[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Where is this outcry against terrorism from the greater Muslim community?[/quote]
^^ good question & another one I cannot seem to get answers to.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
There are numerous Islamic CLERICS who call for the murder of Jews, the overthrow of non-Islamic states, and encourage “jihad” attacks on innocents. Death threats have been issued against writers and artists. The “thighing” of infants is apparently supported by some.
Again, these are CLERICS stating that such behavior is ENCOURAGED by ISLAM. Not just “Mahmood the Muslim.”[/quote]
There are numerous Christian sects that promote incest and pedophilia. There are numerous Hindu sects that do the same. Both these denominations bring forth their “evidence” from “Holy texts” to justify their actions. How is it any different?
The only clear cut difference I see here is that Muslim perpetrated outrages are more covered by the media.
I may as well point this out - I am a Hindu. Not Muslim, not Christian, not Atheist.
Can you name some and tell us their percentage of the whole?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Not with Christianity.
No, seriously.[/quote]
The Bible doesn’t allow you to pick and choose what to believe:
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
The only clear cut difference I see here is that Muslim perpetrated outrages are more covered by the media.
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The difference is, if those bizarre beliefs/practices of Christians were covered by the media, Christians the world over would express their outrage.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Where is this outcry against terrorism from the greater Muslim community?[/quote]
Where is the majority of the outcry coming from with regards to similar happenings in the Christian world?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
The Bible doesn’t allow you to pick and choose what to believe:
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.[/quote]
So Catholics and Protestants etc. are all what?
EDIT: [i]"It is good to remember, however, that despite its central tenets of love and peace, Christianity - like most traditions - has always had a violent side. The bloody history of the tradition has provided images as disturbing as those provided by Islam or Sikhism, and violent conflict is vividly portrayed in the Bible.
This history and these biblical images have provided the raw material for theologically justifying the violence of contemporary Christian groups. Attacks on abortion clinics, for instance, have been viewed not only as assaults on a practice that Christians regard as immoral, but also as skirmishes in a grand confrontation between forces of evil and good that has social and political implications."[/i]
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Can you name some and tell us their percentage of the whole?[/quote]
Probably not off the top of my head, but I dare say it would be comparable (proportionately speaking) to the Muslim sects that do it.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Look, of course, all religions have problems. Islam jsut clearly has more, more serious ones, and less willingness to openly confront them.[/quote]
I dare say the problems are similar to other major religions. But you are right, there does seem to be less willingness to openly denounce or confront said problems.
But there are a handful of Muslims out there that I have had the pleasure of interacting with, and they have been more than happy to discuss and denounce these issues.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Given the number of “clerics,” Islamic universities, etc that exist, one can only conclude that the overwhelming majority of Muslims suffer from this “intellectual laziness.” [/quote]
The majority of “Muslims” can’t even read the Quran, much less interpret it.
But keep in mind that the sample is so large that expecting anything else would be really stupid. Because evidently, most humans suffer from “intellectual laziness”.
Absolutely.
You don’t know that. It is, at best, conjectural to speak of what people “believe” or don’t believe.
Regardless, most Muslims commit sins that are directly transgressing God’s commandments. And I ain’t speaking about the points of contention. I’m referring to sins that are the same all across the board.
And I can assure you that the same holds true for all religions of any gaugeable size. So, the mere observation that some Muslims swallow what their local guru feeds them, is no reflection upon Islam itself.
There are obviously people that spent more time studying the Quran than me, and I welcome their points of view. But unlike other the other monotheistic religions, those people carry no authority other what I am willing to grant them. They are not ordained or anything of the sort.
And yet, for someone whose beliefs have “little relevance here”, I sure get plenty of questions about them.
So please, do us all a favor and speak for yourself.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Where is this outcry against terrorism from the greater Muslim community?
Where is the majority of the outcry coming from with regards to similar happenings in the Christian world?[/quote]
what happenings?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Can you name some and tell us their percentage of the whole?
Probably not off the top of my head, but I dare say it would be comparable (proportionately speaking) to the Muslim sects that do it.[/quote]
What evidence do you have for this view?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
What evidence do you have for this view?[/quote]
Prove otherwise. Yes, that’s clutching at straws, but seriously consider who controls the popular media.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
There are numerous Islamic CERICS who call for the murder of Jews, the overthrow of non-Islamic states, and encourage “jihad” attacks on innocents. [/quote]
First of all, there is no such thing as “CERICS”[sic] in Islam. There are theologians and scholars.
Secondly, there are Rabbis that call for the murder of Arabs (note that it includes Christians). Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, a widely recognized Halakha authority comes to mind.
Finally, there are numerous public figures who not only call for the overthrow of states, but actually put their guns where their mouths are.
Death threats are common against writers and artists.
I could fish artists that have been persecuted by any religion you could name (and yes, that includes Scientology).
I’ll be more than interested in knowing what public figure actually supports such monstrosity. He’ll get a personal letter from me.
That is, if you can come up with actual evidence of this “support”.
Again, there are no “CLERICS” in Islam. There is only “Mahmood the Muslim”. Nothing differentiates a 'Alim from the rest of the Ummah.