[quote]Michael570 wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Michael570 wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I dunno. Mohammed married little six year old Aisha and took her virginity at 9 while she was “playing with dolls.” Mohammed, being “al-insan al-kamil,” seems to have legitimized the practice amongst Muslims.
Oral narration written down hundreds of years after the fact is a great source for your argument.
Oh wait, here’s something from the web site you shared…
http://www.quranicteachings.co.uk/ayeshas-age.htm
I guess you didn’t read that article.
Actually, it is. The Qur’an contains no internal historical context. It isn’t understandable without help from the Hadith.
But for the sake of your argument, the Qur’an actually does sanction child marriage:
If you are in doubt concerning those of your wives who have ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period shall be three months. The same shall apply to those who have not yet menstruated. (Surah 65:4)
Here, Allah appears to be envisioning a scenario in which a pre-pubescent woman is not only married, but is being divorced by her husband.
I’m sorry. I seem to have missed where you addressed your claim that Mohammed fucked a little girl.
Or do you just want to skip that minor detail and cherry pick more quotes? And which Hadith are fair play? Sunni? Shi’a? Both?[/quote]
You don’t even know what the Hadith is, do you?
The link the Muslim provided above claims the exact opposite of the previous link:
[quote]Due to the apparent ignorance of many Muslims, possibly due to reading “modernist” apologetic literature like that mentioned above, a look at what the authentic sources of Islam say about the age at which cAishah married the Prophet(P) is in order. This way, before we move on to an analysis of the facts, we will first establish what the authentic Islamic facts are. At this point, it should be mentioned that it is absolutely pointless from an Islamic standpoint to say that the age of cAishah is “not found in the Qur’ân”, since the textual sources of Islam are made up of both the Qur’ân and the Sunnah - and the Qur’ân tells us that. For those wanting (or needing) to learn more about the status of the Sunnah in Islam, please read An Introduction to the Sunnah, by Suhaib Hasan. Now in regards to what the authentic Islamic sources actually say, it may come as a disappointment to some “modern” and “cultured” Muslims that there are four ahâdîth in Sahîh al-Bukhârî and three ahâdîth in Sahîh Muslim clearly state that cAishah was “nine years old” as the time that her marriage was consummated with the Prophet(P). These ahâdîth, with only slight variation, read as follows:
cAishah, may God be pleased with her, narrated that the Prophet(P) was betrothed (zawaj) to her when she was six years old and he consummated (nikah) his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years. (Sahîh al-Bukhârî, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64)
Of the four ahâdîth in Sahîh al-Bukhari, two were narrated from cAishah (7:64 and 7:65), one from Abû Hishâm (5:236) and one via 'Ursa (7:88). All three of the ahâdîth in Sahîh Muslim have cAishah as a narrator. Additionally, all of the ahâdîth in both books agree that the marriage betrothal contract took place when cAishah was “six years old”, but was not consummated until she was “nine years old”. Additionally, a hadîth with the same text (matn) is reported in Sunan Abû Dâwûd. Needless to say, this evidence is - Islamically speaking - overwhelmingly strong and Muslims who deny it do so only by sacrificing their intellectual honesty, pure faith or both.[/quote]
So these guys at Islamic Awareness are claiming that the ahadith narrated by Aisha and Hisham ARE authoritative, and that Aisha was deflowered at the tender young age of nine. I guess they (Muslims) should get their story straight, but Surah 65:4 provides a rather telling clue as to Mohammed’s opinion of child marriage and lends credibility to the ahadith above.