MMLLCC you are a moron dogs have been domesticated for over thousdands of years they are not wild animals
most dogs would die in the wild this is why abandoned pet dogs die
wolves coyotes and african hunting dogs are wild animals
domesticated breeds are not
Dogs are not people no animal is people but they’re not savage mindless beasts either
well said MODOK…Twain also said “If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man”…ur situation is a testament to that.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Super Stud wrote:
SmallToBig wrote:
Super Stud wrote:
This is why I prefer parrots.
You cannot ever beat a dog’s loyalty or the enjoyment out of owning a dog. Greatest pet someone could ever have. But with all the cross breeding going on dog’s genetics are getting more and more skewed with it their personalatites.
My grandfather had 4 Dobermans he was the one who taught all of my family how to handle dogs. To him and people he was friendly to they were quiet and obedient but god bless anyone that that tried to come on his property ! They just have to know WHO is the Alpha it’s inbuilt into them it’s been claimed that even in every group of friends there is always one Alpha.
Unfortunately thus for the Original Poster has not given his dog any indication that he should acquiesce to him.
Well I like parrots cause macaws are actually more intelligent than dogs, are non agressive and are also very loyal.
Mine can speak fluently, flies over and greets me when I get home, and i’ve taught it how to play certain tunes on a keyboard.
So I just can’t understand why people keep powerful, agressive dog breeds anyway unless it’s a police or guard dog, people don’t really have any business keeping a pet like that. Why can’t they be happy with a golden retriever?
I think people who keep pit bulls, rotties etc are just deeply insecure and need the assistance of a ‘mean looking’ dog to look and feel ‘alpha’.
Did a pit bull eat one of your pussy chicken birds or something? The only people that keep talking birds are those who have severe social anxiety disorder, who can’t communicate well with other humans. So they live in a house or a small apartment that smells like bird shit to everyone that comes to visit and talk to their birds all day…all the while being to stupid to understand that birds aren’t comprehending your langueage, just copying ambient environmental sounds as a survival mechanism.
Pit bulls score higher on the standardized temperment test than the golden retriever.
Petey, the dog on the LITTLE RASCALS with the circle around his eye was a pit bull.
The pit bull’s nickname up until recently was the “nanny dog”, because they are so good around children.
I keep a pit bull because I have humanity. When I found Jesse, he was 13 lbs@ 6 months old, homeless, and had just been hit by a truck and left to die. I took him, healed his injuries and gave him food. I gave him a chance at a good life…free of pain and heartache… not because of anything I needed from him, but because he needed ME.
Of course, POS like YOU would say that the abuses pit bulls and all the other mistreated animals in the world do not deserve that chance; the ability to have a wonderful life. You deem them “aggressive dogs” and turn the other way when they are starving, having battery acid poured on their back, hung by their necks, beat, electrocuted, and tied to a stake and attacked by other dogs. Maybe you can sleep well knowing the suffering these animals are going through, but I can’t.
Mark Twain once said “Humanity can be judged by the way they treat their animals”. That includes “aggressive breeds”.
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Well said. I didn’t read most of the thread cause I could already see bullshit coming up by ignorant people.
Modok you ever watch that show “Dog Whisperer” on the National Geographic channel? It’s fuckin’ awesome. Cesar Milan is a pioneer in the realm of dog behavior and educating people on how to get the best from their dogs. It seems like he’s more involved in training the people then the dogs, says a lot about how clueless people are when it comes to training animals.
I think a lot of dog owners could learn by simply watching this man in action!
[quote]jcoop82 wrote:
No worries, I had to go back and check to see if what I read was right. It happens.
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Thanks! 
[quote]MODOK wrote:
The only people that keep talking birds are those who have severe social anxiety disorder, who can’t communicate well with other humans. So they live in a house or a small apartment that smells like bird shit to everyone that comes to visit and talk to their birds all day…all the while being to stupid to understand that birds aren’t comprehending your langueage, just copying ambient environmental sounds as a survival mechanism.[/quote]
Hmm, I have two birds and don’t categorize myself as the above and don’t know of anyone who does.
I have them on account of my ex-fiancee having them and finding them very interesting and their very clearly having quite intense feelings and enjoyment of life (when there is the opportunity for it.)
Actually generally I find various different animals very interesting. If I could afford a property suitable for doing so, I would have bobcats as well, and as lower priority, kudu (a type of antelope), and – okay, they’re domesticated – alpacas and goats.
On the other hand, you’re right of course on pit bulls as a general statement.
Both with pit bulls, on the domestication via selective breeding issue, and on whether a domesticated animal can have a screw loose and not to be trusted as a family pet generally can, it seems to me there is a general answer.
It is absolutely right that thanks to thousands of generations of largely selective breeding – in practice, not that it was always a conscious process – domesticated animals have different behaviors than their wild forebearers, respond to human behaviors including training efforts differently than their ancestors (those that didn’t manage to behave what humans considered properly were a lot less likely to be fed or certainly to be deliberately bred), and are a lot less prone to what might be called random acts of violence or fits of anger with resulting violence from possibly trivial causes, or even just bad thoughts coming into the head (who knows what triggers it.)
However, when breeders care nothing for temperament and/or behaviors thought important or useful but only physical traits that place well in shows, or any other aim while disregarding temperament and/or behaviors (other than perhaps one that has nothing to do with getting along well with humans) then rather rapidly one can wind up with animals that are much less to be trusted.
Unfortunately, for many breeds, American breeders are known for – and decried around the world – for breeding for the wrong reasons, with resulting loss of temperament and/or useful behaviors.
I am not familiar with chows, but I would not be surprised if for example chows from European breeders have a completely different reputation than those from American breeders.
True, this dog clearly is not immediately from a so-bred animal, or at least not both parents, but may well have inherited it from one. Hopefully not.
But it can be a different thing talking about an animal that comes from a long line of good temperament / good behavior forebearers, than one who is a result of generations of breeding with absolutely no care for such, but only for some odd-but-considered-desirable head shape and things like this.
Dunno about bats (just no knowledge.)
On turtles, my ex-fiancee had two red-eared sliders, that when she was living with me I did most of the taking-care-of.
One of them had little discernible personality, but the other really did, and among other things would come sit in my lap, which turtles don’t ordinarily do.
(Obviously, when I was sitting on the ground or floor.)
You are bringing semantics into the situation. I thought you had a legitimate American Pit Bull Terrier, if you really have an AmStaff, then there is of course some necessary attention you need to pay to your dog while at a dog park. But those dogs haven’t been bred for game for a long time, they have of course been bred for looks. Which both is fine, but at the moment I am talking about game dogs. American Pit Bull Terriers are not American Staffordshire Terrier, or an AmStaff. APBT’s is a certain kind of breed. AmStaff’s have stopped being bred to fight for a while (around a century) and yes some idiots try to fight them. APBT’s are still being bred today (not talking about BYB) to fight, in real dog fights. I’m not talking about Mike Vick fights, but just like in the old days of Jeep, and all those dogs. With conditioning and the whole nine. It is just not smart, your dogs are both fine, but I would not in right mind bring a real American Pit Bull terrier (the breed) to a dog park. If they are going to fight their own litter mates, they’ll fight a strange dog as well. You have to understand your dogs breed, and be real with yourself. Yeah, it may seem like I am being ‘unfair,’ but having APBT’s is a hate love relationship, and as many dogs as I have had taken away from me and put down, I do not need to see anymore people’s dogs being put down because instead of walking around the neighborhood it gets in a tussle for fun with another dog.
However, do not call me ignorant. Or, whatever words you choose to use. I am not, I have dealt with this for a fairly long time. If you are safe, your dogs are usually safe.
I have personally seen legitimate dog fights, and have met legitimate game dog breeders. The over abundance of byb dogs known as pit bulls is screwing with all kinds of breeds. However, there are still dogs that are true to their breed and breeders that still breed for game.
- Brother
P.S. I do not hate APBT, I love the breed. I just try to educate the difference between the dogs that looks the same. AmStaff and APBT two different dogs, bred two different ways. I love both dogs, I have had both dogs, and I have at the moment an AmStaff as my house dog and a yard full of American Pit Bull Terriers.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
It is absolutely right that thanks to thousands of generations of largely selective breeding – in practice, not that it was always a conscious process – domesticated animals have different behaviors than their wild forebearers, respond to human behaviors including training efforts differently than their ancestors (those that didn’t manage to behave what humans considered properly were a lot less likely to be fed or certainly to be deliberately bred), and are a lot less prone to what might be called random acts of violence or fits of anger with resulting violence from possibly trivial causes, or even just bad thoughts coming into the head (who knows what triggers it.)
However, when breeders care nothing for temperament and/or behaviors thought important or useful but only physical traits that place well in shows, or any other aim while disregarding temperament and/or behaviors (other than perhaps one that has nothing to do with getting along well with humans) then rather rapidly one can wind up with animals that are much less to be trusted.
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The truth of this was driven home for me this past spring when I worked in an obedience school and boarding kennel. We had SO many labradors who were wild, crazy, disrespectful, practically untrainable. They were the cause of the majority of fighting in the yard. The demand for that breed as a pet is so high, they’re bred and inbred like rabbits, and this is the result.
One of my best buddies growing up was my grandfather’s lab. He was well pedigreed, and expensive! but who can put a price on the ten years of companionship with an intuitive, loyal dog like that?
Do your research before you buy a dog, folks. This is also why mixed-breed dogs are good choices.
look bro if you enjoy/attend dog fights, you are ignorant. i don’t know your circumstances for witnessing this shit so i won’t judge beyond saying it’s inherently wrong.
Give me an APBT from a champion fighting line AS A PUPPY and socialize him around other dogs, it should be known i hate dog parks they fuck up people and dogs…but the point holds true, just because an animal has a genetic predisposition for aggression doesn’t mean it cannot be behaviorally modified from a young age.
Michael Jordan would have sucked at basketball if he never played or practiced. Athletics/genetics are one thing, but some shit is a learned response.
My dog and cat are best friends, that shit didn’t just happen. i do think, as stated, dog parks are a set up for disaster, but ABPT isn’t a killing machine from birth, ignorant fuckers who choose to fight dogs create them.
[quote]sluicy wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
It is absolutely right that thanks to thousands of generations of largely selective breeding – in practice, not that it was always a conscious process – domesticated animals have different behaviors than their wild forebearers, respond to human behaviors including training efforts differently than their ancestors (those that didn’t manage to behave what humans considered properly were a lot less likely to be fed or certainly to be deliberately bred), and are a lot less prone to what might be called random acts of violence or fits of anger with resulting violence from possibly trivial causes, or even just bad thoughts coming into the head (who knows what triggers it.)
However, when breeders care nothing for temperament and/or behaviors thought important or useful but only physical traits that place well in shows, or any other aim while disregarding temperament and/or behaviors (other than perhaps one that has nothing to do with getting along well with humans) then rather rapidly one can wind up with animals that are much less to be trusted.
The truth of this was driven home for me this past spring when I worked in an obedience school and boarding kennel. We had SO many labradors who were wild, crazy, disrespectful, practically untrainable. They were the cause of the majority of fighting in the yard. The demand for that breed as a pet is so high, they’re bred and inbred like rabbits, and this is the result.
One of my best buddies growing up was my grandfather’s lab. He was well pedigreed, and expensive! but who can put a price on the ten years of companionship with an intuitive, loyal dog like that?
Do your research before you buy a dog, folks. This is also why mixed-breed dogs are good choices. [/quote]
When doing a quick check to verify a recollection I had of chows being included as one of the most-biting breeds, I was surprised to see Labradors there as well.
All the Labs that I knew quite some time back were extremely well-tempered dogs and this did not seem to fit.
I’d absolutely expect there are some breeders that still produce such dogs. And those that just have a lineage of family dogs going way back are likely the same way.
But if a substantial percentage of breeders are turning out Labradors such as you describe, well there you have it.
I don’t see it fundamentally a fault of the breed, but rather of what too many examples of the breed have become due to too many breeders caring nothing for temperament and behavior. And as you mentioned, engaging in extensive inbreeding.
[quote]Skinystudent wrote:
ok i cant be bothered reading all these posts but as an animal keeper and trainer i can safely say that you need to show oyur dog who is the Alpha Male and who the subordinate is. anytime it makes an aggressive gesture or bites or whatever. stare it in the eyes and growl back, or pin it and hold its mouth shut. if it attacks you pin it and bite its ear or give it a firm but not hard smack on the nose or side[/quote]
I realise that this is what you have been taught and have probably had it reinforced with some practical experience (i.e it has worked for you in the past, maybe a lot of times), but that doesn’t make it good advice universally. OP has found this out the hard way.
If you’ve ever worked with a dog who has learned to bite people, let’s say a Rottweiler from working lines or an Anatolian Shepherd, I can’t imagine you would give this same advice.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
When doing a quick check to verify a recollection I had of chows being included as one of the most-biting breeds, I was surprised to see Labradors there as well.
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Depending on the method of reporting, Labs are almost always up there simply because there are so many of them. Poor breeding only compounds the problem.
All dogs can bite, and under the right conditions all dogs will bite. The fact that they don’t do it more often is a testament to their nature, and certainly not ours for the way we treat them most of the time.
I am still searching for a veterinary behaviorist like DragonCarry suggested to see if my dog in fact has some kind of mental malfunction as Bill Roberts suggested.
http://www.animalbehavior.org/ABSAppliedBehavior/caab-directory
Before we had a qualified veterinary behaviourist where I live, I used to refer people to someone who was licensed to practice in my state, but lived in a different state. She would do a phone consultation, then the client would take their dog to a normal vet for the prescribed tests.
For the record, referring to a vet who is not qualified in behaviour would often be a disaster. Many vets often know no more about animal behaviour than anyone else, despite their medical qualifications which make them seem like they should.
Thanks for the links…found some good stuff on my dogs issues. I need to contact them.
http://www.flvetbehavior.com/Web/FAQ-Aggression.html
Glad I could help, I had a quick look and she looks like someone I would refer a client to.
"I have personally seen legitimate dog fights, and have met legitimate game dog breeders. The over abundance of byb dogs known as pit bulls is screwing with all kinds of breeds. However, there are still dogs that are true to their breed and breeders that still breed for game. "
- Brother
There are legitimate dog fights?
[quote]nikinine wrote:
"I have personally seen legitimate dog fights, and have met legitimate game dog breeders. The over abundance of byb dogs known as pit bulls is screwing with all kinds of breeds. However, there are still dogs that are true to their breed and breeders that still breed for game. "
- Brother
There are legitimate dog fights?[/quote]
People fight (boxing, MMA)…what is wrong with dog fights?
[quote]mmllcc wrote:
nikinine wrote:
"I have personally seen legitimate dog fights, and have met legitimate game dog breeders. The over abundance of byb dogs known as pit bulls is screwing with all kinds of breeds. However, there are still dogs that are true to their breed and breeders that still breed for game. "
- Brother
There are legitimate dog fights?
People fight (boxing, MMA)…what is wrong with dog fights? [/quote]
Consent?
[quote]DragnCarry wrote:
All dogs can bite, and under the right conditions all dogs will bite. The fact that they don’t do it more often is a testament to their nature, and certainly not ours for the way we treat them most of the time.[/quote]
Yes! Oh, yes.