[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
<<< Caffeine is a powerful ally…when used wisely. Prior to going on the VD, I slowly decreased my coffee intake going from sometimes 6cups per day to 12oz of reg coffee or 6oz of espresso. I also drastically decreased my amount of cream and splenda. I ended up with a tsp of cream and one splenda…if you do it slowly, you wont notice much…
So, I’ve found that a good espresso aboot an hour before a workout not only wakes me up but seems to aid in fat loss.
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I’m gonna second this. My favorite is opening a few bags of green tea into the coffee maker with coffee and brew that up. A big cup in the morning and sip all day. Aside from energy and fat burning also a powerful anti oxidant drink. BTW, I hate hot drinks, I drink this over ice.
[quote]industrialplaid wrote:
I lift first thing in the morning before work, and am trying to figure out how to eat around that. DiPasquale recommends not eating before lifting because he claims that digestion will take energy away from working out. This is contrary to almost all the other information on T-Nation, and I’d be curious to hear some thoughts on this.
I have been working out on an empty stomach for the last couple of weeks, and haven’t really noticed much of a difference from before when I would use whey/gatorade shakes during the workout.
It seems like I feel less energetic, but I still have all the energy I need - if that makes sense.[/quote]
IP…
In my own experience I’ve never noticed a difference in performance eating prior to exercise or not - even back in the day of high carbs and BB workouts (shit, has it really been almost 15 years??). I think the idea of “prefueling” a workout is a mindfuck. I would agree that those of us who are classic ecto-morphs with super high metabolisms may feel better eating prior to a workout, and only then if they’re burning sugar for fuel.
What I have noticed from various training events in the Army is that the one-day and two-day prior nutrition is important. Try this to prove it to yourself: eat a reduced calorie diet for one or two days prior to an intense event and see how that event plays out. Then, do it again only this time eat or drink a pre-event meal. Then, eat normally and sans the pre-event nutrition. Finally, eat normally and intake prior to the event.
What you’ll probably see is that you perform like shit without proper nutrition 24-48hrs prior, whether or not you pre-eat; you’ll perform much better when well fed coming into an event, but that there is not much difference whether or not you eat just prior.
My guess is that those who feel they get something from a pre-workout snack are lacking in calories from days ago. Add to all of this our shared fat-fueling mode, and you certainly can train super hard without a pre-meal. Take Il Cazzo’s advice and trade your whey for an espresso (not to be confused with “expresso”, for all the non-Italians) about an hour prior and watch both your performance and fat burn ignite!
And I would add broccoli rabe to the vegetable list. Did I mention how delicious sausage and peppers can be? Lots of O-oil and basil, please.
[quote]sifuinkorea wrote:
My guess is that those who feel they get something from a pre-workout snack are lacking in calories from days ago. Add to all of this our shared fat-fueling mode, and you certainly can train super hard without a pre-meal. Take Il Cazzo’s advice and trade your whey for an espresso (not to be confused with “expresso”, for all the non-Italians) about an hour prior and watch both your performance and fat burn ignite!
And I would add broccoli rabe to the vegetable list. Did I mention how delicious sausage and peppers can be? Lots of O-oil and basil, please.
-SK
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Thanks for the reply, SF. Your way of thinking seems to cohere very tightly with my experience. I also find that when I’m low-carb I tend to have more energy in the morning as well. I never get shaky even when I’m extremely hungry, and that shakiness is precisely why I keep trying to find alternatives to high-carb bulking diets.
I, too, add veggies into almost everything I eat. One AD food that hardly anyone mentions - mushrooms. They are great in omelettes, on salads, in burgers. And what they hell are they? No carbs, not a plant, not an animal. For some reason this makes them more fun to eat.
Made it through the induction with 0 problems, and right now I’m enjoying a big bowl of oatmeal and some apples.
[quote]industrialplaid wrote:
sifuinkorea wrote:
My guess is that those who feel they get something from a pre-workout snack are lacking in calories from days ago. Add to all of this our shared fat-fueling mode, and you certainly can train super hard without a pre-meal. Take Il Cazzo’s advice and trade your whey for an espresso (not to be confused with “expresso”, for all the non-Italians) about an hour prior and watch both your performance and fat burn ignite!
And I would add broccoli rabe to the vegetable list. Did I mention how delicious sausage and peppers can be? Lots of O-oil and basil, please.
-SK
Thanks for the reply, SF. Your way of thinking seems to cohere very tightly with my experience. I also find that when I’m low-carb I tend to have more energy in the morning as well. I never get shaky even when I’m extremely hungry, and that shakiness is precisely why I keep trying to find alternatives to high-carb bulking diets.
I, too, add veggies into almost everything I eat. One AD food that hardly anyone mentions - mushrooms. They are great in omelettes, on salads, in burgers. And what they hell are they? No carbs, not a plant, not an animal. For some reason this makes them more fun to eat.
Made it through the induction with 0 problems, and right now I’m enjoying a big bowl of oatmeal and some apples.[/quote]
1st carb load… feeling… so… sleepy…
Let us know what you eat all weekend and how you feel, man.
[I, too, add veggies into almost everything I eat. One AD food that hardly anyone mentions - mushrooms. They are great in omelettes, on salads, in burgers. And what they hell are they? No carbs, not a plant, not an animal. For some reason this makes them more fun to eat.
Made it through the induction with 0 problems, and right now I’m enjoying a big bowl of oatmeal and some apples.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure mushrooms have carbs, maybe not a great deal, but more than say broccoli.
[quote]YoungGunner wrote:
[I, too, add veggies into almost everything I eat. One AD food that hardly anyone mentions - mushrooms. They are great in omelettes, on salads, in burgers. And what they hell are they? No carbs, not a plant, not an animal. For some reason this makes them more fun to eat.
Made it through the induction with 0 problems, and right now I’m enjoying a big bowl of oatmeal and some apples.
I’m pretty sure mushrooms have carbs, maybe not a great deal, but more than say broccoli.
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I don’t know if you were joking or not, but if you were not joking, mushrooms are a fungus.
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
YoungGunner wrote:
[I, too, add veggies into almost everything I eat. One AD food that hardly anyone mentions - mushrooms. They are great in omelettes, on salads, in burgers. And what they hell are they? No carbs, not a plant, not an animal. For some reason this makes them more fun to eat.
I don’t know if you were joking or not, but if you were not joking, mushrooms are a fungus.[/quote]
Today has been an ad’ers dream. The first part of the day was typical for me: lots of eggs, bacon, cheese, veggies, and hamburger. But once I got to work, it has been ON. Big ol slab of Buffalo Prime Rib, some salami and monterrey jack. And to top it off, the was a big spread in the bar later with beef prime rib, swiss, cheddar, brie, and bleu cheeses. I love the ad and I love my job.
[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
YoungGunner wrote:
[I, too, add veggies into almost everything I eat. One AD food that hardly anyone mentions - mushrooms. They are great in omelettes, on salads, in burgers. And what they hell are they? No carbs, not a plant, not an animal. For some reason this makes them more fun to eat.
Made it through the induction with 0 problems, and right now I’m enjoying a big bowl of oatmeal and some apples.
I’m pretty sure mushrooms have carbs, maybe not a great deal, but more than say broccoli.
I don’t know if you were joking or not, but if you were not joking, mushrooms are a fungus.[/quote]
I was joking. And, at least according to fitday, mushrooms have about as many carbs in them as the spinach I eat, so I can’t imagine it would affect your blood sugar at any level.
My first carb up was yesterday, so probably not at all indicative of future carb ups. I ate only oatmeal and apples during the day, just to see what would happen. After the third bowl of oats I started to feel a little bloated (way too much fiber I think). Energy wise I was fine - not tired or wired.
Of course, after about 10 I drank way too much, but what’re you gonna do.
[quote]industrialplaid wrote:
My first carb up was yesterday, so probably not at all indicative of future carb ups. I ate only oatmeal and apples during the day, just to see what would happen. After the third bowl of oats I started to feel a little bloated (way too much fiber I think). Energy wise I was fine - not tired or wired.
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Definitely an issue I have with multiple servings of oatmeal, something I also attribute to the insoluble fiber content. For that reason, I limit my oatmeal to breakfast and switch thereafter to yams and sweet potatoes nuked in the microwave. You’ll find yourself feeling considerably less bloated, I promise.
[quote]ovalpline wrote:
industrialplaid wrote:
My first carb up was yesterday, so probably not at all indicative of future carb ups. I ate only oatmeal and apples during the day, just to see what would happen. After the third bowl of oats I started to feel a little bloated (way too much fiber I think). Energy wise I was fine - not tired or wired.
Definitely an issue I have with multiple servings of oatmeal, something I also attribute to the insoluble fiber content. For that reason, I limit my oatmeal to breakfast and switch thereafter to yams and sweet potatoes nuked in the microwave. You’ll find yourself feeling considerably less bloated, I promise.
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I’ll have to try that this weekend. I felt really great all morning then started to feel not-so-great late in the day. I’m wondering if it might be better to try to get some carbs in my system from sources that aren’t as ‘clean’ so that I’m not getting quite so much insoluble fiber. All those apples and oats move through you quick.
So I’m finding it hard to keep my fat intake at around 60%. I calculate with fitday and since adding three tbls of fish oil I’m up around 67%. Is this bad?
Is anyone else having this problem. I eat alot of ground turkey which is pretty low in fat but I thought everyone was eating steak and ground beef, so it must be hard to keep fat at 60?
[quote]dunbar wrote:
So I’m finding it hard to keep my fat intake at around 60%. I calculate with fitday and since adding three tbls of fish oil I’m up around 67%. Is this bad?
Is anyone else having this problem. I eat alot of ground turkey which is pretty low in fat but I thought everyone was eating steak and ground beef, so it must be hard to keep fat at 60?[/quote]
yo just throw in some bacon cheese and eggs 1-3 times a day and no problemo
[quote]dunbar wrote:
So I’m finding it hard to keep my fat intake at around 60%. I calculate with fitday and since adding three tbls of fish oil I’m up around 67%. Is this bad?
Is anyone else having this problem. I eat alot of ground turkey which is pretty low in fat but I thought everyone was eating steak and ground beef, so it must be hard to keep fat at 60?[/quote]
Personally, I like to make a protein shake (about 270g of Protein) and cheese meal…this helps keep the fat down a lot too.
Thanks guys. Yeah, protein shakes help alot, I was out of protein powder for the last week so that was part of the problem. But I’m thinking of adding some chicken or 99% fat free ground turkey to meals where I have meat because the three tbls of fish oil is still upping my fat percentage.
Is 65% ok?
[quote]dunbar wrote:
Thanks guys. Yeah, protein shakes help alot, I was out of protein powder for the last week so that was part of the problem. But I’m thinking of adding some chicken or 99% fat free ground turkey to meals where I have meat because the three tbls of fish oil is still upping my fat percentage.
Is 65% ok? [/quote]
You’re making it too difficult (and expensive) for yourself, my man. Ground beef at 20% fat is approximately 59% fat, 41% protein (grilled)… and it’s cheap as hell. All the info on nutrition in beef that you’ll ever need can be found here: http://www.txbeef.org/nutrition.php3.
