My Current Cycle

Pharma
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So here is my cycle i am using at the moment, for your interest/comments/flames!

Nandrolone 300mg/wkly x 8wks
Cypionate 500mg/wkly x 10wks
Letrozole as and when

postcycle Letro and nolva

Now before i get it in the neck… i am on a budget, so i already had the Deca, and the letrozole is about 10x cheaper than arimidex and i am sensitive to gyno.

I cannot afford HCG or Clomid sadly, but i will be doing a taper over a matter of weeks with the test (a stasis taper as a matter of fact lads!)

I am new to this board so here is my intro…

I am 5’ 8" and a mere 180lbs, with approx. 13% (i use calipers) i look decent, you can tell i lift seriously in full clothing, which i like. My gains have not started from this cycle yet, which means that i am at my base condition pretty much, but we’ll see how i improve on that.

I have trained for 14 years, but had a serious heroin problem that has hampered my gains for many of those. These days i do not do drugs or smoke or drink, i am cleaner than most others and healthy.
I have trained seriously for the past 4 years i would say and my knowledge is decent. I am a PT. A good one. Not a “functional” twat.

Any questions? Good.

Joe

Thinking of competing for the first time late this year or next.

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From what I’ve been told deca needs to be run for at least 12 weeks. And then test another 2 weeks on top of that.

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I am not experienced enough with the compounds you are using to comment on your specific cycle, what concerns me is your lack of funds to afford Adex.

If things are so tigh how are you going to afford all the extra supplements, protien powders and food that you should also be comnsuming to aid improvments with your physique.

P.S. well done on getting off herioin that is a major acheivement. I also would be very interested to see some pictures of your physique.

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So I guess that’s not you in your avatar.

I have run a Nandrolone/Cyp combo three times myself. The first two with your exact dosages 300/500. So that’s good. I do concur with the above point that 8 weeks is brief for Deca. If you have the gear to extend them out another 2-4 weeks I think that would be best. You did know to run Cyp 2 weeks past Nandrolone though so that is good too.

If you are sensitive to gyno you might be cautious for nor19 gyno usually it comes from tren moreso than deca. 300mg of Deca and 800mg total puts you on the fringe of risk especially if your previous experience says you are a candidate for gyno.

With these two long estered products a taper is prudent likely 6 weeks of stasis depending on exactly how long you extended the deca and cyp.

Hopefully you will eat and train well enough to support the gear you’re on. Nan/Cyp is a nice combo for size and strength.

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[quote]Joe Brook wrote:

postcycle Letro and nolva

I cannot afford HCG or Clomid sadly, but i will be doing a taper over a matter of weeks with the test (a stasis taper as a matter of fact lads!)

Joe

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You mention using Letro and nolv for PCT. But then you also say you will be using a test stasis taper over “a matter of weeks”. This needs to be straightened out a little. If you run the test taper you will need 10-12 weeks before your PCT is over. The nolv can be run during the actual taper but letro should be left out. If you cannot get additional test than just forget the taper and run your conventional PCT.

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[quote]Electric_E wrote:
I am not experienced enough with the compounds you are using to comment on your specific cycle, what concerns me is your lack of funds to afford Adex.

If things are so tigh how are you going to afford all the extra supplements, protien powders and food that you should also be comnsuming to aid improvments with your physique.

P.S. well done on getting off herioin that is a major acheivement. I also would be very interested to see some pictures of your physique.[/quote]

I obviously use protein powder, etc… i dont count all the supps i am on under “steroids”

plus, why are you concerned i cannot afford arimidex? Do you even know what letrozole is?

I will post some pics as soon as i can get some quality ones taken

joe

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[quote]2thepain wrote:
Joe Brook wrote:

postcycle Letro and nolva

I cannot afford HCG or Clomid sadly, but i will be doing a taper over a matter of weeks with the test (a stasis taper as a matter of fact lads!)

Joe

You mention using Letro and nolv for PCT. But then you also say you will be using a test stasis taper over “a matter of weeks”. This needs to be straightened out a little. If you run the test taper you will need 10-12 weeks before your PCT is over. The nolv can be run during the actual taper but letro should be left out. If you cannot get additional test than just forget the taper and run your conventional PCT.[/quote]

What you say is true, that is confused. i will be running the test taper - the first time i have done one, with the nolvadex. After this if i do not have a satisfactory libido etc, i will use tiny doses of let. to bring it up… failing that i am sure i will be able to get HCG by then!

joe

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[quote]sapasion wrote:
So I guess that’s not you in your avatar.

I have run a Nandrolone/Cyp combo three times myself. The first two with your exact dosages 300/500. So that’s good. I do concur with the above point that 8 weeks is brief for Deca. If you have the gear to extend them out another 2-4 weeks I think that would be best. You did know to run Cyp 2 weeks past Nandrolone though so that is good too.

If you are sensitive to gyno you might be cautious for nor19 gyno usually it comes from tren moreso than deca. 300mg of Deca and 800mg total puts you on the fringe of risk especially if your previous experience says you are a candidate for gyno.

With these two long estered products a taper is prudent likely 6 weeks of stasis depending on exactly how long you extended the deca and cyp.

Hopefully you will eat and train well enough to support the gear you’re on. Nan/Cyp is a nice combo for size and strength.[/quote]

I have used gear enough times to know how my body reacts to certain side effects. I find that deca alone in doseages of around 500mg+ does give me swollen nips - but a little nolva takes care of that, and with test the letrozole sorts the aromitization of test so well the progestrogenic activity does not seem to have a chance.

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[quote]ZZZ747 wrote:
From what I’ve been told deca needs to be run for at least 12 weeks. And then test another 2 weeks on top of that.[/quote]

From what you have been told?? Give me a break.

Anyway, i agree… the gains would be better on a 12 week cycle as they start very late on a nandrolone cycle - week 4 at least for me, which does only give 2 weeks - kinda 3 - of real work… However, it was some left over i had and it is particularly weak sachet shit, that is simply not worth taking at 200mg. Eco-oils anyone?

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[quote]sapasion wrote:
So I guess that’s not you in your avatar.

I have run a Nandrolone/Cyp combo three times myself. The first two with your exact dosages 300/500. So that’s good. I do concur with the above point that 8 weeks is brief for Deca. If you have the gear to extend them out another 2-4 weeks I think that would be best. You did know to run Cyp 2 weeks past Nandrolone though so that is good too.

If you are sensitive to gyno you might be cautious for nor19 gyno usually it comes from tren moreso than deca. 300mg of Deca and 800mg total puts you on the fringe of risk especially if your previous experience says you are a candidate for gyno.

With these two long estered products a taper is prudent likely 6 weeks of stasis depending on exactly how long you extended the deca and cyp.

Hopefully you will eat and train well enough to support the gear you’re on. Nan/Cyp is a nice combo for size and strength.[/quote]

Also mate, i wish it were me! I used that because for some reason i find this bloke to have something about his physique that alot of the other pros do not have, that kinda dry muscularity - i really havent seen that before.

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[quote]Joe Brook wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
I am not experienced enough with the compounds you are using to comment on your specific cycle, what concerns me is your lack of funds to afford Adex.

If things are so tigh how are you going to afford all the extra supplements, protien powders and food that you should also be comnsuming to aid improvments with your physique.

P.S. well done on getting off herioin that is a major acheivement. I also would be very interested to see some pictures of your physique.

I obviously use protein powder, etc… i dont count all the supps i am on under “steroids”

plus, why are you concerned i cannot afford arimidex? Do you even know what letrozole is?

I will post some pics as soon as i can get some quality ones taken

joe[/quote]

I wasn’t trying to say that protien powders are steroids, I was pointing out that they are expensive and you seem to be a bit skint and trying to a cycle on a budget which is never good.

Sorry I wrote Adex by mistake, it was in your post that you said you cannot afford HCG and clomid, which is not a problem if your taper works well, and personally I think clomid is shit anyway, and HCG is not important. But it led me to thinking that if you cannot afford these two very cheap cpmpounds, do you have enough money for everything else?

And I know what letro is yes cheers.

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[quote]Electric_E wrote:
Joe Brook wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
I am not experienced enough with the compounds you are using to comment on your specific cycle, what concerns me is your lack of funds to afford Adex.

If things are so tigh how are you going to afford all the extra supplements, protien powders and food that you should also be comnsuming to aid improvments with your physique.

P.S. well done on getting off herioin that is a major acheivement. I also would be very interested to see some pictures of your physique.

I obviously use protein powder, etc… i dont count all the supps i am on under “steroids”

plus, why are you concerned i cannot afford arimidex? Do you even know what letrozole is?

I will post some pics as soon as i can get some quality ones taken

joe

I wasn’t trying to say that protien powders are steroids, I was pointing out that they are expensive and you seem to be a bit skint and trying to a cycle on a budget which is never good.

Sorry I wrote Adex by mistake, it was in your post that you said you cannot afford HCG and clomid, which is not a problem if your taper works well, and personally I think clomid is shit anyway, and HCG is not important. But it led me to thinking that if you cannot afford these two very cheap cpmpounds, do you have enough money for everything else?

And I know what letro is yes cheers.

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Look. it seems we both got our wires crossed… let me clear shit up.

I always have shit loads of protein powder, creatine etc… ALWAYS. As standard. My diet is always considered and training consistent and hard.

As for my gear, i had the Deca already, and only paid a little for the test (less than £2 an amp of 250mg) and letrozole (which due to the adex comment i obviously assumed you didnt know what it was) - with letrozole effective at .5mg a day, and £1 per 2.5mg it really is worth it.

While HCG and Clomid are cheap products i had everything already… so while if i waited i could have stretched to buying these items which i would have liked - as you can see with my choices it wasnt totally necessary due to the fact i could do a taper or use the nolvadex.

Maybe it was the way i put it in the first post! I apologise for any confusion…

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I would much rather use a-dex or aromasin any day over letro. IMO it hinders gains too much. I agree the sachets are weak, particularly from that source. but it would really be best if you could extend the deca 2 more weeks to 10 and test to 12, while it wouldnt make a WORLD of difference, i DO think you would see a bigger change (well obviously)

Also if doing the taper you should not be using nolva during stasis, if you do only during the actual taper portion. You also state the deca alone above 500mg/week gives you gyno…may i ask why you ever had deca alone in your system? But overall it should put on some mass for you, pretty basic mass cycle

game
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[quote]Game_over wrote:
I would much rather use a-dex or aromasin any day over letro. IMO it hinders gains too much. I agree the sachets are weak, particularly from that source. but it would really be best if you could extend the deca 2 more weeks to 10 and test to 12, while it wouldnt make a WORLD of difference, i DO think you would see a bigger change (well obviously) Also if doing the taper you should not be using nolva during stasis, if you do only during the actual taper portion. You also state the deca alone above 500mg/week gives you gyno…may i ask why you ever had deca alone in your system? But overall it should put on some mass for you, pretty basic mass cycle

game [/quote]

OK mate i will do as you suggest re: the nolvadex.

I haven’t used letrozole before and i was aware it was a harsher, stronger product than adex, but as i said, cost etc… it really worked out cheaper - by a lot. I will try not to use it too much if it hampers gains tho. cheers.

I am afraid i have used deca on a couple of occasions alone - as an ill-informed newbie… and believe me, i paid the price. you know what i mean!

But for the first cycle i used it alone, it was a good steroid. organon, 200mg a week, 10 weeks, good solid gains which i kept and libido returned after only a little coaxing… :wink:

Joe

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i have a couple friends who have done deca only because they didnt know better and also reported some good gains but as you know especially for a new guy 19nor shutdown can be ScArY! So any new guy reading DONT DO THAT. As far as the letro goes there is a thread on letro users and pris chimes in a little bit i would definitely check that one out.
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2062895

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[quote]Joe Brook wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
Joe Brook wrote:
Electric_E wrote:
I am not experienced enough with the compounds you are using to comment on your specific cycle, what concerns me is your lack of funds to afford Adex.

If things are so tigh how are you going to afford all the extra supplements, protien powders and food that you should also be comnsuming to aid improvments with your physique.

P.S. well done on getting off herioin that is a major acheivement. I also would be very interested to see some pictures of your physique.

I obviously use protein powder, etc… i dont count all the supps i am on under “steroids”

plus, why are you concerned i cannot afford arimidex? Do you even know what letrozole is?

I will post some pics as soon as i can get some quality ones taken

joe

I wasn’t trying to say that protien powders are steroids, I was pointing out that they are expensive and you seem to be a bit skint and trying to a cycle on a budget which is never good.

Sorry I wrote Adex by mistake, it was in your post that you said you cannot afford HCG and clomid, which is not a problem if your taper works well, and personally I think clomid is shit anyway, and HCG is not important. But it led me to thinking that if you cannot afford these two very cheap cpmpounds, do you have enough money for everything else?

And I know what letro is yes cheers.

Look. it seems we both got our wires crossed… let me clear shit up.

I always have shit loads of protein powder, creatine etc… ALWAYS. As standard. My diet is always considered and training consistent and hard.

As for my gear, i had the Deca already, and only paid a little for the test (less than £2 an amp of 250mg) and letrozole (which due to the adex comment i obviously assumed you didnt know what it was) - with letrozole effective at .5mg a day, and £1 per 2.5mg it really is worth it.
While HCG and Clomid are cheap products i had everything already… so while if i waited i could have stretched to buying these items which i would have liked - as you can see with my choices it wasnt totally necessary due to the fact i could do a taper or use the nolvadex.

Maybe it was the way i put it in the first post! I apologise for any confusion…
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I was not having a go, I wrote wdex for some strange reason my fault.

I was just concerned that you might be rushing into a cycle without having enough funds to do it right, for example HCG and clomid will cost you around 40 quid, I spend about an extra 40 quid on food per week when bulking.

Anyway you have all your shit together so no worries there then, also for what it’s worth IMO

Novla is better than clomid

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Adex is better than letro

Cheers

peace