[quote]futuredave wrote:
Pauli D wrote:
EAT! Eat, my good man, EAT!
I’m on it. Thanks.
Question to the diet vets:
Why a priming phase is so important?
It’s hard to believe that 2 months from now my body will know or care whether I primed for two weeks or one at the start of the diet.
What’s the deal with that? And would it defeat the whole purpose just to start a carb up this weekend instead of next. Or on July 4th? lol[/quote]
futuredave,
From what I understand, the two week break in phase forces your body to work through a ketogenic state to one where fats are now metabolised as your primary fuel source. This is what we mean by fully fat adapted. There’s a whole discussion earlier in the thread on ketones and the AD . . .
Keeping your fat levels high through the initial phase signals to your body that it will in fact be getting an ample suply through diet, which allows your body to use it as a primary fuel source, while realising that CHOs will be very limited, leading to a higher probability of storage in the liver and muscle bellies. The reason for the 12 day length is because if you were simply going to jump into the 5/2 day split, your body would not necessarily have the time to make that realisation and adjust itself accordingly.
This impacts you 2 months down the road because it won’t be confused between two unique fuel sources (fat and CHOs) flipping around every 5/2 days.
It is true that some people adjust quickly, but the 12 days ensures that all people following the AD do make that shift. My recommendation, do the 12 days just in case.
Hope that helps but if anyone has additional context please do pipe in.
[quote]futuredave wrote:
Pauli D wrote:
EAT! Eat, my good man, EAT!
I’m on it. Thanks.
Question to the diet vets:
Why a priming phase is so important?
It’s hard to believe that 2 months from now my body will know or care whether I primed for two weeks or one at the start of the diet.
What’s the deal with that? And would it defeat the whole purpose just to start a carb up this weekend instead of next. Or on July 4th? lol[/quote]
Well…I can add a little here -but I’m sure some of the other TRUE vets are better suited to address your query.
You CAN, according to Dr. DiPas, begin the AD with the 5-on 2-off schedule that you’ll get to after the initial 12 day break-in phase. Studies have shown that your body will catch-on -for lack of a better term -eventually.
BUT, and here’s the big but…BUT, you’ll experience more success, more rapidly if you bite the proverbial bullet and put in the 12 days as recommended.
In a nutshell -you stand a better chance of becoming fat-adapted with less hassles if you do the 12 day regimine. But the AD will work by beginning with the 5 - 2 regimine.
It’s up to you.
1 question to all the vets ,dh, ilcazzo and our new experts sasha, pauli d and also house of altas…can we eat boneless pork on low carb day s ?
in india goat meat is eaten a lot but is expensive beef is very cheap but being a hindu if i bring that home my dad will kick me out of he house and my cook will also not cook it. pork is cheap here so was planning to try that ofcourse if y ou guys are ok with it pls …help me .
[quote]raviraj wrote:
1 question to all the vets ,dh, ilcazzo and our new experts sasha, pauli d and also house of altas…can we eat boneless pork on low carb day s ?
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I must say that I’m very excited to see so many people following this lifestyle. I’m somewhat of an outcast in my circles i guess. Like i’ve said before, I’ve been living this way for about 8 years and I LOVE IT!!! I’ve been focusing on being more of an “athlete” lately and not just a bodybuilder.
I manipulated my calories and protein levels to suit this goal and have seen great results. I recently ran into some people I hadn’t seen in a year. The first reaction was that I look great and that I had lost some wieght. Well, the last time they saw me I was 195. I now wiegh 197.
I’ve leaned out quite a bit and actually gained wieght. I look better and feel better than I have in quite some time, maybe ever. The point of this rambling… for all the rookies, LISTEN TO THE VETS!!! Some of the advice may not be intuitive, but it works!!! Also remember, it takes time and some work on your part. Tweak it a bit, find what works for you.
Oh, and keep a food journal so you can actually see what you’re eating. I have food and training journals for the past eight years and it’s great to be able to go back and look at them and see what i was eating and how I was training. I also have pictures as well so I can see how I looked. Well, good luck everyone, and long live the Big Bacon Omelette at IHOP!!!
rich
[quote]raviraj wrote:
1 question to all the vets ,dh, ilcazzo and our new experts sasha, pauli d and also house of altas…can we eat boneless pork on low carb day s ?
in india goat meat is eaten a lot but is expensive beef is very cheap but being a hindu if i bring that home my dad will kick me out of he house and my cook will also not cook it. pork is cheap here so was planning to try that ofcourse if y ou guys are ok with it pls …help me .[/quote]
I personally don’t like to eat pork. I love bacon, but I don’t like the way I feel after eating it. I feel like crap and also feel bloated. If you don’t experience these side effects and love to eat it, go for it
In the AD book, the Dr. recommends against MCTs such as coconut oil, saying that because of how they’re metabolized, they actually “work against the diet in terms of muscle production and fat breakdown.” If you own the book/ebook, it’s in the “stay away from these” section, so he probably feels pretty strongly about it.
Of course, experimenting couldn’t hurt. I mean no offense with this post, so please don’t take it that way, just adding a different view to yours.
Some authors also recommend against too much fruit on carb loads, Lyle MacDonald for example (in his ultimate diet 2.0 book). But it seems a pure fruit/veg load is working for some posters, and it’s good they’ve found what seems to work. Experimenting is indeed the key!
lyle macdonald competing in the deadlift with almost a hefty 200lbs.
With all due respect, I don’t really care what he says. I’m gonna eat my fruit.[/quote]
hahaha. zing! I’m surprised to see him even deadlifting, the UD 2.0 workout for legs, if i recall, was leg presses/extensions/curls.
Power to ya on the fruit. Was just giving another view of different types of intakes… he says 50-100g of fructose may be of benefit, but too much etc etc. But i had strawberries on my waffle and blueberries are comin’ up… who cares? :>
ok …guys …got a nod for pork so i will get pork this week 1 kilo of pork is 90ruppes indian money and is 2us dollars …ok what i will do is tell the cook to boil it and then …fry it in buter wih some indian spices my god i cant wait for that …
the carb up started last night went to a restuarent we have near my home …is typical veg food indian stlye and u can eat unlimited so i planned that iam going to make a record here by eating as much as i can. started wih a youghurt dish we make here in india 2 small bowls of it …then ate 5 whole wheat torillas(we call it roti here ) then 2 rice torillas they are palm size
then there was some veg dish some indian veggies which i dont know there english names 1 veg was cottage chesse cubes in spinach gravy wih cashews then i had some rice , 1 small scoop of ice cream 2 small peices of indian sweet and 3 small bowls of sweet made of milk …
but i have to tell u guys though i planned so much i hardly could eat all tha t…in no time i was like i need to finish this its too much …i can eat as much as eggs and bacon …but really cant anymore stand this carb feast …it really gets too much for me the carbup will end today evening so just planned to go again at the buffet and try to set a record again hahah…will let u guys know what happens …
by the way iam taking 600mg ala with the carbs meals an suggesions what is the ideal time to take ala before the meals with the meals or afer the meals ? and is 600mg dose ok with every meal ? suggestions are welcome …
let me tell u guys thanx from the bottom of my heart i wasted a lot of money by paying the ditecian in my gym who gave me just brown rice whole wheat bread and museli ever meal with protien and just 3 table spoons of flaxssed oil per day for 6 months with me just losing 2 kgs in 6 months but after geting on this lifestyle and the superb information and help u guys provide has helped me to come from 94kgs to 85 kgs in 8 weeks time and the best part is enjoying all the foods which were banned for me …hats off to all the vets and all the great members who really provide invaluable help .
by the way i have stopped taking any personal training now because had a argument with the trainer and his wife the same dietican they argued that this is horrible diet and i will die of an heart attack and my lipid profiles will be dangerous i showed them my latest report which is way ahead better then what it was 6 months ago and secondly my trainer said vince gironda and all the trainers including coach poliquin christian thib chad watterbury dave braar are big fools and they dont know what they talk and all the results what coach thib has got are from steriods he says …vince gironda never ever understood what are bio-mechanics and that body drag curl and neck presses are worst excercise i told him o try them but he never …
so i told him i dont want ur services anymore i told him i have a huge thread which can support me with my diet and no need of ur training as u dont have any respect for worlds greatest trainers. so both have challenged me that i will never ever come to 10% body fat with this diet and i have accepted the challenge.
sorry for the long post just felt like sharing things with u
Dr. Dipasquale says not to go overboard on carbups anyway, since after a certain limit, it serves its purpose and carries over to fat. DH and others recommend 36hr max for carbups so if you don’t like stuffing yourself you can just eat the same amount spread over 48.
[quote]allNatural wrote:
raviraj wrote:
ok guys iam back again will tribulus terrestris help on he diet …we get that very cheap here its called gokshura here in india .
i got that from a natural food store here .the caps are 250mg per capsule if it helps how much mg dose must be taken and how many times a day ?
and what is appropriate time to take it ?
and has any 1 taken it and what were the results ?
and do we get any side effects ?
pls help on this
if you could just mail me a few pounds that’d be great. thaaannnks. do they have avena sativa for cheap too?[/quote]
thanx for replying bro yes we do get that cheap too sativa leaf extract thats cheap too …by the way where do u stay? usa? i come for my shows there i can really bring that for u and will be gift for u from me being a ad brother tribulus terrestris 250mg 60cap for 40indian ruppes =1 us dollars is so cheap because this herb is found in india ,in aurveda they use it
[quote]allNatural wrote:
raviraj wrote:
a lot, and about carbups
thanx once again -raviraj
Dr. Dipasquale says not to go overboard on carbups anyway, since after a certain limit, it serves its purpose and carries over to fat. DH and others recommend 36hr max for carbups so if you don’t like stuffing yourself you can just eat the same amount spread over 48.[/quote]
all naural bro i dont even have carbups for 36 hours i just eat 4 meals thats it had 3 already now just 1 left
1 meal - 8pm(sa)
2meal-11pm9sa)
3meal-12.30pm (sun)
4)meal -7.30pm(sun)
and is over
do u think changes are needed?
i will just write my daily food which i eat so u guys can really pinpoint where iam going wrong also the supplements i take and the routine which i follow in he gym anybody on the thread can suggest me if iam doing things right or wrong and help.
planning to start the vince gironda routine from tomoorow
mon-chest and back reps will be 6-8
tue-legs rep-6-8
wed-shoulders and arms rep6-8
thurs-off
fri-same as mon rep12-15
sat- same as tue rep12-15
sun-same as wed rep12-15
do u guys think will be good programe looking too lean out
Ok . . . lots going on here but I think that there are a couple of things we need to do to try and set you up to win with the AD.
First and foremost, going wild on the buffets should probably only happen every once in a while. Especially because your diet is so regulated throughout the week, gorging yourself will leave you bloated and full and unable to take in any more calories throughout the day. Try parcing out your meals throughout the day so you have a steady supply of nutrients coming in and you can take advantage of the increase in metabolic rate for fat loss.
Right now you are at 4 meals. I would bump that up to at least 6 if not 7 or 8. You should constantly be eating to reach your caloric requirements for the carb ups.
In terms of when to stop eating on your carb ups. For me, once I feel like my muscles feel like they are pumped (as if I were training them) I know that my carb up is over. This prevents me from “spilling over” so to speak.
In terms of the ALA use, 600 mg per meal is WAY too much. Although you’re not going to much harm in taking that much, the average lifter needs no more than 200mg per heavy carb meal. I think that guys like Hoss who are much bigger and heavier may need a little more than that.
Things also to remember on the carb ups. You still need fats on the weekends so I would suggest uping your EFA intake. Aside from the well documented benefits of EFA supplementation, us folks on the AD rely on fats as fuels and do not want to run the risk of shifting back to CHO burning because we’re starving ourselves of fats. Keep it balanced but a good dose of EFAs will also help the fat burning.
When it comes to training, it looks like a decent hypertrophy routine and will definitely help to stimulate your metabolism. One thing to keep in mind when cutting in terms of training. The goal of your training when you are in a hyper caloric state should be the prevention of muscle wastage. I would look for a routine that’s a little more focused on strength and in a lower rep range and compliment that with an HIT cardio program. This will give you the best of both worlds.
Hopefully these tips help but if you have any further questions, just shoot and we’ll try to help you out.
Oh yeah, and sign me up for some cheap Tribulus . . . I can handle those exchange rates.
thanx a million sasha as ever u have been a big time god send bonus on this thread afer disc hoss il cazzo and other vetrans and along with u paili d ,house of atlas are the future gurus who will be guiding new people joining the thread.
do u mean i must be in rep range of 5-6? and cut the 10-12rep range ?
and what is ur take on tribulus? how much i need when i must take it and how much per dose ?
with ala i will go as u sa i will now on carbups just take 200mg ever meal .
ok now abt tribulus sending that through mail will be hard for me but the best part is i travel to usa and uk and i can get that for any 1 who wants it that way we also save on dhl charges .
and i wont charge anthing from u 10 bottles for u comes as a free gift from me on behalf of all the thread because u have helped ever one uncondiionaly
if its very urgent just let me know i can send u that by dhl in that case i need ur address so i can send u .
thanx for every thing as ever .
