I too looked at MuscleMilk as a supplement option but found that the nutritional profile wasn’t the greatest for a diet of this nature. There was too much sugar per serving and although the fat profile looked great for the AD, the rest just didn’t cut it.
Now where did you read that it would send you into Metabolic purgatory? One thing that we always need to remember is that we’re shifting from being carb burners to fat burners so regular supp. talk doesn’t always make sense for us. Maybe that advice was meant for CHO burners?
Just as an FYI, Dave Barr has an absolute gem of an article that “de-bunks” a lot of the myths surrounding PWO nutrition:
There’s also some literature from Udo Erasmus on the benefits of fats post workout but for the life of me I can’t find it at the moment.
I think I’ll defer the camping question to the pros but in my opinion, for whatever that’s worth, is that this lifestyle is extremely accomodating and if you slip off it for a little, it won’t be as bad as you think. Unless you’re preparing for a show, enjoy yourself and come back with a renewed sense of dedication and energy towards the AD life.
i ve been knowen to pop a few mich ultras or aspen edge on my non carb up days and have been ok.just dont over do it ,and remeber those carbs that you drink do count towards your total for the day.your on vacation ,gotta enjoy yourself too !
Why the short carb-up?
I began my first carb-up this morning, and…Whoa!
I have to say, I’m feeling a little giddy -kinda euphoric even.
My imagination? High on oats and fruit?
I dunno…but I LIKE IT!
I feel like I could ‘leap tall bldgs in a single bound!’
Great stuff!
[quote]SashaG wrote:
Cheers all . . . I appreciate the welcome. I’m one day out from my my first carb up which will be roughly 24 hours in duration.
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The 24-hour carb up is a scheduling thing really . . . I started my 12 day induction on the Tuesday and didn’t want to run my carb up onto the Monday because of work (just in case I went into an insulin coma). It’ll also set me up for the 5 day high-fat/2 day high carb cycle moving forward.
I was thinking of starting tonight however I wanted to make sure I ran the full 12 days out to help make the switch to fat burning. I think I’m almost there as I can consistenly taste that fruity ketone taste in my mouth. I’m also a bit of an endomorph and tend to respond a little too well to carbs.
Not sure if my thinking is 100% but it makes sense to me.
Dez . . . I think I know what he/she meant by metabolic purgatory.
My guess is that because of the profile of the product, high in fat with a good chunk of carbs, your body would most likely use one as a source of energy and replenishment and move the other into fat storage. This touches a lot on what Berardi talks about in his articles and books.
Stick with a low-carb protein powder with cream and olive oil post workout . . . believe me when I say it really tastes like ice cream.
[quote]SashaG wrote:
Dez . . . I think I know what he/she meant by metabolic purgatory.
My guess is that because of the profile of the product, high in fat with a good chunk of carbs, your body would most likely use one as a source of energy and replenishment and move the other into fat storage. This touches a lot on what Berardi talks about in his articles and books.
Stick with a low-carb protein powder with cream and olive oil post workout . . . believe me when I say it really tastes like ice cream.
Long live the AD!
Sasha
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We’re trying to make insulin inert during the week. Eating muscle milk spikes your insulin levels. Insulin is a storage hormone, and its activity is something we want to avoid (mostly :)). Your carbs should all be coming from low-GI food sources (ideally :)).
I know in DiPasquale’s first iteration of the diet you can dump all your carbs into one 30g sugar blast, but that’s just stupid. It’ll suppress the mobilization of glucagon (insulin’s antagonist) and get you stuck in this weird psuedo-carb burning/psuedo-fat burning state.
The AD doesn’t rely exclusively on ketosis, but understanding the physiology of all low-carb diets and incorporating that knowledge into your practice of the AD just seems like a good idea.
If you’re concerned about PWO nutrition, supplement with a fast acting protein. I’ve seen AD-style diets that have you overload on protein (something like 2g/lb in Poliquin’s) to generate enough gluconeogenesis. It’ll keep your muscle bellies full in the absence of carbs.
You won’t net the full benefits of the fat burning potential of the AD, but the protein turnover into glucose will help maintain performance.
[quote]zdrax wrote:
SashaG wrote:
Dez . . . I think I know what he/she meant by metabolic purgatory.
My guess is that because of the profile of the product, high in fat with a good chunk of carbs, your body would most likely use one as a source of energy and replenishment and move the other into fat storage. This touches a lot on what Berardi talks about in his articles and books.
Stick with a low-carb protein powder with cream and olive oil post workout . . . believe me when I say it really tastes like ice cream.
Long live the AD!
Sasha
We’re trying to make insulin inert during the week. Eating muscle milk spikes your insulin levels. Insulin is a storage hormone, and its activity is something we want to avoid (mostly :)). Your carbs should all be coming from low-GI food sources (ideally :)).
I know in DiPasquale’s first iteration of the diet you can dump all your carbs into one 30g sugar blast, but that’s just stupid. It’ll suppress the mobilization of glucagon (insulin’s antagonist) and get you stuck in this weird psuedo-carb burning/psuedo-fat burning state.
The AD doesn’t rely exclusively on ketosis, but understanding the physiology of all low-carb diets and incorporating that knowledge into your practice of the AD just seems like a good idea.
If you’re concerned about PWO nutrition, supplement with a fast acting protein. I’ve seen AD-style diets that have you overload on protein (something like 2g/lb in Poliquin’s) to generate enough gluconeogenesis. It’ll keep your muscle bellies full in the absence of carbs.
You won’t net the full benefits of the fat burning potential of the AD, but the protein turnover into glucose will help maintain performance. [/quote]
What I was trying to say but well articulated . . . thanks zdrax . . . another great post.
thanks to everyone that jumped in on my question. i dont understand though, i thought an insulin spike after a workout could be a good thing?
and i would be very interested and very appreciative of a recipe for one of these low carb cream, oil, protein shakes that tastes like ice cream. thanks!
btw- if ive been having these muscle milks all week, have i been screwing myself, and should i therefore not carb up next weekend? ive definitely lost a good 3-4lbs of what id assume is water weight this week. thanks
[quote]dez6485 wrote:
thanks to everyone that jumped in on my question. i dont understand though, i thought an insulin spike after a workout could be a good thing?
and i would be very interested and very appreciative of a recipe for one of these low carb cream, oil, protein shakes that tastes like ice cream. thanks!
btw- if ive been having these muscle milks all week, have i been screwing myself, and should i therefore not carb up next weekend? ive definitely lost a good 3-4lbs of what id assume is water weight this week. thanks[/quote]
DEZ,
I’m not sure what to say about the carb up and would defer to the experts.
As far as a great PWO shake:
2 scoops chocolate ISO 100 Whey (Dymatize) - 1 gram of carbs per scoop (0 sugar)
2 Tablespoons Extra thick double cream
6 ice cubes
2 pinches of salt
Also, try downing 1 Tablespoon of olive oil before taking down the shake for some healthy Omega 3s.
thanks for that recipe. although, im in the minority in that apparently i am more sensative to the taste of raw protein…lets just say Surge and i dont do well together…well see how your shake goes, thanks!
[quote]SashaG wrote:
dez6485 wrote:
thanks to everyone that jumped in on my question. i dont understand though, i thought an insulin spike after a workout could be a good thing?
and i would be very interested and very appreciative of a recipe for one of these low carb cream, oil, protein shakes that tastes like ice cream. thanks!
btw- if ive been having these muscle milks all week, have i been screwing myself, and should i therefore not carb up next weekend? ive definitely lost a good 3-4lbs of what id assume is water weight this week. thanks
DEZ,
I’m not sure what to say about the carb up and would defer to the experts.
As far as a great PWO shake:
2 scoops chocolate ISO 100 Whey (Dymatize) - 1 gram of carbs per scoop (0 sugar)
2 Tablespoons Extra thick double cream
6 ice cubes
2 pinches of salt
Also, try downing 1 Tablespoon of olive oil before taking down the shake for some healthy Omega 3s.
Enjoy . . .
Sasha
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That would give you a healthy does of Omega 9’s. Olive oil is a staple for me, but it’s a poor source of O 3’s.
BUT…absolutley nothign wrong with the olive oil + shake combo…a lot of people here love it.
should i assume that im also putting some amount of water in this shake?
the olive oil im fine with, doesnt taste great taking a tbsp by itself, but whatever. the other day it had a slight burn to it, anyone else experience this? i dont recall it usually doing that in the past. thanks.
Yes, water is the primary ingredient -at least in my shakes. I always assume folks are using some sort of ‘shaker-bottle’ for these concoctions -and in that case one would begin with about 8-12 oz of water, add the protein powder, the heavy cream, the olive or flax oil, and/or ground flaxseed.
Shake that all up and enjoy!
It is rather tasty -and at least from my experience -it’s a bit easier on the ole’ constitution right after training.
I used to ingest an MRP right after training and it would sometimes feel like a real ‘gut-bomb’ went off inside me. I don’t get that bloated sensation with these ‘master-mix’ shakes on the AD.
Cheers!
[quote]dez6485 wrote:
alright…it appears as though im an idiot…
should i assume that im also putting some amount of water in this shake?
the olive oil im fine with, doesnt taste great taking a tbsp by itself, but whatever. the other day it had a slight burn to it, anyone else experience this? i dont recall it usually doing that in the past. thanks.[/quote]
-add the oil to the shake!
Pauli D huh? its funny, my best friends name is paul, and weve been “paulie D” and “matty D” since weve known each other ~going on 8 years.
i might just be an idiot yet though, trying to get in and out of the store quick, i grabbed two tubs of vanilla whey powder. just had that shake…late workout…not bad, but i can tell chocolate would have been killer!
I’m not sure if this has been covered, but if you eat a lot of eggs a day (15+), about how many egg yolks would you eat?
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Since I have some HDL issues, I might use about 1/2 of the yolks. That said, I eat about 5 omega 3 eggs with yolks every morning. Well, most mornings would be more accurate.
[quote]egcabanissiii wrote:
Since I have some HDL issues, I might use about 1/2 of the yolks. That said, I eat about 5 omega 3 eggs with yolks every morning. Well, most mornings would be more accurate.
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Omega 3 eggs? Are they some type of organic egg? I’ll have to check them out next time I go to the store
ima start the anabolic diet tomorrow…im ready to change my body composition for summer. ill be getting 4000 cals a day, so im ready for it! i have been doing the t-dawg 2.0 for the past 2 weeks, but i wanna switch to the AD because of the better results i keep reading about.
