Mike570,
That’s all great. Some written words. Whenever someone drops a Koran on the ground they stampede. When someone blows themselves up and takes out a bunch of “infidels” they spontaneously flood the streets in jubilation.
Some of the Islamic groups will say the “right thing” to western reporters, then call for our destruction among their peers.
Check it out.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
That’s all great. Some written words. [/quote]
Same written words the OP claimed didn’t exist.
Keep up!
[quote]Adamsson wrote:
Michael570 forgot to mention palestinians dancing in the streets… lebanese arabs dancing in the streets… morbid celebrations in the arab world when the news got around.
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I was responding to the quoted claims by Coulter. Of course you’re going to get different responses to a terrorist attack. I pointed out in another thread that Hamas and Hezbollah celebrated 9/11.
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1536469&pageNo=6#1547202
There’s no doubt there were celebrations in other countries as well. There were also candlelight vigils and expressions of grief.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
That’s all great. Some written words. Whenever someone drops a Koran on the ground they stampede. When someone blows themselves up and takes out a bunch of “infidels” they spontaneously flood the streets in jubilation.
Some of the Islamic groups will say the “right thing” to western reporters, then call for our destruction among their peers.
Check it out.[/quote]
Coulter’s comments made broad generalizations about all Muslims and repeated the myth that Muslims don’t express grief over terrorist attacks.
You all can nitpick the quotes or point out counter-examples but the fact remains that Muslim denunciations of terrorism exist and are numerous.
I have yet to see any REAL footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets when 9/11 occured. The jackasses at CNN (look up who runs CNN and you’ll realize what their agenda was) showed footage of a 1991 Palestinian WEDDING and people dancing in the streets and then, against all standards of journalism and basically an outright lie, claimed the footage was from a few hours earlier.
Of course when CNN apoloziged a few days later the damage was already done.
So we only have UNCONFIRMED reports of Palestinians dancing in the streets when 9/11 happened. And considering the source- CNN- I personally believe the reports to be total bullshit propoganda from the jackasses who run CNN.
[quote]Michael570 wrote:
You all can nitpick the quotes or point out counter-examples but the fact remains that Muslim denunciations of terrorism exist and are numerous. [/quote]
I can vouch for that. I don’t know a SINGLE Muslim person who is not horrified by terrorist acts (9/11, Madrid, London…), and I know a LOT of them.
However, you’ll find more ambivalence towards acts of the Hezbollah or other organizations you people denounce as terrorist.
And the Palestinians never burn American flags and shout death to America.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
And the Palestinians never burn American flags and shout death to America.[/quote]
Here, here;
[i]Numerous incidents of harassment and hate crimes were reported against Middle Easterners and other “Middle Eastern-looking” people, particularly Sikhs, due to the fact that Sikh males usually wear turbans, which are stereotypically associated with Muslims in the United States. There were reports of verbal abuse, attacks on mosques and other religious buildings (including the firebombing of a Hindu temple) and assaults on people, including one murder; Balbir Singh Sodhi was fatally shot on September 15. He, like others, was a Sikh who was mistaken for a Muslim.
Following the attacks, 80,000 Arab and Muslim immigrants were fingerprinted and registered under the Alien Registration Act of 1940. 8,000 Arab and Muslim men were interviewed, and 5,000 foreign nationals were detained[…] [/i]
Ann Coulter: “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren’t punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That’s war. And this is war.”
US Attorney General J. Ashcroft: “Islam is a religion in which God requires you to send your son to die for him. Christianity is a faith in which God sends his son to die for you”
Let’s not forget the Quran desecration stories.
Idiocy is universal.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
I agree. Of course I don’t believe every single Muslim is this or that. However, my confidence in their ability to control the Islamic radicals is decreasing. I seem more sympathy.
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Why is it Islam’s job to control the Islamic whacos? No one has control–no one will ever have control of human thought.
that must have been some wedding.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
And the Palestinians never burn American flags and shout death to America.[/quote]
And they represent the entire Muslim world, including Muslim Americans. So it would be a good idea to identify all Muslims as holding the same beliefs. Just like all Christians have the same beliefs.
So to all the Christians here, since the activities of the Westboro Baptist Church represent every Christian, I want to know why you support protesting a soldier’s funeral. Have you no shame? Why do you hate America?
[quote]Michael570 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
And the Palestinians never burn American flags and shout death to America.
And they represent the entire Muslim world, including Muslim Americans. So it would be a good idea to identify all Muslims as holding the same beliefs. Just like all Christians have the same beliefs.
So to all the Christians here, since the activities of the Westboro Baptist Church represent every Christian, I want to know why you support protesting a soldier’s funeral. Have you no shame? Why do you hate America?[/quote]
That is not the issue… 
The issue is that it should be possible to empower liberal muslims to reform Islam worldwide. But if you look at the imams in countries like Norway… they get more conservative by the year and even though they did a “we are so sorry”-front when 9/11 happened, hidden camera documentaries has shown that the true image is completely different…
[quote]Michael570 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
And the Palestinians never burn American flags and shout death to America.
And they represent the entire Muslim world, including Muslim Americans. So it would be a good idea to identify all Muslims as holding the same beliefs. Just like all Christians have the same beliefs.
So to all the Christians here, since the activities of the Westboro Baptist Church represent every Christian, I want to know why you support protesting a soldier’s funeral. Have you no shame? Why do you hate America?[/quote]
You don’t get it. When the WBC protests, the anti-protestors outnumber them about 100-1. There’s a national organization of motorcycle riders (Patriot Guard Riders, I happen to be a member) that attend EVERY SINGLE FUNERAL THAT THE WBC PROTESTS to sheild the families from their disgusting behavior.
There is MASSIVE Christian outcry over the WBC. There is no Islamic outcry over the radical Muslim activities.
[quote]Adamsson wrote:
Michael570 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
And the Palestinians never burn American flags and shout death to America.
And they represent the entire Muslim world, including Muslim Americans. So it would be a good idea to identify all Muslims as holding the same beliefs. Just like all Christians have the same beliefs.
So to all the Christians here, since the activities of the Westboro Baptist Church represent every Christian, I want to know why you support protesting a soldier’s funeral. Have you no shame? Why do you hate America?
That is not the issue… The issue is that it should be possible to empower liberal muslims to reform Islam worldwide. But if you look at the imams in countries like Norway… they get more conservative by the year and even though they did a “we are so sorry”-front when 9/11 happened, hidden camera documentaries has shown that the true image is completely different…
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Exactly. What they say and what they do are very different.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
PGJ wrote:
I agree. Of course I don’t believe every single Muslim is this or that. However, my confidence in their ability to control the Islamic radicals is decreasing. I seem more sympathy.
Why is it Islam’s job to control the Islamic whacos? No one has control–no one will ever have control of human thought.
[/quote]
WTF??? OK, let’s break it down barney style. Islam is not like Christianity. Islamic society is completely centered on religion. Christian society is NOT centered on religion. National laws in Islamic countries are strictly based on Islamic laws.
In many Islamic nations it is outright forbidden to practice Christianity or any other non-Islamic faity. In some places it’s punishable by death. In Western/Christian nations you practice what you like. I mean, you can even pray in school in Islamic nations (GASP!).
Anyway, if you want to run your nation like that, someone has to control the wackos or else you will eventually end up with a nation born and bred to accept suicide bombing, terrorist activities, and a religious faith that has been completely hijacked.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
You don’t get it. When the WBC protests, the anti-protestors outnumber them about 100-1. There’s a national organization of motorcycle riders (Patriot Guard Riders, I happen to be a member) that attend EVERY SINGLE FUNERAL THAT THE WBC PROTESTS to sheild the families from their disgusting behavior.
There is MASSIVE Christian outcry over the WBC. There is no Islamic outcry over the radical Muslim activities. [/quote]
I attended numerous MASSIVE Muslim rallies that protest the behavior of the radical bastards. On 9/11, 3/11, 5/16 and everytime a nutjob uses the name of Islam for killing innocents.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
Adamsson wrote:
Michael570 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
And the Palestinians never burn American flags and shout death to America.
And they represent the entire Muslim world, including Muslim Americans. So it would be a good idea to identify all Muslims as holding the same beliefs. Just like all Christians have the same beliefs.
So to all the Christians here, since the activities of the Westboro Baptist Church represent every Christian, I want to know why you support protesting a soldier’s funeral. Have you no shame? Why do you hate America?
That is not the issue… The issue is that it should be possible to empower liberal muslims to reform Islam worldwide. But if you look at the imams in countries like Norway… they get more conservative by the year and even though they did a “we are so sorry”-front when 9/11 happened, hidden camera documentaries has shown that the true image is completely different…
Exactly. What they say and what they do are very different.[/quote]
You transitioned into the elaborate conspiracy theory realm.
Pathetic.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
WTF??? OK, let’s break it down barney style. Islam is not like Christianity. Islamic society is completely centered on religion. Christian society is NOT centered on religion. National laws in Islamic countries are strictly based on Islamic laws.
In many Islamic nations it is outright forbidden to practice Christianity or any other non-Islamic faity. In some places it’s punishable by death. In Western/Christian nations you practice what you like. I mean, you can even pray in school in Islamic nations (GASP!).
Anyway, if you want to run your nation like that, someone has to control the wackos or else you will eventually end up with a nation born and bred to accept suicide bombing, terrorist activities, and a religious faith that has been completely hijacked. [/quote]
WTF??? What countries are you talking about? Islam calls unambigously for protection of the freedom of Christians and Jews to practice their faith and harshly condemns taking away their right of worship.
Name me the countries you have in mind when you claim that “In many Islamic nations it is outright forbidden to practice Christianity or any other non-Islamic faity. In some places it’s punishable by death.”
Just so you know, there are over 50 Muslim countries.
You have been seriously brainwashed, buddy.
WTF??? What countries are you talking about? Islam calls unambigously for protection of the freedom of Christians and Jews to practice their faith and harshly condemns taking away their right of worship.
I talked to a soldier who was a chaplan in the first gulf war. He said if he wore a cross, he had to hide it so as to not offend the Saudi Arabians
Name me the countries you have in mind when you claim that “In many Islamic nations it is outright forbidden to practice Christianity or any other non-Islamic faity. In some places it’s punishable by death.”
What about the case of the guy in Afghanistan who they were going to execute because he became a Christian? How about in Turkey, when they attacked the Bible school and killed the people working there? Indonesia, after the sunami, forbid the Christian relief workers from talking about religion to the locals.
Show me a picture of a Christian church in Saudi Arabia and I will say you are right.
just for shits and giggles I did a google image search of “christian church in Saudi Arabia” and there are some churches that come up…lol…and an interesting shot of a Christian being executed.