Thanks for all the positive advice so far. I am going to take him to the vet later on to make sure everything is fine from that perspective. I am also going to run his ass into the ground with some fetch to get him good and tired since I have read this helps out.
How do you guys feel about the e-collar for when he is in the house?
[quote]Rhino Jockey wrote:
Thanks for all the positive advice so far. I am going to take him to the vet later on to make sure everything is fine from that perspective. I am also going to run his ass into the ground with some fetch to get him good and tired since I have read this helps out.
How do you guys feel about the e-collar for when he is in the house?[/quote]
E-collar in the house is fine. Use it like a remote leash. Use the lowest setting that gets his attention. Timing, repetition and consistancy. If the dog is really in drive it will take a higher setting…so best to nip it in the bud with the lowest setting when he is in lower drive.
Make sure to desensitize him to the collar before you start using it.
[quote]LS87 wrote:
Your dog sounds like a clever dog.
The problem is you are making him do
too many obedience tasks for no reason, only ask
him when you actually want him to do something.
Stop breaking his balls and he will be your best friend.
[/quote]
I was going to say this. My dog gets angry at my sister because she makes it do unnecessary things all the time. Don’t make it do shit for the sake of doing it, or trying to assert some sort of authority over it. It will get pissed off. Good behaviour should be rewarded, being punished for bad behaviour doesn’t really help.
I also agree with what Sluicy has said. Please do not put this dog down, I would rather take it off your hands myself then see a dog be put down for any reason.
Anyway, I have heard pinning them down until they submit works for a lot of people. I know this doesn’t work for the terrier/pit bull family of dogs, which is why I’ve never done that to my dog since I know it wouldn’t work, but then again I’ve never had to.
For a chow/shepherd mix it might work, sorry I can’t remember if you’ve already tried that. Don’t just do this out of the blue. It’s important that if you’re going to react to something your dog has done, to do it quickly, else it won’t be able to connect the events.
When it tries to attack you, if you just stand up and ignore it (do not look at it), that should work. If it bites your ankles or something, just put it in another room, alone, for a period of time, I would say around 10 minutes, no longer than 30, or maybe even 20. Then when you let it out, act as if nothing has happened (i.e. don’t be all “good boy, good boy, well done”, just ignore it, and in a few minutes if it comes over just say “hello” or whatever as you usually would).
You need to act calm and relaxed around your dog, and it will be calm and relaxed. If you’re always agitated and/or jump on it every time it does something, it’s going to feel, well, how would you feel?
It’s important you recognize when it’s growling/attacking because it’s scared/confused/etc. If the dog is trying to sleep, and everyone keeps disturbing it for no reason, it will eventually get stressed out, and may react. You can’t blame the fucking dog for things like this.
You said it’s bites didn’t even break your skin. Stop worrying so much. Don’t over think your behaviour towards it, act naturally, as you would act towards a child or something similar. If you care about the dog, your body language should be good providing you are not forcing yourself to act in ways you think you should. Socializing is really important. You need it to socialize with as many other dogs and people as possible, which really needs to be done when it’s young, but it’s never too late.
I think I read that you don’t let it run around and stuff or something along those lines. It needs to release it’s energy somewhere, and letting it do so will only help you.
For the record, my dog chases cats or barks at them in the car, and such. Despite this, a strange cat (we have 2 cats of our own, which she doesn’t get along well with) and eat her food RIGHT IN FRONT OF HER and she will sit there, and not act aggressive in any way. it’s kind of cute, she sits there with an expression on her face like “why are you eating my food? i want it :(”. I can take her bone right from her and start gnawing at it and she will do nothing. You can take her dinner away from her, whilst she’s eating it. We’ve never had to hit this dog, or be aggressive towards it in ANY way. You shouldn’t have to either.
I hope things work out for you, it’s important that they do.
I’ve never used the e-collar indoors.
I used E-collars on hunting dogs and it worked great from breaking them off chasing deer.
I also used the E-collar on my husky for a couple of weeks strictly to keep her from running away when she was off leash at the beach. It worked surprisingly well, to the point where I only used the beep after only shocking her a couple times.
Make sure you read up on how to use one correctly, and wedge is right about desensitizing the collar first.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Call him a little bitch. The emotional angst this will cause him will ensure he acts with respect for a long time to come.[/quote]
That, or he will start listening to gangsta rap and calls his momma a ho.
[quote]Rhino Jockey wrote:
Thanks for all the positive advice so far. I am going to take him to the vet later on to make sure everything is fine from that perspective. I am also going to run his ass into the ground with some fetch to get him good and tired since I have read this helps out.
How do you guys feel about the e-collar for when he is in the house?[/quote]
An electric collar? I hope you’re joking. If I came to someone’s house and they had that shit on their dog, I would go ballistic.
I heard Michal Vick just got out. Call him up and introduce them to each other. I guarantee, without fail, your dog will be your bitch from now on. No more wild outbursts cause Michael Vick definitely knows his shit around dogs.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
The dog is just being a dog. He thinks you are a dog too. He just challenged you for pack dominance. You need to go find him right now and put him in his place. Grab him, roll him to the ground, stand over him, and make him submit. Do that a few times the next few days and the problem should be solved.
I’ve just got to shake my head at these folks wanting to put down the “dangerous” dog. The same folks are the ones who are all for BSL and are responsible for me not being able to take my wonderful, beautiful, HARMLESS pit bull to the dog park to get exercise. Meanwhile there are misbehaving labs running around the same park nipping people and other dogs at will. Good call Einsteins.[/quote]
For what it’s worth, I would trust your pit bull any day of the week over any of the non-“dangerous” breeds. It’s a shame that some people don’t bring dogs like that up properly, which gives them a bad rep.
[quote]w00tage wrote:
Rhino Jockey wrote:
Thanks for all the positive advice so far. I am going to take him to the vet later on to make sure everything is fine from that perspective. I am also going to run his ass into the ground with some fetch to get him good and tired since I have read this helps out.
How do you guys feel about the e-collar for when he is in the house?
An electric collar? I hope you’re joking. If I came to someone’s house and they had that shit on their dog, I would go ballistic. [/quote]
You just removed all your credibility regarding this topic dude.
[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
w00tage wrote:
Rhino Jockey wrote:
Thanks for all the positive advice so far. I am going to take him to the vet later on to make sure everything is fine from that perspective. I am also going to run his ass into the ground with some fetch to get him good and tired since I have read this helps out.
How do you guys feel about the e-collar for when he is in the house?
An electric collar? I hope you’re joking. If I came to someone’s house and they had that shit on their dog, I would go ballistic.
You just removed all your credibility regarding this topic dude.
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Fine. I still think using one is appalling.
I just feel like I need to clarify that I didn’t mean by my first post that you need to put him down, but to show his who’s the boss.
When my rottweiler would misbehave I would have to punish her just like everybody else with a decent IQ would. If she really fucked up she would get hit by the chain I used as a leash when I walked her. And no, she didn’t get scared of the chain whenever I tried to put it on her.
The “loving boss” approach worked well for me
Some really good advice so far you should have alot to work with. E-collars are fine, it’s no harder than a pack leader would nip him for bad behavior. If you want to be humane about it, hold it in your hand and set it off, kinda like cops having to get tasered and pepper sprayed before they use it. I have wireless fencing with the e-collars.
My dogs have run of the yard and are quite happy. They learn quickly where the boundries are and the beep is more than enough to get them back from the line now.
Pinning may not work for everyone, but if it doesn’t work, the dog is either crazy, which is possible, or the person doing the pinning is not giving off the right vibe so the dog doesn’t believe that he is being dominated. You don’t have to be angry, actually this is one of the worst things you could do. You need to move quickly to the dominant position and then become calm and clear.
Your thought and body language should be that of a calm superior being who is merely controlling this out of control little punk.
If this were a dog who did not know you this would not be an advisable option, you would need to gain a strange dogs trust and acceptance before asserting dominance over him.
The timing note above is also of utmost importance. I don’t even discipline my dogs for bad behavior if I can’t do it within 3 seconds of thier action. Another great training tool is food control, every dog I have ever owned has gooten trained that I or anyone else can walk up to them while they are eating and take the food away from them.
It starts at about 6 months, they start plowing into the food and I grab thier scruff while I pull the food away from them, Most will just try to follow the food and a command like sit will work, when done for a couple weeks, I can tell them to sit while they are eating and they will stop eating and sit. Sometimes a dog will get testy the first couple times you do this.
My little boxer was testy the first time I took his food away, he kept driving and driving for it and when I forced him back away and attempted to push his butt down into a sit position he made a pass at biting my arm, he got pinned and held for 20 minutes. Every attempt he made to move or get up was met with a correction.
The very next time I pulled him back and pulled his food away he sat down eagerly waiting for me to put the dog food back down. This is a 6 month old puppy who will kill a bowl of food in a minute or less.
My past roomates dog was defensive of his food and when my pitt/boxer mix walked by him when she was only about 8 months old, she stopped and looked over, he stopped eating and growled. I was on the other side of the kitchen and too close to correct him, but she didn’t look away, she just stayed there and stared at him, he proceeded to attack her and puonded her into a corner.
I got there only seconds later and separated them, no one was hurt. After that I started food removal on him, he was fine with me taking his food though he didn’t love the idea, so then I started incorporating my dog into the training, pulling his food away and having my dog come over and eat a little bit of it. Then I would stop her from eating it and give it back to him for a little bit, then I would take it away again and give it back to her.
Within a couple of days, they were eating with thier bowls right next to eachother, she would finish first and watch him finish and even grab a peice of two that had fallen out of his bowl to the ground.
The point to all these stories is that dogs are smart and want to please you. They are happiest when they don’t have to be the leader of the house. Hopefully you can use these tips and excercises to help calm your dog down. Also running the crap out of him will be a big help. Especially if you are going to be pinning him. it’s much easier if he gives up in 10 minutes rather than have to have him pinned for 45 minutes.
Another important aspect of the pinning move is the exit from it. When you are satisfied that he is calm and submissive, don’t jump up or start praising him, slowly get off him but don’t back down the dominant pressure on him, keep staring at him and stand tall and straight with your shoulders back. Stare at him until he goes and lays down somewhere or leaves the room. Make him retreat after he just lost.
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Some really good advice so far you should have alot to work with. E-collars are fine, it’s no harder than a pack leader would nip him for bad behavior. If you want to be humane about it, hold it in your hand and set it off, kinda like cops having to get tasered and pepper sprayed before they use it. I have wireless fencing with the e-collars.
My dogs have run of the yard and are quite happy. They learn quickly where the boundries are and the beep is more than enough to get them back from the line now.
Pinning may not work for everyone, but if it doesn’t work, the dog is either crazy, which is possible, or the person doing the pinning is not giving off the right vibe so the dog doesn’t believe that he is being dominated. You don’t have to be angry, actually this is one of the worst things you could do. You need to move quickly to the dominant position and then become calm and clear.
Your thought and body language should be that of a calm superior being who is merely controlling this out of control little punk.
If this were a dog who did not know you this would not be an advisable option, you would need to gain a strange dogs trust and acceptance before asserting dominance over him.
The timing note above is also of utmost importance. I don’t even discipline my dogs for bad behavior if I can’t do it within 3 seconds of thier action. Another great training tool is food control, every dog I have ever owned has gooten trained that I or anyone else can walk up to them while they are eating and take the food away from them.
It starts at about 6 months, they start plowing into the food and I grab thier scruff while I pull the food away from them, Most will just try to follow the food and a command like sit will work, when done for a couple weeks, I can tell them to sit while they are eating and they will stop eating and sit. Sometimes a dog will get testy the first couple times you do this.
My little boxer was testy the first time I took his food away, he kept driving and driving for it and when I forced him back away and attempted to push his butt down into a sit position he made a pass at biting my arm, he got pinned and held for 20 minutes. Every attempt he made to move or get up was met with a correction.
The very next time I pulled him back and pulled his food away he sat down eagerly waiting for me to put the dog food back down. This is a 6 month old puppy who will kill a bowl of food in a minute or less.
My past roomates dog was defensive of his food and when my pitt/boxer mix walked by him when she was only about 8 months old, she stopped and looked over, he stopped eating and growled. I was on the other side of the kitchen and too close to correct him, but she didn’t look away, she just stayed there and stared at him, he proceeded to attack her and puonded her into a corner.
I got there only seconds later and separated them, no one was hurt. After that I started food removal on him, he was fine with me taking his food though he didn’t love the idea, so then I started incorporating my dog into the training, pulling his food away and having my dog come over and eat a little bit of it. Then I would stop her from eating it and give it back to him for a little bit, then I would take it away again and give it back to her.
Within a couple of days, they were eating with thier bowls right next to eachother, she would finish first and watch him finish and even grab a peice of two that had fallen out of his bowl to the ground.
The point to all these stories is that dogs are smart and want to please you. They are happiest when they don’t have to be the leader of the house. Hopefully you can use these tips and excercises to help calm your dog down. Also running the crap out of him will be a big help. Especially if you are going to be pinning him. it’s much easier if he gives up in 10 minutes rather than have to have him pinned for 45 minutes.
Another important aspect of the pinning move is the exit from it. When you are satisfied that he is calm and submissive, don’t jump up or start praising him, slowly get off him but don’t back down the dominant pressure on him, keep staring at him and stand tall and straight with your shoulders back. Stare at him until he goes and lays down somewhere or leaves the room. Make him retreat after he just lost.
V[/quote]
Ceasar Milan, is that you?
[quote]ucallthatbass wrote:
Ceasar Milan, is that you?[/quote]
I certainly have adopted some of his protocols. There are a lot of people who actually bash him, most are vets and dog trainers and whatnot. But the guy gets results. His methods make sense, and one of the biggest take home messages with him is that it’s more about the people than it is the dogs, which is absolutely true.
V
[quote]Vegita wrote:
ucallthatbass wrote:
Ceasar Milan, is that you?
I certainly have adopted some of his protocols. There are a lot of people who actually bash him, most are vets and dog trainers and whatnot. But the guy gets results. His methods make sense, and one of the biggest take home messages with him is that it’s more about the people than it is the dogs, which is absolutely true.
V[/quote]
Yeah I agree.
But when he’s had to work with dogs specifically, such as the bomb dog who had PTSD, he did a great job there as well. Tons more than what a typical dog trainer would be able to do.
I personally know two people who were attacked unprovoked by their chows. One got away with a few scratches and the other had to get his face stitched up. As someone who owns and breeds pits [Razors Edge], I’m hesitant to pin negative behavior on a specific breed, but there seems to be a fair amount of anectdotal evidence suggesting chows have a screw loose.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I think it’s truly fucking hilarious that if a dog get’s pissed off just once people are suggesting killing it, how retarded. Some real good dog owners we have here.
Killing a child and ripping someone to bits? Please…[/quote]
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I think it’s truly fucking hilarious that if a dog get’s pissed off just once people are suggesting killing it, how retarded. Some real good dog owners we have here.
Killing a child and ripping someone to bits? Please…[/quote]
Hilarious? Yea. A child in my neighborhood was mauled to death by a chow mix last year. In my neighborhood, such cases happen at least twice every summer. Maybe it’s an acceptable risk to you?
Nonetheless, though I haven’t owned a dog since I was twelve, I did suggest the OP talk to his veterinarian. They usually know a little bit about dogs…
[quote]sluicy wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:
sluicy wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:
I know you love your dog but he’s dangerous to you and to anyone who comes within range of him. Veterinarians see this a lot and my suggestion is that you speak to yours right away. Your dog could have ripped you to bits while you were sleeping. What if he gets out and kills a neighbor’s child? Your dog doesn’t know his own mind and is dangerous. You have to put aside your guilt as you consider the safety of everyone.
I’m sorry. I know this is painful.
You obviously don’t know anything about dogs. The dog does absolutely “know his own mind” and that’s why he did what he did.
You’re right. Don’t know a thing about dogs. Except that this one is dangerous and I know I wouldn’t risk it hurting someone.
He has exhibited aggressive behavior most likely from a sense of dominance. I regret making the blanket statement which I did, and I’m sorry, because I don’t know what you know about dogs. However, the fact remains that the statements you made in your post indicated quite a bit of misinformation, or lack of information, as to what generally prompts aggression in dogs. [/quote]
No, I gotcha. I’m a huge animal lover (big fan of Dog Town… The Michael Vick Dogs) so I’m all for trying anything before euthanasia.
It may be a very different thing but I have a psycho cat whose personality changes at the drop of a hat. He bites, gets very violent towards other cats… I raised him from a tiny kitten and know nothing about his parentage but the boy definitely has a screw loose. With him, it’s all about reading the signals when he starts heading to Crazy Town, then trying to contain the damage. But when he’s a lover…
He’s a lot of work, though. If he were dangerous to other people I’d have to consider them.
[quote]SirenSongWoman wrote:
sluicy wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:
sluicy wrote:
SirenSongWoman wrote:
I know you love your dog but he’s dangerous to you and to anyone who comes within range of him. Veterinarians see this a lot and my suggestion is that you speak to yours right away. Your dog could have ripped you to bits while you were sleeping. What if he gets out and kills a neighbor’s child? Your dog doesn’t know his own mind and is dangerous. You have to put aside your guilt as you consider the safety of everyone.
I’m sorry. I know this is painful.
You obviously don’t know anything about dogs. The dog does absolutely “know his own mind” and that’s why he did what he did.
You’re right. Don’t know a thing about dogs. Except that this one is dangerous and I know I wouldn’t risk it hurting someone.
He has exhibited aggressive behavior most likely from a sense of dominance. I regret making the blanket statement which I did, and I’m sorry, because I don’t know what you know about dogs. However, the fact remains that the statements you made in your post indicated quite a bit of misinformation, or lack of information, as to what generally prompts aggression in dogs.
No, I gotcha. I’m a huge animal lover (big fan of Dog Town… The Michael Vick Dogs) so I’m all for trying anything before euthanasia.
It may be a very different thing but I have a psycho cat whose personality changes at the drop of a hat. He bites, gets very violent towards other cats… I raised him from a tiny kitten and know nothing about his parentage but the boy definitely has a screw loose. With him, it’s all about reading the signals when he starts heading to Crazy Town, then trying to contain the damage. But when he’s a lover…
He’s a lot of work, though. If he were dangerous to other people I’d have to consider them.[/quote]
I think you’ve made the right choice sticking with cats.