My Experience On the Anabolic Diet

[quote]RuggerSean wrote:
Thanks Ren, I’m hoping for similar results. I’m basically lazy and don’t wanna tweak the diet too much although in reading the book I was suprised at how much you can customize it.

Starting assesment phase Monday and have a 7’s tournement in Florida on the 19-21st so I’m a little nervous but its just 7’s. But at least I’ll get to drink mas cervasas after the last match Sat afternoon!!![/quote]

I’m lazy too. I just worked out how many cals I want (3200 atm) and go from there. I have yet to read the entire book. My daily food is something like:
5 eggs
4 slices bacon
lots of olive oil
low carb tortilla w/ chicken, salsa, cheese, sour cream, and spinach.
6-8 oz hamburger
italian sausage
can of tuna, avocado, spinach, ground falx in a salad
protein shake w/ whipped cream.
something meaty at night.

I carb from friday night - sunday night cos rugby all day saturday complicates things a bit.

[quote]Kliplemet wrote:
zdrax wrote:
Doh! I cheated for the first time on the diet.

I started carbing up Friday night at 8:00pm. I carbed pretty hard (lots of cals) until around midnight, when I crapped out.

Woke up at 9am on Saturday morning, and kept up the gluttony until around midnight again.

Sunday came morning and I had my usual sausage and egg omlette. Unfortunately, whether it was the stress from the god awful time I’ve been having at work or just plain emotion, I ended up consuming a bunch of low-GI carbs (Metabolic Drive bars, grapes, apples, etc.). I probably had around 250-300g at the end of the day (~ 10:30pm).

LOL something tells me this won’t be the last time[/quote]

Huh? I don’t get it.

[quote]Kliplemet wrote:
i experienced pretty much exactly the same two weeks ago and the next week the same thing happened…

actually no noticable dammage was done, except for more time on the toilet

don’t sweat it[/quote]

I hope you’re not sweating on the toilet.

tee-hee.

  1. Rock on thread.

What’s on the carb up menu for this weekend folks?

No need to do anything differently. Just resume as normal. Once you’ve “hardwired” yourself with the AD, you rarely have to do a depletion phase again. I’ve even (I almost hate to throw this out here, but many of you are pretty well adapted by now) gone a week long Christmas binge. Just resumed the 5/2 cycle the following week, and was none the worse for it. Now DON’T take that as an endorsement for making your own hybrid here! This happens VERY infrequently (Christmas usually) and I’ve been on this baby since 1995. I’m what you’d call “well adapted”

PS. After a while on the AD, I’d notice that I could feel depleted on say a wednesday, and then all of the sudden be having an arm pump on thur or fri. The AD can be VERY glycogen sparring. Sometimes even seeming to defy expectations. Protein would be pretty high (1.25g/lb) and plenty of water always helped.

DH

[quote]zdrax wrote:
Doh! I cheated for the first time on the diet.

I started carbing up Friday night at 8:00pm. I carbed pretty hard (lots of cals) until around midnight, when I crapped out.

Woke up at 9am on Saturday morning, and kept up the gluttony until around midnight again.

Sunday came morning and I had my usual sausage and egg omlette. Unfortunately, whether it was the stress from the god awful time I’ve been having at work or just plain emotion, I ended up consuming a bunch of low-GI carbs (Metabolic Drive bars, grapes, apples, etc.). I probably had around 250-300g at the end of the day (~ 10:30pm).

I’m right back on the horse, so to speak. Would you guys recommend doing a reintro. I had a “true” 50 hour carb up (8pm Friday night to 10:30pm Sunday night). Was that too long? [/quote]

Well, in celebration of Cinco de Mayo, I’ll have the “Big Poncho’s Chimichanga” from the local joint. And some lemon water. If I have more than a can or two of Coke on a load, my fingers become sausages and my thighs get a pump walking up the stairs! The pump I like, the water retention on the gut and the fingers…not so much. I’ve really come to find out what foods are my offenders and which are my friends.

My main bad guys: (Use cautiously)
Cola
Milk
Candy
Snack Cakes

Some of my “buds”:
Oatmeal
Pasta
Jelly Beans (along with my oatmeal)
Cheerios
Rice (ok, I admit it, the cheesy kind)
Baked Potato (yes I eat the butter too!
Mashed potatoes

DH

[quote]zdrax wrote:
What’s on the carb up menu for this weekend folks?[/quote]

[quote]zdrax wrote:
What’s on the carb up menu for this weekend folks?[/quote]

Just finished at the grocery store:
4 breyer’s fruit on bottom yogurt
package strawberries
package of blueberries (for my steel cut oats)
pineapple
watermellon
grapes
buckwheat pancake mix
whole grain cereal (some sort of banana nut crunch)
california sweetened dates
four cliff bars
lowfat organic milk
brown rice
tortillas
snackwells no fat cockies
whole grain chocolate chip cookies
fat free chocolate pudding (anyone seeing a chocolate trend here?)
two turkey breast for th grill
whole wheat pasta

Tonight’s dinner: tbone steak with bay scallops, green beans and turnip greens.

Have a great weekend everyone.

egc

So far:

1 slice of chocolate mint ice cream cake. (I’m known as the “broccoli, steak, and almonds” guy in my office. Given it was my last day before a transfer to a different unit, I had to partake lest I look like a total nutjob :).)

1 Chipotle fajita burrito w/ rice, tons of veggies lettuce, 2x chicken, no “fatty” condiments

1 package Oats & Honey granola bar

3 slices of cheese pizza

5 hot wings with BBQ sauce

3 cups Kashi Go Lean crunch w/ milk

1 bag fat-free popcorn

30 grapes

Gurus, please help
I tried this diet several times, but didnt notice any real fat loss - please help, I’m desperate :slight_smile:
All what I was able to manage while on diet was “crash” - no energy whatsoever
Should i consider myself “insuline resistant” or “lazy SOB”? :slight_smile:

My bio: 33, 177cm, 78kg - i should lose about 7-8 kgs, mostly in my midsection and lovehandles, pic available on request
Especially interested in ideas what i can eat while on job - what snacks are allowed if any

Training: weights, 10 years, off and on - maybe i simply didnt exercised hard enough because i get “pump” in my muscles, but i cant maintain hardness in my muscles - after pump is gone, my muscles look “watery”

Diet foods: eggs, mayo, meat, fresh cheese, meat products - hotdogs,various salami etc. - didnt used any supplements

Biggest noticed mistakes: usage of alcohol while on diet, not been able to eat meals regularly

Longest time to be able to stay on diet: 3 weeks

Weight loss: 3 kgs, but nothing in cms, so i believe thats mainly water loss

Thnx in advance for your help

well my advice to you would be
-go longer than three weeks becuase the first two weeks before the firts carb up is very hard.
-keep eating,eat eat and eat.dont starver yourself,you must get regular meals.thats a must.gotta keep metablism going strong.eat like a banchy on your carbup.dont be afraid of it.
-worksnacks ,can be almonds,nuts ,remeber they only have three grams of carbs per quarter cup.so you can load up on them,beef stick from hickory farms is another winner,little smokies works,microwave bacon all good choiecw
-and really be diligent on keeping carbs lower than 30.
-and have to workout you have to.i dont think this diet works well if you dont workout.
good luck.

The two big advantages of weight loss on the AD come from its natural method of appetite suppression, and if that fails, the excretion of excess ketone bodies. Even if you overeat, your body is going to turn any excess of ingested fat into ketone bodies that will be pass through your system. That’s a big if on the overeating part. Without insulin kicking around all day, most people (not all) tend to simply not want to eat.

If you were on a very carb based diet get ready to crash. I’ve messed around with targeted ketogenic diets (like the T-Dawg diet and even JB’s old recommendations of P+F all day, P+C only around workouts) so I can transition to using fatty acids for energy quite easily. Others will need many weeks before they start feeling “normal.”

If weight loss was the issue, keep you mind you need to maintain a caloric deficit. Watch what you’re consuming on the weekends. That’s where most (okay, nearly all) screw up in the beginning. Stay away from the candy and coke, and focus more on starches.

I find non- gluten based substances (a lot of people have a low level intolerance to gluten which is exacerbated on the carb up of this lifestyle plan) to be best for carb ups. Rice bar none is my “go to” carb up food.

Also, it’s hard to break that temptation to just keep eating and eating. Really focus on spreading your carbs throughout the day rather than hammering all of them home in a few hours. Your body will appreciate it :slight_smile:

Oooh, and the alcohol could be your biggest problem. Don’t quote me on the physiology of this, but you’re trying to convert your body over to using fatty acids as energy. If you’re pumping in another energy source (alcohol) before you’re adapted, it’s going to make that transition far more difficult.

12:25 food log, it’s looking like a big eating day:

GATORADE Lemon Lime Flavor, 200 cal bottle
Noodles, whole wheat, fat not added in cooking , 4 cups
Breyers fruit on bottom yogurt
Olive oil 2 tbsp
ON 100% Whey
2 Cliff Bars
2 cups Watermelon
Dextrose covered Dates, 1 oz

Totals so far, according to FitDay:

Kcal 2292

Fat 33 g

CHO 412 g

Protein 113 g

I hit the gym this moring for my GPP – boxing workout – jumping rope, shadow boxing and 5 rounds on the heavy bag. Wore a sleaveless T (shockingly I’m not in Jersey) and attracted a crowd as I pounded away on the bag. For some reasont the heavy bag is located in a converted racquetball court where they’ve installed a padded floor and all of the dumbells. The sound is pretty intense even with headphones on.

Hope everyone is having a good weekend. Eat hard.

Oh, one question: do you guys stay on your fish oils, flax oils, etc durning the weekend? I’ve found that my fat intake gets a bit high if I consume my “normal” weekday/non-loading amounts.

Thanks.

[quote]zdrax wrote:
Oooh, and the alcohol could be your biggest problem. Don’t quote me on the physiology of this, but you’re trying to convert your body over to using fatty acids as energy. If you’re pumping in another energy source (alcohol) before you’re adapted, it’s going to make that transition far more difficult. [/quote]

Couldn’t resist quoting you. Yes, I’m a jackass. :smiley:

Hi guys…
My bulk stage is olmost over and I’ve red all the diets on the site and could not help to notice this little thread :slight_smile: on AD… I think it’s awsome and I’m soooo going IN…I see that you guys really like this diet, how could you not when you eat all the sweeeett porky stuff. :slight_smile:

I just need some info. I’m starting my cutting diet at 1. june. I’m trying to get to a 10% bf. Currently at cca 14-15%. I’m 6’3’ and 230 lbs.

  1. How much kcal shoul I eat if on cutting diet?

  2. What is the best fiber THINGY that one could eat to be able to shit normally during the carb low days.

  3. How’s your experiance with lbm drop during the cut. I’s the diet hard on the lbm or the lbm loss is minimal? Stupid question I know but I would like to hear some first hand testemonies.

  4. Whot supps would be good to include during the cut. I know that I need to stack up on fish oil. Anything else?

[quote]HvRv wrote:

  1. How much kcal shoul I eat if on cutting diet?[/quote]

How intense of a cut are you planning? I’d recommend doing the 12 day break in at 15 x bodyweight, being sure to keep a high fat to protein ratio. Err on the side of more fat in your diet (i.e. 65 - 70%). Do your 48 hour carb load and then try dropping to 12 or 13 x bodyweight during the week.

[quote]
2. What is the best fiber THINGY that one could eat to be able to shit normally during the carb low days.[/quote]

I have never had any GI issues on this diet. Eat plenty of veggies and nuts. I love almonds, and they provide 3g of fiber per serving. I’ve consumed entire tins of almonds on this diet and was no worse for wear. That’s something like 1800kcal and ~160g of fat! :slight_smile:

Low carb diets, physiologically, are very protein sparing. During the first few weeks I GAINED strength and muscle mass while losing fat. I was coming off a more targeted carb diet (JB/T-Dawg) which keeps glycogen stores at an intermediate level. The supercompensation of the weekends skyrocketed my strength. In one month I increased my x 8 squat by nearly 40lbs.

That said, I did initially lose upper body strength, particularly in my bench press. This seems to be a common occurance that resolves itself over time.

[quote]
4. Whot supps would be good to include during the cut. I know that I need to stack up on fish oil. Anything else?[/quote]

Something like Power Drive to keep you going during those first four weeks. You’ll make the mistakes everyone else does. Overconsumption of caffeine, too little sleep, not enough veggies, too much junk food. It’s okay. Listen to DH and STICK WITH THIS SHIT :slight_smile:

No doubt this is a very mentally taxing diet when you begin - it’s completely iconoclastic and goes against the grain of every single piece of advice you’ve heard. I highly recommend during those initial weeks, if you’re feeling kinda bogged down, treat yourself to some super tasty treat like buffalo wings.

Even though this diet allows you to be more flexibile in food choice for body comp purposes, you shouldn’t neglect your health. I focus on lots of red meat, buckets of veggies, plenty of monounsaturated fats from nuts and olive oil, and eggs galore. For maximum fat loss (and best use of the carb loads), try to minimize saturated fats. There’s some tangential literature indicating saturates can lead to amplified insulin resistance, and could encourage spill over on the weekends.

Prior to the carb load, I perform a mini fast. I’ll bump my calories up Thursday evening right around my workout, and then fast until I begin my carb load the following day at lunch. This ensures sufficient depletion and gets the carbs to where they need to go.

Also. SLEEP SLEEP SLEEP SLEEP SLEEP! On a carb based diet I used to be able to function, albeit somewhat poorly, on something like 5 - 6 hours of sleep. I cannot swing that on this diet. I need atleast 8 hours of sleep minimum, and preferably 9 - 10 hours. I find my sleep patterns are far more regular rocking the AD, and dreams more vivid.

I hope all this helped. Welcome to the club :slight_smile:

One cavaet about my “minimize saturated fats” statement, because someone will call me on this. Don’t ELIMINATE saturated fats. Just don’t use the diet as an excuse to live off of hot dogs and other overprocessed meats.

[quote]zdrax wrote:
One cavaet about my “minimize saturated fats” statement, because someone will call me on this. Don’t ELIMINATE saturated fats. Just don’t use the diet as an excuse to live off of hot dogs and other overprocessed meats. [/quote]

Offcourse… Chicken breasts are still my no1. choice of high protein food. And now I can have stakes and stuff like that. Minced chicken meat… HMMMMM!!!
Dry ham or something like this would be fine?

About those veggies. Would you count those in that 20-30 g Carbs on Off days. Whats the scheme with PWO then. I use dextrose in my PWO.

I’m not cutting drasticly. Just a little tap so my bf goes a bit down.
So basicly is like:
15xlbs 5off-2on-5off DROP TO 12xlbs 2on-5off…

[quote]zdrax wrote:
Oooh, and the alcohol could be your biggest problem. Don’t quote me on the physiology of this, but you’re trying to convert your body over to using fatty acids as energy. If you’re pumping in another energy source (alcohol) before you’re adapted, it’s going to make that transition far more difficult. [/quote]

big thnx to all who responded - and yes, i believe that i get the point about alcohol :slight_smile:
about supplements - do you recommend something in particular, eg. fat burners, ultra ripped, protein shakes - i saw that many of you praise hidroxycut, but it is not available to me (im in SE europe)etc.

what i can expect resultwise on this diet - i mean what kg/week in fat or cms loss? i do know its individual, but im just searching for some measurable value which can tell me if im doing this diet correctly or ill flunk again
thnx in advance again

In six weeks I lost about 4 inches around my stomach, and smaller fat losses elsewhere. My weight dropped approximately 5 - 8 pounds depending on which day I weighed in – heaviest monday and lightest friday.

I keep an accurate food log, monitor my blood work every six weeks, and take body measurements regulaly.

I think so long as you are monitoring everything you eat and take supplement wise while working out consistently, this is a great way to eat.

[quote]gslv wrote:
zdrax wrote:
Oooh, and the alcohol could be your biggest problem. Don’t quote me on the physiology of this, but you’re trying to convert your body over to using fatty acids as energy. If you’re pumping in another energy source (alcohol) before you’re adapted, it’s going to make that transition far more difficult.

big thnx to all who responded - and yes, i believe that i get the point about alcohol :slight_smile:
about supplements - do you recommend something in particular, eg. fat burners, ultra ripped, protein shakes - i saw that many of you praise hidroxycut, but it is not available to me (im in SE europe)etc.

what i can expect resultwise on this diet - i mean what kg/week in fat or cms loss? i do know its individual, but im just searching for some measurable value which can tell me if im doing this diet correctly or ill flunk again
thnx in advance again

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