My 9/11 Research

Lonnie123 · February 7, 2008, 12:14am

I dont understand how its easier for the amount of people the “truthers” say to be in on it vs. a small group of 20-25 guys conspiring amongst themselves to do it.

Its very simple to pull off this stunt when you only have 20-25 guys organizing it in a small group. It goes a little something like this:

“Hey guys, on thurday we are going to hijack planes and fly them into the WTC’s”

Hell, even then Enron scandal was leaked with only a handful of people. Watergate was leaked with a small amount of people. Clintons BJ was leaked with only a small amount of people.

The Truthers however have to admit that almost EVERYONE was in on it for the following reasons:

-The Bush Administration, who failed at everything they ever did. Yet all of them and the people below are helping him cover up the largest mass murder in US history... Some of them like Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neil have come out for less.

-The NYC Fire fighters who know more about building collapses than most, if not all, of them. It's their LIFE to know. Literally! Yet they don't call for an investigation into the MASS MURDER of over 300 of their brothers... Why? (The twisting of these peoplesï¿½?? statements for donations and DVD sales sickens me.) We have uncovered the myth about a gag order imposed on all fire fighters. Only 9/11 conspiracy sites say this. ONE person who sued Bush for not taking action before the event is ordered by the court not to speak to the media about the case. This is not imposing a gag order on the whole fire department as some of these sites claim. They are lying to cover up this mass murder by the government or the building owner. Why? They don't even know...

Conspiracy theorists bring up an article in Fire House magazine which says the fire department wanted to stop the steel from being sold in order to test the fire proofing and other non-bomb/controlled demolition related investigations. They twist the articleï¿½??s context to make it seem like the firefighters questioned the idea that fire brought down the towers.

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Many of these men and women come from the military, yet we are to believe they are so afraid they rather die in the governmentï¿½??s next mass murder than come out and expose this.

-The courts for imposing a gag order [SEE above]

-The NYC Police department who lost over 20 lives. They didn't ask for an investigation. Motive? None...

-The NYC port Authority who lost personnel. Motive?

-All the people in the Pentagon who have not called for an investigation. Many who are liberal and centrist. They did or said nothing while people supposedly trucked in airplane parts to cover the crime. Why? Again, no answer...

-The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11 who would rather have investigations of the decisions which led to the terrorist getting away with this. They don't want to waste time investigating the mass murder of their loved ones. Even the Jersey Girls. Why? They say it's the money... [note: Whenever killing someone, pay off the relative. They wonï¿½??t say anything.]

-The media (This one I almost believe) who doesn't follow up on the biggest mass murder and conspiracy in American history. It seems no one wants a Nobel prize for journalism. Not only the American media but foreign press like the BBC and Al Jazeera. Why? No answer here either...

-The photographers from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns. These photos support the NIST hypothesis that the sagging trusses lead to the collapse. Some photos also show the core intact shortly after collapse which also not only support the NIST hypothesis but discredits the "Controlled demolition" account.

-Popular Mechanics who debunked these sites are also helping Bush commit the biggest mass murder in history.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

-PBS Nova since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

-Everyone in the NIST who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This independent organization doesn't have a moral person in hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing this so called "Conspiracy". In fact, the hundreds of scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in American history. Some suggest only a handful can do the job but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the computer modeling has to be in sync with the team of structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved in this investigation and every team has to work with other teams using the same evidence and specifications.

-NY Governor Pataki because he sold steel from the WTC for the construction of the USS New York. If the argument is the government sold the steel in order to cover up the crime then Pataki is one of the criminals.

-The NY city scrap yards because they also sold steel to China before all of it was tested. Bush would have needed to call them up and tell them to sell it before they could have investigated every beam. A task which would have taken years and years not to mention millions more. Ironically the republican Mayor Bloomberg could not be involved since he asked the scrap yards not to sell the steel on behalf of the firefighters.

-EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire. If laymen can prove things just by looking at videos and reading interviews out of context, then all those structural engineers MUST be working for Bush right? Even the ones in other countries. Why? The answer they give is that the engineers don't know about Jonesï¿½?? work. So in all this time no one has e-mailed Jones' work to any structural engineer?

-Structure Magazine who published a report saying the collapse of WTC 7 may have been due to one column failing.

-The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down. (Like me) They're helping a neo-con cover-up the largest mass murder in this nationï¿½??s history. Why? No clue...

-The CIA

-The FBI

-FEMA

-The American Society of  Civil Engineers who have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorists say is impossible is possible.

-NORAD

-The FAA who saw planes which conspiracy theorists say never existed.

-The Silverstein Group who they say got together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money.

-Silverstein's Insurance Company who didn't question the collapse and paid out over 2 billion to Silverstein. Why? Conspiracy Theorists say the insurance company just wants to pass on the bill to the public but they already fought Silverstein in a number of law suits concerning the amount.

-American Airlines (Pentagon)

-United Airlines (Pentagon)

-Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport for losing the planes

-Scientists and engineers who developed the remote control plane technology

-Installers of the remote control devices in the planes (Pentagon)

-Remote controllers of the planes (Pentagon)

-Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work.

-Installers of the demolitions devices in the three buildings

-People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover

-Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers (Pentagon)

-Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones. (Pentagon)

-People who detonated the buildings

-anyone who thinks the conspiracy is a diversion to take liberal activist focus off of real crimes.

Even conspiracies with a few people are doomed. The more people you involve, the more likely the conspiracy will fall apart. The amount of people needed for this conspiracy could fill one of the towers. It's absurd to think this many people could keep a mass murder for Bush secret for this long. Absurd...

jj_dude · February 7, 2008, 12:49am

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I dont understand how its easier for the amount of people the “truthers” say to be in on it vs. a small group of 20-25 guys conspiring amongst themselves to do it.[/quote]

I really enjoyed your post Lonnie. Now I’ll tell of a small conspiracy I know of that involved a friend of my Father’s.

This was during an uprising in the Congo in 1960. Several hostages (nuns, as I recall) had been taken and the US government wanted to help get them out but did not want any public entanglements. So a friend of my Father’s named R, a pilot, was asked to go in covertly. He agreed out of humanitarian reasons.

This meant that he and his crew resigned from the US Air Force so there would be no official record of him. They went in (a few interesting stories about being shot at by Lumumba’s and Mobutu’s tropps, but let’s keep it short) and managed to get everyone out.

This is where the fun begins. When he got back, he tried to re-enlist (the re-enlistment center wasn’t in on it, just whatever obscure branch of special ops). Nope. He’d been gone for a couple of months and they told him that a gap like that could mean he was in prison. He had to prove where he was. Moreover, he had contracted some pathogen and was in serious need of medical attention. Again, not one lick of help came from the government because he couldn’t prove he got it during a government op.

So here was a loyal officer with a Kafka-esque bureaucracy and what did he do? He threatened to expose them, but by then it was too late since someone else had leaked the whole thing to the press. He got back in the AF and got health care. Whole thing took a bit more than 2 months from start to finish, as I recall.

The point is that a low-level op (this was just half a dozen people flying nuns out of Africa for Chrissake!) was compromised almost immediately by everyone involved.

This is why 9/11 conspiracy buffs get the evil eye from me. I doubt the government could pull off any operation of that magnitude at all, let alone get it right in every detail.

– jj

Limbic · February 7, 2008, 1:04am

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I dont understand how its easier for the amount of people the “truthers” say to be in on it vs. a small group of 20-25 guys conspiring amongst themselves to do it.

Its very simple to pull off this stunt when you only have 20-25 guys organizing it in a small group. It goes a little something like this:

-The FBI


-NORAD

-The FAA

Absurd…

[/quote]

Geez, Lon, you appear to have devoted some time to the defense of those who should have? Very good.

Perhaps Lon can tell us why the FBI chose not to pursue investigations of wealthy Saudis linked to the hijackers. Why does Lon feel that is? Lack of morals, or was it patriotism? Or is that choice of theirs patriotism itself?

Then you mention NORAD, which is the Air Force itself. Does Lon feel the Air Force somehow missed its only task on that day? It had not done so for decades before even once. Yet on that day they missed it 4 fucking times and Lon can’t even mention it once in his preparation?

The FAA. Staffed by many ex-Air Force members. They also fumbled the ball yet feel comfortable with their silence that day. Is Lon troubled by that?

A bunch of rag-tag religious-disguised organized criminals can defeat billions of US tax dollars because chains of command are so inept as to render the billions worthless, and nobody’s head rolls: Lon feels good with that, too?

Lon is cutting slack for all but the “truthers”. Let’s see if he’ll commit: Lon, have you cut your slack, too? Form it up.

DrSkeptix · February 7, 2008, 1:38am

[quote]Limbic wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
Skeptical Training 101:

Barrister’s quote from a couple of posts above should have given you pause, the one questioning how unlikely is it that factions in our government/military could have done this: any more unlikely that “an al-Qaeda terror group” could have performed such a large-scale project.

The malignancy is yours: upend the rational and feel good in your “community”'s trust in government. Pathetic.

Now convince your buddies it’s time to close ranks …

LOL[/quote]

You, sonny, are an imbecile. Look up the word in a dictionary.
My views have nothing to do with “trusting the government.” That is always abundantly clear. Instead, I have done something of which it seems your are incapable: I have done my reading, I know the difference between facts and crap, and I have exercised independent judgment. And because you only perpetuate lies and misinformation, you are a malignant imbecile.

It is as simple as that.

Now, sonny, because you are unworthy of my attention, you are to read Lawrence Wright’s book (presuming you know what a book is), The Looming Tower, and post a book report. Then my “buddies” and I will let you play again.

But first, call Mummy and Daddy–you know, the big people who provide you with your basement–and tell them that home-schooling was not such a good idea.

BostonBarrister · February 7, 2008, 2:17am

[quote]Limbic wrote:
…

Barrister’s quote from a couple of posts above should have given you pause, the one questioning how unlikely is it that factions in our government/military could have done this: any more unlikely that “an al-Qaeda terror group” could have performed such a large-scale project.

The malignancy is yours: upend the rational and feel good in your “community”'s trust in government. Pathetic.

Now convince your buddies it’s time to close ranks …

LOL[/quote]

No, no, no.

This is the quote:

The thought that a huge secret mystery group could bring down the World Trade Center, push America into war and get away with it is scary, yes. But is it any scarier than getting the same nasty result from the actions of a single wealthy Middle Eastern psychopath with a few suicidal friends?

The author’s point was that reality is scarier than ridiculous conspiracy theories.

BostonBarrister · February 7, 2008, 2:22am

[quote]jj-dude wrote:
…

The point is that a low-level op (this was just half a dozen people flying nuns out of Africa for Chrissake!) was compromised almost immediately by everyone involved.

This is why 9/11 conspiracy buffs get the evil eye from me. I doubt the government could pull off any operation of that magnitude at all, let alone get it right in every detail.

– jj[/quote]

Excellent post - this is the functional reality that seems to escape those fixated on ginormous, cross-departmental, cross-branch conspiracy theories.

I mean, how likely is it that the Bush Administration, which couldn’t keep the lid on a simply electronic international wiretapping program, could co-opt Congress and the military into a conspiracy of the size and scope that would have been necessary to pull off 9/11 from the inside?

Limbic · February 7, 2008, 2:28am

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Limbic wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
Skeptical Training 101:

Barrister’s quote from a couple of posts above should have given you pause, the one questioning how unlikely is it that factions in our government/military could have done this: any more unlikely that “an al-Qaeda terror group” could have performed such a large-scale project.

The malignancy is yours: upend the rational and feel good in your “community”'s trust in government. Pathetic.

Now convince your buddies it’s time to close ranks …

LOL

You, sonny, are an imbecile. Look up the word in a dictionary.
My views have nothing to do with “trusting the government.” That is always abundantly clear. Instead, I have done something of which it seems your are incapable: I have done my reading, I know the difference between facts and crap, and I have exercised independent judgment. And because you only perpetuate lies and misinformation, you are a malignant imbecile.

It is as simple as that.

Now, sonny, because you are unworthy of my attention, you are to read Lawrence Wright’s book (presuming you know what a book is), The Looming Tower, and post a book report. Then my “buddies” and I will let you play again.

But first, call Mummy and Daddy–you know, the big people who provide you with your basement–and tell them that home-schooling was not such a good idea.[/quote]

LOL Basements, blah blah … If memory serves you are little more than a recycled halfwit from a few years back with a different username. Don’t tell me, when somebody cuts through the BS you and your buddies maintain you do the following: because you have access to this info (!), you call IP service providers and impersonate law enforcement, say from Colorado Springs, and claim individuals at such and such addresses are spamming or trolling on this website.

You request as much info from the providers as you can bluff out of them, take what they give you and share it with your buds on t. You then pretend you’ve discovered something of any importance.

And lastly, “malignant”: that’s one of JeffR’s favorite labels, isn’t it? You could be him? Or are you jjdude? Or?

LOL

Limbic · February 7, 2008, 2:36am

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Limbic wrote:
…

Barrister’s quote from a couple of posts above should have given you pause, the one questioning how unlikely is it that factions in our government/military could have done this: any more unlikely that “an al-Qaeda terror group” could have performed such a large-scale project.

The malignancy is yours: upend the rational and feel good in your “community”'s trust in government. Pathetic.

Now convince your buddies it’s time to close ranks …

LOL

No, no, no.

This is the quote:

The thought that a huge secret mystery group could bring down the World Trade Center, push America into war and get away with it is scary, yes. But is it any scarier than getting the same nasty result from the actions of a single wealthy Middle Eastern psychopath with a few suicidal friends?

The author’s point was that reality is scarier than ridiculous conspiracy theories.[/quote]

I was aware of the quote, and that it read two or more ways. You have to ask yourself what was required to truly make it possible. That is? You had to get the time-tested response patterns to stand down, the Air Force/FAA roles. And that they did. Chain of command “broken” by conincidental war games, as if all of FAA’s computers were slaved to the games. Not likely. Nor all AF’s systems. You wouldn’t want to assert that, would you? Point is is the group wasn’t huge. Dark, not huge.

DrSkeptix · February 7, 2008, 2:56am

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Limbic wrote:
…

Barrister’s quote from a couple of posts above should have given you pause, the one questioning how unlikely is it that factions in our government/military could have done this: any more unlikely that “an al-Qaeda terror group” could have performed such a large-scale project.

The malignancy is yours: upend the rational and feel good in your “community”'s trust in government. Pathetic.

Now convince your buddies it’s time to close ranks …

LOL

No, no, no.

This is the quote:

The thought that a huge secret mystery group could bring down the World Trade Center, push America into war and get away with it is scary, yes. But is it any scarier than getting the same nasty result from the actions of a single wealthy Middle Eastern psychopath with a few suicidal friends?

The author’s point was that reality is scarier than ridiculous conspiracy theories.[/quote]

Precisely, BB.
Reality is more frightening than the drivel of the ConspiraTrolls. But do not falsely ascribe to them any capacity to read and understand; they show none.

(Witness again that idiot Limbic, above.)

Understanding the simple truth about 9/11–what you and sloth and Lonnie have attempted to show–would lead to understanding of the real threat to the United States and the West. But the ConspiraTrolls would rather grovel in their fantasies, because it is far safer than reality.

Limbic · February 7, 2008, 3:00am

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
jj-dude wrote:
…

The point is that a low-level op (this was just half a dozen people flying nuns out of Africa for Chrissake!) was compromised almost immediately by everyone involved.

This is why 9/11 conspiracy buffs get the evil eye from me. I doubt the government could pull off any operation of that magnitude at all, let alone get it right in every detail.

– jj

Excellent post - this is the functional reality that seems to escape those fixated on ginormous, cross-departmental, cross-branch conspiracy theories.

I mean, how likely is it that the Bush Administration, which couldn’t keep the lid on a simply electronic international wiretapping program, could co-opt Congress and the military into a conspiracy of the size and scope that would have been necessary to pull off 9/11 from the inside?[/quote]

They “couldn’t keep the lid” because their yield from the program surpassed their needs, and it was time to bother some domestics, americans. Blackmail machinery and the timing of its usage. No need to be coy.

Limbic · February 7, 2008, 3:04am

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Limbic wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
Skeptical Training 101:

Barrister’s quote from a couple of posts above should have given you pause, the one questioning how unlikely is it that factions in our government/military could have done this: any more unlikely that “an al-Qaeda terror group” could have performed such a large-scale project.

The malignancy is yours: upend the rational and feel good in your “community”'s trust in government. Pathetic.

Now convince your buddies it’s time to close ranks …

LOL

You, sonny, are an imbecile. Look up the word in a dictionary.
My views have nothing to do with “trusting the government.” That is always abundantly clear. Instead, I have done something of which it seems your are incapable: I have done my reading, I know the difference between facts and crap, and I have exercised independent judgment. And because you only perpetuate lies and misinformation, you are a malignant imbecile.

It is as simple as that.

Now, sonny, because you are unworthy of my attention, you are to read Lawrence Wright’s book (presuming you know what a book is), The Looming Tower, and post a book report. Then my “buddies” and I will let you play again.

But first, call Mummy and Daddy–you know, the big people who provide you with your basement–and tell them that home-schooling was not such a good idea.[/quote]

I doubt your book is any better than Steven Coll’s Ghost Wars, or this website, for that matter:

Limbic · February 7, 2008, 3:09am

[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
Limbic wrote:
…

Barrister’s quote from a couple of posts above should have given you pause, the one questioning how unlikely is it that factions in our government/military could have done this: any more unlikely that “an al-Qaeda terror group” could have performed such a large-scale project.

The malignancy is yours: upend the rational and feel good in your “community”'s trust in government. Pathetic.

Now convince your buddies it’s time to close ranks …

LOL

No, no, no.

This is the quote:

The thought that a huge secret mystery group could bring down the World Trade Center, push America into war and get away with it is scary, yes. But is it any scarier than getting the same nasty result from the actions of a single wealthy Middle Eastern psychopath with a few suicidal friends?

The author’s point was that reality is scarier than ridiculous conspiracy theories.

Precisely, BB.
Reality is more frightening than the drivel of the ConspiraTrolls. But do not falsely ascribe to them any capacity to read and understand; they show none.

(Witness again that idiot Limbic, above.)

Understanding the simple truth about 9/11–what you and sloth and Lonnie have attempted to show–would lead to understanding of the real threat to the United States and the West. But the ConspiraTrolls would rather grovel in their fantasies, because it is far safer than reality.
[/quote]

Barrister’s quote from the Johns Hopkins event is far more clever than I think you are even remotely aware of. I was quite impressed with it. You missed it to-date. Re-read, LOL.

Lonnie123 · February 7, 2008, 3:52am

[quote]Limbic wrote:

Geez, Lon, you appear to have devoted some time to the defense of those who should have? Very good.

Perhaps Lon can tell us why the FBI chose not to pursue investigations of wealthy Saudis linked to the hijackers. Why does Lon feel that is? Lack of morals, or was it patriotism? Or is that choice of theirs patriotism itself?

Then you mention NORAD, which is the Air Force itself. Does Lon feel the Air Force somehow missed its only task on that day? It had not done so for decades before even once. Yet on that day they missed it 4 fucking times and Lon can’t even mention it once in his preparation?

The FAA. Staffed by many ex-Air Force members. They also fumbled the ball yet feel comfortable with their silence that day. Is Lon troubled by that?

A bunch of rag-tag religious-disguised organized criminals can defeat billions of US tax dollars because chains of command are so inept as to render the billions worthless, and nobody’s head rolls: Lon feels good with that, too?

Lon is cutting slack for all but the “truthers”. Let’s see if he’ll commit: Lon, have you cut your slack, too? Form it up.[/quote]

In the interest of full disclosure, the list I posted above was written by someone else on another website (debunking911.com), I simply happen to agree with its tenets and its content so intsted of retyping the whole thing myself, I copied and pasted it here.

This will be a long post, so bear with me. Please elaborate on what you feel the air force did or did not do that day, and further why you feel this lends credence to the fact that everyone in the air force that could have done something was in on the conspiracy. There are many videos online (search youtune for RKOwens) that show the airforce was perfectly consistant with prior performance.

I dont know if I have made the following points abundantly clear: The government dropped the ball, big time, on 9/11 and in the months and years following. They also dropped the ball big time with hurricane Katrina. I dont think they conspired for that to happen either though. They also dropped the ball BIG TIME with the Iraq war. I DO think they used these attacks as a way to go to war.

I do not like this administration, nor did I vote for them. This administration has shown time and time again their incompetence, yet the truthers seem to think they have it sooooo together they could orchestrate the most elaborate hoax in history, involving hundreds of thousands of people… Yet the president cant stop reading a book for 9 minutes when he is told we are under attack. Phenomenal. Was this book reading all part of the act… or was he caught dumb founded with his pants around his ankles and momentarily stunned?

That being said, I dont know what it takes to be in the CIA/FBI. I dont see how they could have possible gotten this information if it was kept in a tight circle of a few guys.

For the sake of argument, I do NOT want to get into a JFK debate, but lets just say Lee Harvey was in fact a lone gunman. If he doesnt tell anyone about his plans, how is the CIA suppose to figure it out? If the terrorist who attacked on 9/11 didnt tell a soul about their plans, how were we to stop them?

Additionally, I dont think anyone thought it was an attack until the 2nd and 3rd planes hit and their targets, which would give them no time to react to those “attacks” because they didnt realize they were attacks until they happened.

Also, I dont know if this point has been made by me or not: I value what the “9/11 truth” movement is and does. I value that they are questioning the status quo. I value that these same people could potentially bring about the truth when a conspiracy finally DOES take place. I value that they see things that dont add up and try to find answers… Indeed this is the very heart of science and skepticism. However, they have come to the wrong conclusions and they see things that dont exist because they have an a priori conspiracy to prove.

jeffdirect · February 7, 2008, 4:08am

[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
There are many videos online (search youtune for RKOwens) that show the airforce was perfectly consistant with prior performance.
[/quote]

Even Thomas Kayne, chairman of the 911 comission, said he doesn’t believe to this day what Norad told him.
Limbic provided the link.

You must be the only person left on this planet thinking NOrad’s response that day was normal.

We should get some scientists to study you; we may be getting through the missing link so many people have been looking for all these years.

Sloth · February 7, 2008, 5:37am

[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
There are many videos online (search youtune for RKOwens) that show the airforce was perfectly consistant with prior performance.

Even Thomas Kayne, chairman of the 911 comission, said he doesn’t believe to this day what Norad told him.
Limbic provided the link.

You must be the only person left on this planet thinking NOrad’s response that day was normal.

We should get some scientists to study you; we may be getting through the missing link so many people have been looking for all these years.

[/quote]

Are you Petedacook by any chance?

Lonnie123 · February 7, 2008, 6:10am

[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
There are many videos online (search youtune for RKOwens) that show the airforce was perfectly consistant with prior performance.

Even Thomas Kayne, chairman of the 911 comission, said he doesn’t believe to this day what Norad told him.
Limbic provided the link.

You must be the only person left on this planet thinking NOrad’s response that day was normal.

We should get some scientists to study you; we may be getting through the missing link so many people have been looking for all these years.

[/quote]

The fact that Thomas Kayne does not believe what was told to him does not prove that it is in fact not the case. Nor does it prove that there was a conspiracy by the US government.

Admittedly I dont know everything, and in fact I desire to know all the facts. I only know what I have read on line, from a variety of both “truth” websites and websites which substantiate the official story. This is something I have done over the last few weeks in my very limited free time(Full time student, 2 jobs), so I definitely do not know everything there is to know.

I have not read the 9/11 commission report. I am not familiar with ALL of the details of that day and the events surrounding it. I am not familiar with NORADs policies about attacks on US soil, or what they did to drop the ball that day. I was not able to find the lnk Limbic provided (unless its the “complete timeline” link…I dont have time to read 44 pages)

Please educate me, or point me in the direction of evidence, that shows NORADs lack of response or very unusually response(to what was a very unusual situation remember). I have not educated myself on this issue and am not prepared or qualified to discuss it, so I wont at this time.

jeffdirect · February 7, 2008, 10:16am

When posting on the forums, try reading what you’re posting at, mate.

Like pg 2.

Zap_Branigan · February 7, 2008, 12:25pm

[quote]jj-dude wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
I dont understand how its easier for the amount of people the “truthers” say to be in on it vs. a small group of 20-25 guys conspiring amongst themselves to do it.

I really enjoyed your post Lonnie. Now I’ll tell of a small conspiracy I know of that involved a friend of my Father’s.

This was during an uprising in the Congo in 1960. Several hostages (nuns, as I recall) had been taken and the US government wanted to help get them out but did not want any public entanglements. So a friend of my Father’s named R, a pilot, was asked to go in covertly. He agreed out of humanitarian reasons.

This meant that he and his crew resigned from the US Air Force so there would be no official record of him. They went in (a few interesting stories about being shot at by Lumumba’s and Mobutu’s tropps, but let’s keep it short) and managed to get everyone out.

This is where the fun begins. When he got back, he tried to re-enlist (the re-enlistment center wasn’t in on it, just whatever obscure branch of special ops). Nope. He’d been gone for a couple of months and they told him that a gap like that could mean he was in prison. He had to prove where he was. Moreover, he had contracted some pathogen and was in serious need of medical attention. Again, not one lick of help came from the government because he couldn’t prove he got it during a government op.

So here was a loyal officer with a Kafka-esque bureaucracy and what did he do? He threatened to expose them, but by then it was too late since someone else had leaked the whole thing to the press. He got back in the AF and got health care. Whole thing took a bit more than 2 months from start to finish, as I recall.

The point is that a low-level op (this was just half a dozen people flying nuns out of Africa for Chrissake!) was compromised almost immediately by everyone involved.

This is why 9/11 conspiracy buffs get the evil eye from me. I doubt the government could pull off any operation of that magnitude at all, let alone get it right in every detail.

– jj[/quote]

Good post. The government often screws people, I have no doubt about this. As you said it is impossible to keep people involved from talking.

Zap_Branigan · February 7, 2008, 12:27pm

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These “LOLS” on the end of every post are idiocy multipliers.

Limbic · February 7, 2008, 12:42pm

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