indeed a good thing. I need to incorporate that zig-zagging some more.

One additional question is, what days should be higher in calories? The day after a heavy workout - for recuperation and building muscle? What about the day itself? If I eat too little, I feel a little ‘off’ in the weightroom…
Or, have most of my calories after working out? I train at night though, so that may be an issue …

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Popiapang, how we eat should IMPROVE our health (lower the risk for diabetes, cancer, heart attack, stroke and provide us with vitamins, minerals and the energy we need to be active and alert). Diet is a means to an end. So if you temporarily have to put things on hold while you correct your digestive issues – if that ends up being your only option – the Anabolic Diet will be here waiting for you when you’re ready to get started again.

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[quote]LVZzed wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
Good idea. I think most people miss the part of the AD book where doc says to vary calories greatly from day to day.

For me, I do something like this:

Let’s say my calorie level for a loss is 2,400/day. I multiply that by 7days = 16,800 for the week.

Now, I’ll vary my intake over the week. Sunday and Thursday are my off days so, starting with sunday it might look like this - 1700, 2350, 2400, 2380, 1900, 2500, 3100 = 16,380.

Wich is even less than my weekly total if I stayed at 2400 everyday. Plus, friday and saturday are higher calorie days, so it’s a bit of a zig-zag. I lose fat this way, get to eat fairly normally on the weekend, and my strenght is always moving up.

Note that the only hard day is thursday. Sunday’s are easy because I do little more than walk the dog and watch sports or read, so I’m never hungry.

Yeah, “keeping the body guessing” is indeed a good thing. I need to incorporate that zig-zagging some more.

One additional question is, what days should be higher in calories? The day after a heavy workout - for recuperation and building muscle? What about the day itself? If I eat too little, I feel a little ‘off’ in the weightroom…
Or, have most of my calories after working out? I train at night though, so that may be an issue …

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It’s prob. individual. For me, I go out friday night and saturday night. It’s just easier to be able to eat more and not be at a restruant asking for boiled chicken and steamed rice (or whatever other bullshit people do).

Now, I do lift on both friday and saturday. I usually do some form of sprinting on saturday also.

Experiment and see what works best.

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on the RD can you scarf down veggies without counting them???

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
It’s prob. individual. For me, I go out friday night and saturday night. It’s just easier to be able to eat more and not be at a restruant asking for boiled chicken and steamed rice (or whatever other bullshit people do).[/quote]

Same here. On Friday I usually have a low-carb dinner that’s large enough that no one knows the difference. On Saturday I eat carbs. On Sunday I hike in the a.m. and then sit on my ass and read books all day; so low-cals and carbs on Sunday are cool.

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I broke DOWN…
Well i was typing my term paper and was so frustrated. Kept eating keto food and couldnt get the full feeling and could concentrate on the material. Seen a bag of peanut m&ms and killed them. As well as other candys and chips… wow im so dissapointed this never happened lol…

Last time i carbed up was last friday, only for 12 hours. I ate keto all day untill 11 at night were i just killed it… There goes the weekend carb up , or maybe i should use this as a mid week carb up?

Anyways $#@# up… Im mad … should i still carb up this weekend like on saturday? or should i just carb up tomarrow and keto it up the rest of the week?

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I broke DOWN…
Well i was typing my term paper and was so frustrated. Kept eating keto food and couldnt get the full feeling and could concentrate on the material. Seen a bag of peanut m&ms and killed them. As well as other candys and chips… wow im so dissapointed this never happened lol…

Last time i carbed up was last friday, only for 12 hours. I ate keto all day untill 11 at night were i just killed it… There goes the weekend carb up , or maybe i should use this as a mid week carb up?

Anyways $#@# up… Im mad … should i still carb up this weekend like on saturday? or should i just carb up tomarrow and keto it up the rest of the week?[/quote]

WTF?

ps steak and eggs.

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
It’s prob. individual. For me, I go out friday night and saturday night. It’s just easier to be able to eat more and not be at a restruant asking for boiled chicken and steamed rice (or whatever other bullshit people do).

Now, I do lift on both friday and saturday. I usually do some form of sprinting on saturday also.

Experiment and see what works best.
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Well I KNOW I need to eat well before training or I’ll feel weak-ish, and perhaps right after a lot too to maximize the recuperation and all. I think I should eat a lot less on off days ( on which I sometimes throw in some cardio of sorts … )

Also, I’ve been doing ‘one day’ carb ups since I got on a roll with the AD …

I usually have a workout friday night after work, then start carbing up - later that night I can go and have a drink, I carb up on saturday, and still have drinks allowed that night… :slight_smile:

Depending on how I feel I do some ‘free’ lifting on saturday, really ‘what I feel like’ and experience the pump :slight_smile:
And sunday usually is a training day also - but then I’m back to low-carb…

Feels good to be experimenting though. That’s really cool about the diet.

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Is it possible to down a Surge for a workout during the no-carb days? Is this a contradiction which will screw up the Anabolic Diet?

Can I only have Surge on the carb load days?

Wondering…

funmetal

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[quote]funmetal wrote:
Is it possible to down a Surge for a workout during the no-carb days? Is this a contradiction which will screw up the Anabolic Diet?

Can I only have Surge on the carb load days?

Wondering…

funmetal[/quote]

Well, if it’s a no carb day, then no Surge. If, however, you wanted to experiment with a Surge PWO and did the anabolic diet otherwise, then try it. You’ll prob. have to shorten the weekend carb-ups tho. In one of his books, the Doc talks about some people being able to take in 60-100carbs peri-workout while on the diet.

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[quote]funmetal wrote:
Is it possible to down a Surge for a workout during the no-carb days? Is this a contradiction which will screw up the Anabolic Diet?

Can I only have Surge on the carb load days?

Wondering…[/quote]

I have been doing that. If anything, it has helped me lose fat, as I’m able to train harder. I have a really hard time training in a glycogen depleted state. (Not an issue of a gut check, it’s an issue of juice. Without muscle glycogen, my muscles literally won’t contract.)

This only amounts to 100 or 200 grams of carbs each week.

Try it out and see what works best for you. If I could train without the carbs, I would. Since I can’t, I made adjustments.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
I have been doing that. If anything, it has helped me lose fat, as I’m able to train harder. I have a really hard time training in a glycogen depleted state. (Not an issue of a gut check, it’s an issue of juice. Without muscle glycogen, my muscles literally won’t contract.)
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Same here. I feel so lifeless and energyless and I rather have a shorter weekend carbload of say 12 hours or none at all than to not have carbs in my PWO. I feel bad like really emotionally bad if having carbs outside this metabolic window. It’s as if the carbs are out to get me :slight_smile: I feel revoltingly bad downing simple sugars unless from fruit like apples or oranges, just to compare them :slight_smile:

Thanks,

funmetal

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alright ill ask again…can i eat my damn veggies without care while on the radical diet? i miss my spinach and broccoli

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Re: Radical diet.

At what point did the message “don’t count the carbs that come from fiber in vegetables” become “don’t count vegetables”?

Re: other stuff
This is a long thread, and I’ve finally read it all. Good stuff.
I certainly think the length of this thread is a testament to the people who are interested with this type of eating.

I especially enjoyed the link to the interview with Cassandra Forsythe about fat metabolism. Very interesting, especially the study that she helped on that pitted the ADA guidelines vs. a low carb ketogenic diet in formerly inactive people who trained with weights.

I’m giving this a go. Currently on day 10 of the 12 day induction, shooting for an eventual, sustainable fat loss down to 10%.

I’ve read through di Pasquale’s Metabolic diet and Rob Faigin’s NHE and found them both convincing.
However, I think the jury’s still out with the TKD vs. CKD, especially with how I might react. Time to experiment and see.

But first… two or three months of the “vanilla diet” so I know what the hell I’m doing.

Dan “What the hell AM I doing?” McVicker

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[quote]funmetal wrote:
Is it possible to down a Surge for a workout during the no-carb days? Is this a contradiction which will screw up the Anabolic Diet?

Can I only have Surge on the carb load days?

Wondering…

funmetal[/quote]

I’ve found, for me at least, that being 8 months in and definitely fully adapted I can tolerate more carbs on non load days. I probably get 60g or a bit more. Also, some may disagree with this, but I don’t worry about trying to get depleted anymore. As long as I stay adapted and don’t get enough carbs to start getting fat I’m good.

I also hit about 50 or so grams immediately post workout for a little acute replenishment. All this adds up to keeping the glycogen stores from draining, but not jeopardizing my adapted state or winding up with unnecessary fat.

I wouldn’t even think about this unless you are at least a few months in however and have a firm grip on how things are going.

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Hey guys,

I remember reading back towards the beginning of this thread something that DH said that I wanted to clarify. He said, once adapted, you can eat as much brocoli as you want and not have to worry about including them into your carb count total.

My question is, how long should it take to get adapted to the point where that is possible? This was also touched upon in Rob Faigin’s NHE, and he said that this could be done after the initial 7 day metabolic shift period, so I’m guessing in AD terms, it would be possible after the initial 12 day break in period, but I dont want to assume since I’m only going into my 3rd carb up and dont want to end up doing anything foolish without checking with people wiser than myself.

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[quote]Sayjin wrote:
Hey guys,

I remember reading back towards the beginning of this thread something that DH said that I wanted to clarify. He said, once adapted, you can eat as much brocoli as you want and not have to worry about including them into your carb count total.

My question is, how long should it take to get adapted to the point where that is possible? This was also touched upon in Rob Faigin’s NHE, and he said that this could be done after the initial 7 day metabolic shift period, so I’m guessing in AD terms, it would be possible after the initial 12 day break in period, but I dont want to assume since I’m only going into my 3rd carb up and dont want to end up doing anything foolish without checking with people wiser than myself.[/quote]

I’m probably not wiser than you, but unless you’re putting 5 pounds of broccoli away per day, I wouldn’t worry about it.

I’ve never ever counted broccoli and spinach (and most other vegetables) and have had good success on this eating plan.