Phatkins, the only fresh vegetables I eat are spinach and SOMETIMES onion. Oh, and mushrooms.
Most of my vegetables are frozen, store brand, organic frozen if available. My tomatoes for my eggs are currently coming in store brand cans, and for asparagus and peppers, I prepare them and freeze them fresh. I buy my stuff ‘in bulk’ but in normal sizes. If you try a little harder, I’m sure you can eat everything in good time.
I only shop every 2 weeks…so think about my spinach. It lasts at least 10 days. (Also the spinach I use [fresh/frozen] is based on purpose…whether or not I need fresh leaves or something I’ll cook anyway.) The trick is to aerate the leaves in the bag, leaving it open. Start using the first bag, maybe don’t open the others until 1-3 days go by, and then open them, ruffle the leaves around, and replace them in the fridge. Some leaves will wilt a little by the end of two weeks, but if done properly, they’ll never start to rot into that dark green spinach goo you may be familiar with.
new to the forums here…1 week into the AD. been reading T-Nation for years and stumbled on it after sorting of hearing the legend of the diet about a year ago.
i love it so far. i was a little nervous about so much meat and so few veggies…but no problems so far, and a couple days i’ve even managed 15-20g carbs, so i might be able to afford more veggies.
there seems to a mix of opinions as to fiber being “free.” i’ve seen those who dont count it with their carbs and those who do. i haven’t ordered the book yet…im going mostly on the articles here and all the posts. so…is fiber free? does it make a difference between the BB and PL diets?
[quote]Seanz96 wrote:
i was a little nervous about so much meat and so few veggies
is fiber free?
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Don’t worry about the vegetable issue. Try and pick the most nutrient dense and voluminous veggies for the most part. Eg: have a huge base of spinach/lettuce/broccoli then top it with mushrooms, peppers, and cheeses n nuts.
Yes fiber is free.
the debate arises from the fact that insoluble fiber passes through with zero caloric impact whereas soluble fiber calories are still being debated upon and is fermented in the intestine.
Sooo, yes fiber is free.
Phatkins…If it was me I’d replace the heavy cream with more eggs.
NZ… yea I just do the carb up within the caloric restrictions except for on the refeed day every other week I made a carb day. It’s been okay, I’ve just obviously been very tired except for the refeed day and the day following.
I’ve lost 12 pounds in 6 weeks with basically no cardio. Really felt the difference today in the gym with the carbs I had earlier in the day. This was the first time I have carbed up during the week, so I could really compare it to a normal workout day when I’ve been depleted after work. Big difference. Definitely not even close to as hungry with the carbs either. Pretty sure I depleted those carbs right away though with the 10 sets of 3 on cleans and the rest of my workout. I’m not going to workout until Thursday again so that I can finish this carb up/sodium deplete properly. My strength is pretty much what it was now since I’ve recovered from being sick, but I know I’ve lost a little bit of muscle. I know I haven’t been completely refilling my glycogen stores on the weekend with the caloric restriction, so it is going to be interesting to see just how flat my muscles have been when I finish up here.
All right NZ I went ahead and bought a big bag of frozen veggies from Costco tonight. Not organic and they do include some carrots (I’ll throw out). Broccoli and cauliflower really fill me up better than fatty meats so I’m going to do some big time stir frying with EVOO now.
Bought the big ass 60ct eggs too! 1 oz. heavy cream is ~1.5 whole eggs…thanks KI.
I stir fried 100% beef kosher franks tonight, lol…tasted great.
Kept the calories to under 2,000 today so I’m very happy with my current diet and plan on doing this cut until Memorial Day.
Today I used whey+creatine in water, thinking I maybe should have added oil, but am not really sweating it since I’d rather save my oil for when I’m starving at night.[/quote]
I also tend to save th oil for when i really need it.
I have also noticed that if i take some olive oil just before bed, it really accelerates the fat loss.
Anyone noticed this too?
Recap: To those noobs out there, NO MODIFICATIONS UNTIL FULLY ADAPTED(4-6MONTHS).may be a bit long to some but if you really want the results of the positively altered hormonal profile and every other benefit has to offer then MAKE SURE you KNOW your completely adapted before screwing yourself over by making this a different eating plan
Today I used whey+creatine in water, thinking I maybe should have added oil, but am not really sweating it since I’d rather save my oil for when I’m starving at night.
I also tend to save th oil for when i really need it.
I have also noticed that if i take some olive oil just before bed, it really accelerates the fat loss.
Anyone noticed this too?[/quote]
there is helth benefit of olive oil and beside that it does help u to maintain whatever ur set calories are regarding ur goals on this diet .
beside that olive oil dosent has some magic to lose u fat . u lose fat by eating less calories then ur maintanence . calories do matter on this diet also
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
Sample menu at my 2400 transition-
Breakfast-
Asparagus stir fry w/cup of spniach in my
4 omega eggs and 3oz ground chk and serv. of flax
snack
kale and spinach salad w/3oz cheese flax and 1oz mixed nuts
Lunch
Tuna with some Sabacha spice, mayo, Evoo, and brocolli
snack
5oz steak, brussel sprouts, 1 oz cheese
Dinner
couple scoops protein, flax, superfood, mixed nuts with enough water to make a cake batter consistency
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
Recap: To those noobs out there, NO MODIFICATIONS UNTIL FULLY ADAPTED(4-6MONTHS).may be a bit long to some but if you really want the results of the positively altered hormonal profile and every other benefit has to offer then MAKE SURE you KNOW your completely adapted before screwing yourself over by making this a different eating plan[/quote]
4-6 months is a little bit overkill if you have some goals you need to achieve. I’ll agree to 3. If you are struggling doing it the right way, it might take longer.
[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
Sample menu at my 2400 transition-
Breakfast-
Asparagus stir fry w/cup of spniach in my
4 omega eggs and 3oz ground chk and serv. of flax
snack
kale and spinach salad w/3oz cheese flax and 1oz mixed nuts
Lunch
Tuna with some Sabacha spice, mayo, Evoo, and brocolli
snack
5oz steak, brussel sprouts, 1 oz cheese
Dinner
couple scoops protein, flax, Superfood, mixed nuts with enough water to make a cake batter consistency
Extrass: spices, Flameout, some leucine[/quote]
That dinner doesn’t sound very appealing. What’s it like? Do you crush the nuts in with the rest?
[quote]Seanz96 wrote:
new to the forums here…1 week into the AD. been reading T-Nation for years and stumbled on it after sorting of hearing the legend of the diet about a year ago.
i love it so far. i was a little nervous about so much meat and so few veggies…but no problems so far, and a couple days i’ve even managed 15-20g carbs, so i might be able to afford more veggies.
there seems to a mix of opinions as to fiber being “free.” i’ve seen those who dont count it with their carbs and those who do. i haven’t ordered the book yet…im going mostly on the articles here and all the posts. so…is fiber free? does it make a difference between the BB and PL diets?
[/quote]
For what it’s worth, I track everything that goes in my mouth, including those fiberous veggies. Then I just subtract the fiber in them from my total CHO. I just feel like you can’t be too anal during the first few weeks, and gram here or there can add up (especially if you’re a nut lover like me… lol).
Nuts are delicious but so calorically dense. They really are a great snack, especially for bulking. On a cutting plan, I would recommend limiting them to 1-3 servings a day. The CHO can add up quickly. For example, a serving of almonds and natural peanut butter is ~15 g CHO. Add in the traces from protein, eggs, veggies, and you’re already creeping up to 30g.
BTW, sunshne…you are an amazing woman in my mind. An anal nut lover, lol.
[quote]phatkins187 wrote:
Nuts are delicious but so calorically dense. They really are a great snack, especially for bulking. On a cutting plan, I would recommend limiting them to 1-3 servings a day. The CHO can add up quickly. For example, a serving of almonds and natural peanut butter is ~15 g CHO. Add in the traces from protein, eggs, veggies, and you’re already creeping up to 30g.
BTW, sunshne…you are an amazing woman in my mind. An anal nut lover, lol.[/quote]
A serving of almonds and natural peanut butter is 10g of carbs, 5g net.
[quote]KingIndy wrote:
phatkins187 wrote:
Nuts are delicious but so calorically dense. They really are a great snack, especially for bulking. On a cutting plan, I would recommend limiting them to 1-3 servings a day. The CHO can add up quickly. For example, a serving of almonds and natural peanut butter is ~15 g CHO. Add in the traces from protein, eggs, veggies, and you’re already creeping up to 30g.
BTW, sunshne…you are an amazing woman in my mind. An anal nut lover, lol.
A serving of almonds and natural peanut butter is 10g of carbs, 5g net.[/quote]
My fitday account and food labels total 14g CHO and I stick to total carbs (not net) on the AD as Di Pasquale recommends for people just starting out. That means fiber supps, flax seed, veggies, nuts, all of it.
Once someone is fully adapted the net value is probably more meaningful. Di Pasquale even mentions a piece of cake in the middle of the week for a fully adapted AD’er. Basically, I am in my 2nd week and would like to keep the total CHO as close to 30g as possible.
[quote]phatkins187 wrote:
bkmacky9288 wrote:
Sample menu at my 2400 transition-
Breakfast-
Asparagus stir fry w/cup of spniach in my
4 omega eggs and 3oz ground chk and serv. of flax
snack
kale and spinach salad w/3oz cheese flax and 1oz mixed nuts
Lunch
Tuna with some Sabacha spice, mayo, Evoo, and brocolli
snack
5oz steak, brussel sprouts, 1 oz cheese
Dinner
couple scoops protein, flax, Superfood, mixed nuts with enough water to make a cake batter consistency
Extrass: spices, Flameout, some leucine
That dinner doesn’t sound very appealing. What’s it like? Do you crush the nuts in with the rest?[/quote]
Well first off since being on the V-diet I’ve learned to appreciate food for the value it gives me and not just by taste alone. Now it tasted good it was more like pudding now that I think back and yea i crushed the nuts in with the rest