My Experience On the Anabolic Diet Part II

[quote]e55ex_b0y wrote:
bulgarian wrote:
synny wrote:
hey bulg, when you were cutting from the maintenance phase

To drop body fat, did you keep carbs the same and do cardio/hiit or did you just drop the cals slow with no cardio?

Im thinking that i eat my 3100 cals a day and trying adding some cardio like boxing and light n fast jogging to see if that helps lower my bodyfat from 14%

if that doesnt work ill try, lower cals with no cardio still n see if that works…

Also

When i start lowering my calories, should i lower my fat intake which is 227g. Or should i lower my protein intake which is at around 250g. My carbs are around 25g

My weight has been 80kgs for along time now… im ecto aswell

When i first begin my cut, i’d add in 1 HIIT session per week and drop calories only by 250-500. I will do that for 2 weeks or until i see no more results. After that i add in 1 more HIIT session without touching calories. I keep that for 2 weeks. Then i’d drop calories by 250-300 and add in 2 LISS cardio sessions in the morning. Keep that for 2-3 weeks and then add 2 more LISS sessions. After 2 more weeks, i cut calories by 300-500 which means im eating close to 2300 by that point. When results stall, i cut my carb up to 1 day per week. I eat junk on my carb ups up intil 4-6 weeks to a show. The last 4-6 weeks of my contest prep which is usually 20weeks i follow the Get shredded diet by John Berardi. I do no HIIT on the get shredded diet.

This is very indivudal though and if i keep seeing results only from 2 hiit sessions i wont touch my calories. You should be good at first by staying at 3100 and adding HIIT when results stall, cut the calories a bit.

This sounds like a solid approach and what I’m going to use to try shift this 40 inch belly i have acumilated. I think a mistake I have made in the past when trying to lose fat is I’d throw everything at the problem all at once…Like I’d drop calories and do tons of cardio right from the get go, which while I lost fat, muscle was lost to and then a few weeks down the lne everything stalls and theres not really many more changes you can make. slowly adding changes as progress slows over a longer period is the way to go it seems.

A question for you, how do you eat around your HIIT workouts on AD? [/quote]

You need to be very patient. This process takes time and if you want quality results, you will have to suffer for a bit, but i can promise you, if you stick with it it will work. Its science we just need to modify the approach to work for you. Start of slow and slowly make adjustments.

During HIIT i sip on 10g of BCAA, right after i have another 10g of bcaa and have a solid meal 30min after that. During weight training i also have 10-30g of bcaa depending on what im training. I cant stress this enough though, when you do get LEANER (under 10%bf) and have to decrease calories to get even leaner, DO NOT DO HIIT. Anything under 2000kcal for me and i drop HIIT completely.

I just thought before I’d spend any money on supplements, I’d ask what is suggested for the AD. I thought glutamine with bcaa (the home-brand here offers this one, for a very reasonable price www.sciteconline.eu/languages/eng/Scitec_g-bomb.php fortunately I’ve already tasted it, and felt like “recharging the batteries” after a really taxing training) or perhaps some liquid amino, (very fast absorbing, can be digested easily)

Or should I just save the bucks for the winter bulking? I’m now around 11-12% bf, since I started the AD everyone tells me that I’m “recomping” and “slowly changing”. Guess they are right, as I pretty much weight the same (around 97 kgs) and using bigger weights on my main lifts.

Also, I got my blood test two weeks ago, with elevated Testosterone and DHAE levels. :smiley: My parents suspected that I’m juicing, and spent a day with a thorough investigation within my room for needles. Furthermore, once I had 500 grams of creatine, but it seems like, it ended up in the sewers, after they figured out my bloodtests results. :smiley: So much for the summer blasting.

Nevertheless, the end of the schoolyear approaches, thus I’ll have more time, I plan to introduce some aerob work within my routine. Already doing aerob on a daily basis, for at least 20-30 minutes, otherwise I’ll end up with bloated chubby look, just as I did at winter. Is it would be acceptable taking up jogging or swimming, or shall I just stick to the bike or walks?

Thanks in advance for any responses-help. : )

@bulgarian:
When you do the AD, is your carb intake lower than on the GSD? I mean, Doc D recommends 30g of carbs per day, JB recommends more carbs of veggies. I think JB´s recommendation is a lot better and even the Doc today recommends some more carbs in his MD. Because I don t wanna limit my veggie-intake an with all my veggies I m on 40-50g of carbs per day. But the AD isn t really a ketogenic diet, so this shouldn t be a problem in my opinion and makes it much healthier.
So do you limit your veggie-intake during the week?

[quote]Philo wrote:
@bulgarian:
When you do the AD, is your carb intake lower than on the GSD? I mean, Doc D recommends 30g of carbs per day, JB recommends more carbs of veggies. I think JB�´s recommendation is a lot better and even the Doc today recommends some more carbs in his MD. Because I don t wanna limit my veggie-intake an with all my veggies I m on 40-50g of carbs per day. But the AD isn t really a ketogenic diet, so this shouldn t be a problem in my opinion and makes it much healthier.
So do you limit your veggie-intake during the week? [/quote]

When i am cutting, i do not limit my intake of broccoli, spinach,lettuce and mushrooms… i still stay with less than 40g of carbs in total. Veggies keep me full plus they are healthy so i eat as much as i want. Its very difficult once you subtract fiber to go over 30-40g. When bulking though i make sure my carbs are strict at 30g max.

[quote]bulgarian wrote:
Philo wrote:
@bulgarian:
When you do the AD, is your carb intake lower than on the GSD? I mean, Doc D recommends 30g of carbs per day, JB recommends more carbs of veggies. I think JB�?�´s recommendation is a lot better and even the Doc today recommends some more carbs in his MD. Because I don t wanna limit my veggie-intake an with all my veggies I m on 40-50g of carbs per day. But the AD isn t really a ketogenic diet, so this shouldn t be a problem in my opinion and makes it much healthier.
So do you limit your veggie-intake during the week?

When i am cutting, i do not limit my intake of broccoli, spinach,lettuce and mushrooms… i still stay with less than 40g of carbs in total. Veggies keep me full plus they are healthy so i eat as much as i want. Its very difficult once you subtract fiber to go over 30-40g. When bulking though i make sure my carbs are strict at 30g max. [/quote]

Yea I was thinking the same thing about the GSD and AD but honestly when you subtract the fiber you’d need about 2.25 pounds (36oz.) of broccoli a day to get 30g.

my problem is the carbs I get from cottage cheese and nuts/pb but it’s not a big deal since it still doesn’t really go over 40

I start the GSD tomorrow :frowning:

Heres my plan, I may add 100 calories or so:

Pre-exercise
-Protein powder, 1 scoops (22g): 120 calories, 23g protein, 2g carbs, 2.5g fat

Meal 1
-steak, 3 oz.: 171 calories, 30g protein, 0g carbs, 5.1g fat
-Brocolli, 6 oz: 60 calories, 4.8g protein, 11.2g carbs, 0.7g
-Olive Oil, 1.33tbsp: 160 calories, 0g protein, 0g carbs, 18.67g fat
SUBTOTALS: 391 calories, 34.8g protein, 11.2 (6.8) carbs, 24.47g fat

Meal 2
-5 whole eggs: 350 calories, 30g protein, 3.3g carbs, 22.5g fat
-Brocolli, 6 oz: 60 calories, 4.8g protein, 11.2g carbs, 0.7g
SUBTOTALS: 410 calories, 34.8g protein, 14.5 (10.1)g carbs, 23.2g fat

Meal 3
-Chicken, 5 oz: 167calories, 35g protein, 0g carbs, 5g fat
-Brocolli, 6 oz: 60 calories, 4.8g protein, 11.2g carbs, 0.7g fat
-Olive Oil, 1.33tbsp: 160 calories, 0g protein, 0g carbs, 18.67g fat
SUBTOTALS: 387 calories, 39.8g protein, 11.2 (6.8)g carbs, 24.37g fat

Meal 4
-fish oil, 4 pills: 40 calories, 0g protein, 0g carbs, 4.5g fat
-Cottage cheese, 1/2 cup: 100calories, 15g protein, 6g carbs, 1.5g fat
-1 turkey burgers: 160 calories, 19g protein, 0g carbs, 9g fat
SUBTOTALS: 300 calories, 34g protein, 6g carbs, 15g fat

TOTALS: 1608 calories, 166.4g protein, 44.9(31.7)g carbs, 89.54g fat 1598.26
41.64% protein 7.93% carbs 50.42% fat

[quote]pumped340 wrote:
I start the GSD tomorrow :frowning:

Heres my plan, I may add 100 calories or so:

Pre-exercise
-Protein powder, 1 scoops (22g): 120 calories, 23g protein, 2g carbs, 2.5g fat

Meal 1
-steak, 3 oz.: 171 calories, 30g protein, 0g carbs, 5.1g fat
-Brocolli, 6 oz: 60 calories, 4.8g protein, 11.2g carbs, 0.7g
-Olive Oil, 1.33tbsp: 160 calories, 0g protein, 0g carbs, 18.67g fat
SUBTOTALS: 391 calories, 34.8g protein, 11.2 (6.8) carbs, 24.47g fat

Meal 2
-5 whole eggs: 350 calories, 30g protein, 3.3g carbs, 22.5g fat
-Brocolli, 6 oz: 60 calories, 4.8g protein, 11.2g carbs, 0.7g
SUBTOTALS: 410 calories, 34.8g protein, 14.5 (10.1)g carbs, 23.2g fat

Meal 3
-Chicken, 5 oz: 167calories, 35g protein, 0g carbs, 5g fat
-Brocolli, 6 oz: 60 calories, 4.8g protein, 11.2g carbs, 0.7g fat
-Olive Oil, 1.33tbsp: 160 calories, 0g protein, 0g carbs, 18.67g fat
SUBTOTALS: 387 calories, 39.8g protein, 11.2 (6.8)g carbs, 24.37g fat

Meal 4
-fish oil, 4 pills: 40 calories, 0g protein, 0g carbs, 4.5g fat
-Cottage cheese, 1/2 cup: 100calories, 15g protein, 6g carbs, 1.5g fat
-1 turkey burgers: 160 calories, 19g protein, 0g carbs, 9g fat
SUBTOTALS: 300 calories, 34g protein, 6g carbs, 15g fat

TOTALS: 1608 calories, 166.4g protein, 44.9(31.7)g carbs, 89.54g fat 1598.26
41.64% protein 7.93% carbs 50.42% fat
[/quote]

All the best, good luck with it. :slight_smile:
I don’t envy you but my time will come hehe

lol yea theres a slight excitement about switching things up and getting more results but I gotta say the low calories is gonna blow. Unfortunately I’ve already been thinking about my big cheat day I’m gonna have and I haven’t even started yet haha.

As for training I’m gonna back off the cardio/full body intervals slightly and if fat loss stalls I’ll add it back in but I’m only going to be doing this for 4-5 weeks.

oh and I’ll be adding another 90 calorie shake on workout days. and a cup of sugar free jello every day for sanity :slight_smile: (only 10-20 calories)

[quote]pumped340 wrote:
lol yea theres a slight excitement about switching things up and getting more results but I gotta say the low calories is gonna blow. Unfortunately I’ve already been thinking about my big cheat day I’m gonna have and I haven’t even started yet haha.

As for training I’m gonna back off the cardio/full body intervals slightly and if fat loss stalls I’ll add it back in but I’m only going to be doing this for 4-5 weeks.

oh and I’ll be adding another 90 calorie shake on workout days. and a cup of sugar free jello every day for sanity :slight_smile: (only 10-20 calories)[/quote]

I would be exactly the same with planning cheats/refeeds.

So do we get to see a before and after?

[quote]mudpro69 wrote:
Two quick questions.

  1. What is the difference between the A.D. and the Keto diet?
  2. On the A.D., what is the formula for protein and fats intake?

Thanks… [/quote]

Bumpin for some feedback…

[quote]mudpro69 wrote:
mudpro69 wrote:
Two quick questions.

  1. What is the difference between the A.D. and the Keto diet?
  2. On the A.D., what is the formula for protein and fats intake?

Thanks…

Bumpin for some feedback…[/quote]

as far as i know, on keto diet you dont carb up
on AD, the % are : 60%fat, 35%protein, 5%carbs.

[quote]El Sonido wrote:
pumped340 wrote:
lol yea theres a slight excitement about switching things up and getting more results but I gotta say the low calories is gonna blow. Unfortunately I’ve already been thinking about my big cheat day I’m gonna have and I haven’t even started yet haha.

As for training I’m gonna back off the cardio/full body intervals slightly and if fat loss stalls I’ll add it back in but I’m only going to be doing this for 4-5 weeks.

oh and I’ll be adding another 90 calorie shake on workout days. and a cup of sugar free jello every day for sanity :slight_smile: (only 10-20 calories)

I would be exactly the same with planning cheats/refeeds.

So do we get to see a before and after?[/quote]

lol yea it can be kind of annoying thinking about it though, also only having 4 meals a day is so weird for me. I haven’t had less than 5 on any day for years now.

as for the before and after…we’ll see lol.

[quote]andy90 wrote:
mudpro69 wrote:
mudpro69 wrote:
Two quick questions.

  1. What is the difference between the A.D. and the Keto diet?
  2. On the A.D., what is the formula for protein and fats intake?

Thanks…

Bumpin for some feedback…

as far as i know, on keto diet you dont carb up
on AD, the % are : 60%fat, 35%protein, 5%carbs.[/quote]

They’re the same thing and you do have a carb up on a keto diet (CKD).

The only actual difference between the two is that the AD suggests dirtier/higher fat carb ups.

Tomorrow I get a carb-up. I’m thinking one real cheat – a good-quality pastry from the bakery – and the rest sort of bread/fruit/potatoes normal stuff. I haven’t had a good bagel in so long…

Also, I know we love protein around here, but do you have any info on whether or not it wrecks your kidneys? I have a friend who eats the recommended 1-1.5 gram/pound of bodyweight and he went to the doctor and they found protein byproducts in his urine. He insists it’s fine, but I don’t want him – or me – to get sick.

[quote]bulgarian wrote:
e55ex_b0y wrote:
bulgarian wrote:
synny wrote:
hey bulg, when you were cutting from the maintenance phase

To drop body fat, did you keep carbs the same and do cardio/hiit or did you just drop the cals slow with no cardio?

Im thinking that i eat my 3100 cals a day and trying adding some cardio like boxing and light n fast jogging to see if that helps lower my bodyfat from 14%

if that doesnt work ill try, lower cals with no cardio still n see if that works…

Also

When i start lowering my calories, should i lower my fat intake which is 227g. Or should i lower my protein intake which is at around 250g. My carbs are around 25g

My weight has been 80kgs for along time now… im ecto aswell

When i first begin my cut, i’d add in 1 HIIT session per week and drop calories only by 250-500. I will do that for 2 weeks or until i see no more results. After that i add in 1 more HIIT session without touching calories. I keep that for 2 weeks. Then i’d drop calories by 250-300 and add in 2 LISS cardio sessions in the morning. Keep that for 2-3 weeks and then add 2 more LISS sessions. After 2 more weeks, i cut calories by 300-500 which means im eating close to 2300 by that point. When results stall, i cut my carb up to 1 day per week. I eat junk on my carb ups up intil 4-6 weeks to a show. The last 4-6 weeks of my contest prep which is usually 20weeks i follow the Get shredded diet by John Berardi. I do no HIIT on the get shredded diet.

This is very indivudal though and if i keep seeing results only from 2 hiit sessions i wont touch my calories. You should be good at first by staying at 3100 and adding HIIT when results stall, cut the calories a bit.

This sounds like a solid approach and what I’m going to use to try shift this 40 inch belly i have acumilated. I think a mistake I have made in the past when trying to lose fat is I’d throw everything at the problem all at once…Like I’d drop calories and do tons of cardio right from the get go, which while I lost fat, muscle was lost to and then a few weeks down the lne everything stalls and theres not really many more changes you can make. slowly adding changes as progress slows over a longer period is the way to go it seems.

A question for you, how do you eat around your HIIT workouts on AD?

You need to be very patient. This process takes time and if you want quality results, you will have to suffer for a bit, but i can promise you, if you stick with it it will work. Its science we just need to modify the approach to work for you. Start of slow and slowly make adjustments.

During HIIT i sip on 10g of BCAA, right after i have another 10g of bcaa and have a solid meal 30min after that. During weight training i also have 10-30g of bcaa depending on what im training. I cant stress this enough though, when you do get LEANER (under 10%bf) and have to decrease calories to get even leaner, DO NOT DO HIIT. Anything under 2000kcal for me and i drop HIIT completely.
[/quote]

Yea that was my problem in the past not enough patience and I dropped muscle way too fast and became skinny fat lol…Your plan sounds solid so just a case of sticking to it now like you say. :slight_smile: I’m 5 days in now and feel great, off to do my first HIIT session in an hour or so, will put this tub off bcaa’s that Ive had lying around for ages to use.

I really despise cutting since I dont have that much muscle to reveal when I’m lean, but I cant bulk right now with my bf being so high so it’s gotta be done. I am hoping once i’m lean this diet will keep my bodyfat under controll when I switch back to bulking. The Carb+pro+fats bulking in the past gave me a really bad ratio of muscle to fat gains…

[quote]El Sonido wrote:
e55ex_b0y wrote:
A question for you, how do you eat around your HIIT workouts on AD?

This is something I’m curious about.

I remember reading people advising that it’s best to fast for an hour or so after HIIT and then make that meal very low carb - this wasn’t relating to the AD though, or even BB or PL so I would assume that in the interest of muscle preservation you’d want to eat pretty soon after - I’d like to see some clarification this though.

(Btw, where in essex are you from? I lived in hadleigh/benfleet/rayleigh/southend area for several years.)[/quote]

Just outside Chelmsford m8, where are you these days?

[quote]e55ex_b0y wrote:

Yea that was my problem in the past not enough patience and I dropped muscle way too fast and became skinny fat lol…Your plan sounds solid so just a case of sticking to it now like you say. :slight_smile: I’m 5 days in now and feel great, off to do my first HIIT session in an hour or so, will put this tub off bcaa’s that Ive had lying around for ages to use. I really despise cutting since I dont have that much muscle to reveal when I’m lean, but I cant bulk right now with my bf being so high so it’s gotta be done. I am hoping once i’m lean this diet will keep my bodyfat under controll when I switch back to bulking. The Carb+pro+fats bulking in the past gave me a really bad ratio of muscle to fat gains…

[/quote]

Good luck with it! It just takes time. And another note for those bulking on the AD, not everyone should be eating 25xBW in calories. It is too excessive. Aim to gain 1lb per week using clean(ish) carb ups and you can really gain alot of muscle on the AD.

Oh and when you start dropping calories, add BCAA’s between meals. Those are a live saver

[quote]e55ex_b0y wrote:
El Sonido wrote:
e55ex_b0y wrote:
A question for you, how do you eat around your HIIT workouts on AD?

This is something I’m curious about.

I remember reading people advising that it’s best to fast for an hour or so after HIIT and then make that meal very low carb - this wasn’t relating to the AD though, or even BB or PL so I would assume that in the interest of muscle preservation you’d want to eat pretty soon after - I’d like to see some clarification this though.

(Btw, where in essex are you from? I lived in hadleigh/benfleet/rayleigh/southend area for several years.)

Just outside Chelmsford m8, where are you these days?[/quote]

I’m over in Quebec at the moment, hopefully going down to California when/if (WHEN!) my music takes off, just in the process of getting recordings done at the moment so I can get hand them over to the relevent contacts.

I must admit, I saw ‘e55ex_b0y’ and thought ‘Oh no…’ haha
I actually grew up in London myself; Kentish Town (next to Camden Town) and moved to Benfleet when I was about 12/13.

Anyway, best of luck with your plans - as a FFB I can definitely say that the AD works well for making ‘lean gains’.

I’m done with the AD for now anyway, the carb-ups just didn’t suit me so I’m taking more of a carb cycling approach. CCing seems to be working a bit better for me personally (physically and psychologically) but you should do very well on the AD as long as you can keep the carb-ups controlled and clean.

hey guys, just have a question. forgive me for asking a question that i know is answered, but because i am so tired and my brain is so foggy, i would just like to hear what some of you have to say. i started this diet on monday, and have been getting more and more tired as i go. a day, i get about 230 grams/fat, 30 grams/carbs, 230 grams/protein and at my BW of 195, i eat 3500-3700 calories a day.

like i said, i am just very very tired all day. i had to slam a spike energy drink to do my workout the other night, and took tonight off becuase i feel so tired and shitty… combination of being tired and not shitting all week.

what do you guys recommend for me with this lack of energy? ive seen multiple times, the first week is the worst, give it time and youll feel better. but damn this is getting me down.

skimmy can you post ur diet, im curious to see wat your eating daily…

and i was doing carb cycling b4 i started this diet, so i felt the way u did for only 1 day or so and then i was sweet, but i have sooo much energy now man, hack it out man, dont give up!

[quote]AlisaV wrote:
Tomorrow I get a carb-up. I’m thinking one real cheat – a good-quality pastry from the bakery – and the rest sort of bread/fruit/potatoes normal stuff. I haven’t had a good bagel in so long…

Also, I know we love protein around here, but do you have any info on whether or not it wrecks your kidneys? I have a friend who eats the recommended 1-1.5 gram/pound of bodyweight and he went to the doctor and they found protein byproducts in his urine. He insists it’s fine, but I don’t want him – or me – to get sick.[/quote]

I just stumbled upon this and thought of you, scroll down to #2 -