My 1st Cycle. Making Sure I Do It Right

Pharma
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BUDs I was under the impression that it was possible to do a relatively small and simple steroid cycle, comprised of only 1 product that has been well researched and has great benefit with minimal sides and still taking a proper PCT, without very much if any long term risks. My goal is not to gain 100 pounds and squat 700 pounds and bench 500. It’s to be 200-210 pounds, with 5-7 % BF. With a 2.5x BW deadlift, 2.25x body weight squat and a 2x BW bench. Of course those are not end goals. My end goals is to be around that body weight and get as strong and good aestheticly as possible. Those are just the concrete goals I would like to accomplish in my lifetime.

Josh

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Aw yogi, I love you too.

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[quote]dt79 wrote:
Aw yogi, I love you too.[/quote]

I don’t love you. I hate you, but GOD DAMN I respect you

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Yogi. I’ve read that it does limit natural T to a very large degree. However, the androgenic and anabolic properties of trestolone largely negate this problem. And that all the research has shown that it reverses rapidly when you get off cycle. It’s used as a male contraceptive as well. So it’s pretty well documented that it reverses rapidly.

Josh

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I am not ranting. I am telling you that your approach, your mindset towards all this is skewed.

Your RESULTS dictate what you should do, not how much love, passion blah blah you have or how much hard work you foresee yourself putting in. You will still end up fucking up. At this stage you don’t even have any idea of WHAT you can fuck up. There is no way you can say you will give everything 110% effort when you don’t even know what to put that effort into.

If you have reached a level where you have gotten past beginner gains and multiple plateaus, you will be able to make things work no matter what you do. Then AAS may be an accepted risk in which you will be able to reap the full benefits from. If not, as others have said, you will just shrink back to where you are.

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[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:
Aw yogi, I love you too.[/quote]

I don’t love you. I hate you, but GOD DAMN I respect you[/quote]

Just as long as you don’t come to my house with a hammer we’re cool…

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You don’t seem to understand what happens when you inject androgens into your body. You need to do more research on this. Your clearly not ready to do a cycle.

It doesn’t reverse rapidly, what there not telling you in the study is the pct that they did. Anytime you inject androgens into your body, your own natural production shuts off.

It is possible to cycle safety, but at your age it’s not, your still developing, what about that do you not get?

And hate to break it to you but your better off getting as far as you can naturally to your goal before you start using steroids.

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Alright thanks for all the input. Just want to bring up the difference in response I was given compared to Iron Mind X in his post “introduction and 1st cycle” sure he’s more advanced than me. But he’s the same age and he’s taking a heavier dose than me and stacking… But hey he’s blessed with much better genitics and the money to do a bunch of blood work. No different than me same age, weight and height. I suppose it’s a the rich get richer and keep the poor poor kind of thing. Something to think about. Thanks anyway

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[quote]Altair1017 wrote:
Yogi. I’ve read that it does limit natural T to a very large degree. However, the androgenic and anabolic properties of trestolone largely negate this problem. And that all the research has shown that it reverses rapidly when you get off cycle. It’s used as a male contraceptive as well. So it’s pretty well documented that it reverses rapidly.

Josh[/quote]

Oh my god, this is so wrong. It’s just so wrong.

Good luck kid, you’ll need it

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[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]Yogi wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:
Aw yogi, I love you too.[/quote]

I don’t love you. I hate you, but GOD DAMN I respect you[/quote]

Just as long as you don’t come to my house with a hammer we’re cool…[/quote]

you use AIs so I won’t have to.

and I do love you very much

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Yogi. What is wrong about what I said. Thanks

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[quote]Altair1017 wrote:
Yogi. I’ve read that it does limit natural T to a very large degree. However, the androgenic and anabolic properties of trestolone largely negate this problem. And that all the research has shown that it reverses rapidly when you get off cycle. It’s used as a male contraceptive as well. So it’s pretty well documented that it reverses rapidly.

Josh[/quote]

literally everything in this post is wrong

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[quote]Altair1017 wrote:
Alright thanks for all the input. Just want to bring up the difference in response I was given compared to Iron Mind X in his post “introduction and 1st cycle” sure he’s more advanced than me. But he’s the same age and he’s taking a heavier dose than me and stacking… But hey he’s blessed with much better genitics and the money to do a bunch of blood work. No different than me same age, weight and height. I suppose it’s a the rich get richer and keep the poor poor kind of thing. Something to think about. Thanks anyway

[/quote]

No, because for the most part he knows what he’s doing gear and training diet wise, you however have fuck all of a clue on any.

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[quote]Altair1017 wrote:
Alright thanks for all the input. Just want to bring up the difference in response I was given compared to Iron Mind X in his post “introduction and 1st cycle” sure he’s more advanced than me. But he’s the same age and he’s taking a heavier dose than me and stacking… But hey he’s blessed with much better genitics and the money to do a bunch of blood work. No different than me same age, weight and height. I suppose it’s a the rich get richer and keep the poor poor kind of thing. Something to think about. Thanks anyway

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Hell are talking about??? Has nothing to do with rich or poorer??

Clearly his physique shows his diet and training are on point and he has done his research and has a proper understanding on how these drugs work and how to use them, you on the other hand don’t.

If you think you guys are the same then post a pic of your physique

You want advice and your getting it, sorry its not going the way you want it

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[quote]Altair1017 wrote:
Alright thanks for all the input. Just want to bring up the difference in response I was given compared to Iron Mind X in his post “introduction and 1st cycle” sure he’s more advanced than me. But he’s the same age and he’s taking a heavier dose than me and stacking… But hey he’s blessed with much better genitics and the money to do a bunch of blood work. No different than me same age, weight and height. I suppose it’s a the rich get richer and keep the poor poor kind of thing. Something to think about. Thanks anyway

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The entitled generation speaks.

He is 21 years old. We are not his parents. Given his level of development and knowing what it takes to get there, I doubt any of us would have been able to dissuade him from using, so no one bothered.

And did I not tell you “talk is cheap”? Did I not tell you all this must be earned? You thought I was ranting? All he had to do was post a picture and it’s clear that he put in the hard work while you just talk about it. He is also benching more than what you’re deadlifting. Let that sink in.

Get to his level and no one will question your commitment.

So lets put this in perspective.

-You are not intending to get bloodwork.

-You have limited understanding of how exogenous hormones affect your HPTA, and your interpretation of research leaves much to be desired.

-Your main source of knowledge about AAS use and anciliaries comes from a “guy thats been cycling since 2002”.

-You are currently at beginner level.

I would say you fit the profile of the typical juicehead at the gym using copious amounts of AAS to maintain a subpar physique, does dumb shit in the gym and shrinks to DYEL status every couple of months.

Can you please tell me how you can expect anyone here to, in good conscience and knowing your potential risks vs returns, support your desire to use AAS?

This is a forum with excellent resources pertaining to training and diet as well. I suggest hold off the drugs for the time being and make use of these resources. You’ll get all the help you need.

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[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]Altair1017 wrote:
Alright thanks for all the input. Just want to bring up the difference in response I was given compared to Iron Mind X in his post “introduction and 1st cycle” sure he’s more advanced than me. But he’s the same age and he’s taking a heavier dose than me and stacking… But hey he’s blessed with much better genitics and the money to do a bunch of blood work. No different than me same age, weight and height. I suppose it’s a the rich get richer and keep the poor poor kind of thing. Something to think about. Thanks anyway

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The entitled generation speaks.

He is 21 years old. We are not his parents. Given his level of development and knowing what it takes to get there, I doubt any of us would have been able to dissuade him from using, so no one bothered.

And did I not tell you “talk is cheap”? Did I not tell you all this must be earned? You thought I was ranting? All he had to do was post a picture and it’s clear that he put in the hard work while you just talk about it. He is also benching more than what you’re deadlifting. Let that sink in.

Get to his level and no one will question your commitment.

So lets put this in perspective.

-You are not intending to get bloodwork.

-You have limited understanding of how exogenous hormones affect your HPTA, and your interpretation of research leaves much to be desired.

-Your main source of knowledge about AAS use and anciliaries comes from a “guy thats been cycling since 2002”.

-You are currently at beginner level.

I would say you fit the profile of the typical juicehead at the gym using copious amounts of AAS to maintain a subpar physique, does dumb shit in the gym and shrinks to DYEL status every couple of months.

Can you please tell me how you can expect anyone here to, in good conscience and knowing your potential risks vs returns, support your desire to use AAS?

This is a forum with excellent resources pertaining to training and diet as well. I suggest hold off the drugs for the time being and make use of these resources. You’ll get all the help you need.[/quote]

Well put

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Dt79. He benches 120k…264 pounds… I deadlift 265… But thanks, I benched the best I ever have earlier thanks to the negative comments on here. I’ll stick to the articles. You guys are waste of time.

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A waste of time? Because you didn’t hear what you wanted to hear? Do your cycle then you lazy whiny little shit. Have fun potentially fucking yourself up.

Here’s what I see in your future. You cycle, gain some size, during and after your pct (if you even do it right) you will lose all your gains and maybe even more. You’ll be wondering why you after your cycle your dick barely works and you feel like shit. Then just like dt79 said you will Continue to use AAS to maintain a shitty physique at 170 and with your shitty lifts.

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[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]Altair1017 wrote:
Alright thanks for all the input. Just want to bring up the difference in response I was given compared to Iron Mind X in his post “introduction and 1st cycle” sure he’s more advanced than me. But he’s the same age and he’s taking a heavier dose than me and stacking… But hey he’s blessed with much better genitics and the money to do a bunch of blood work. No different than me same age, weight and height. I suppose it’s a the rich get richer and keep the poor poor kind of thing. Something to think about. Thanks anyway

[/quote]

The entitled generation speaks.

He is 21 years old. We are not his parents. Given his level of development and knowing what it takes to get there, I doubt any of us would have been able to dissuade him from using, so no one bothered.

And did I not tell you “talk is cheap”? Did I not tell you all this must be earned? You thought I was ranting? All he had to do was post a picture and it’s clear that he put in the hard work while you just talk about it. He is also benching more than what you’re deadlifting. Let that sink in.

Get to his level and no one will question your commitment.

So lets put this in perspective.

-You are not intending to get bloodwork.

-You have limited understanding of how exogenous hormones affect your HPTA, and your interpretation of research leaves much to be desired.

-Your main source of knowledge about AAS use and anciliaries comes from a “guy thats been cycling since 2002”.

-You are currently at beginner level.

I would say you fit the profile of the typical juicehead at the gym using copious amounts of AAS to maintain a subpar physique, does dumb shit in the gym and shrinks to DYEL status every couple of months.

Can you please tell me how you can expect anyone here to, in good conscience and knowing your potential risks vs returns, support your desire to use AAS?

This is a forum with excellent resources pertaining to training and diet as well. I suggest hold off the drugs for the time being and make use of these resources. You’ll get all the help you need.[/quote]

^ = awesome. Well put indeed.

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[quote]Altair1017 wrote:
Dt79. He benches 120k…264 pounds… I deadlift 265… But thanks, I benched the best I ever have earlier thanks to the negative comments on here. I’ll stick to the articles. You guys are waste of time.[/quote]
So basically you think you know everything, you just haven’t had time to turn it into results yet. So let me tell you something about life. Nobody gives a shit about your potential or your intentions. You turn them into results or get out of the way for someone who can.

Do your shit cycle with your shit training and nutrition. When you lose all your gains or potentially fuck yourself up, nobody will give a fuck. You will go right into the pile of thousands of other dumbasses who can’t accept criticism or good advice. Take your passive aggressive pussy shit somewhere else. You won’t get pity here kid.