Muslim? Thoughts on Arab World

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
hedo wrote:
Your a bigot against America Lixy…that should be clear enough if your looking for context. Simply read your posts, your bigotry is apparent.

Wierd. I see bigotry against American policy in his posts but that doesn’t equate to “agianst America”, as you say. He seems smarter in his writing than to state without regard that America is evil. In fact, anyone who states a generalization of that nature is plain ignorant/bigoted. I don’t see that at all in any of his posts and I could very well say that [b]you[/i] are bigoted against anything that he writes. You may not agree with his world view but does that make him bigoted against America? It makes me think that you either don’t read anyhing he writes or have selective memory to what he has written–i.e., bigoted.

Criticiszing something doesn’t really mean someone is bigoted against it and this is just a really silly argument.

Lixy, keep up the good, well thought out, and analytical posts. This does not mean I agree with you 100%…half of the people who post on here could use a lesson in critical thinking.[/quote]

Look closer and be more critical in your reading. Lixy made up his mind about the US before he ever found T Nation.

I don’t like lixy and I don’t hide it. He can’t be honest about what he writes, as you stated, he’s smart enough to avoid that. I can. T Nation used to be full of people like that. Now it’s full of guys like you and Lixy.

If you think Lixy is doing 'good work" it only reinforces my opinion because you have a fairly solid bias in your worldview. So do I, I just don’t hide it…maybe it’s the Testosterone.

[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
Can I pro-Iranian, Muslim really say the US is hypocritical, with a straight face, with regards to Iran’s nuclear program?

Double standards. That, in a nutshell, is the definition of a hyprocrite. And, yes, double-standards are evidently part of US foreign policy.

For the record, I am no more pro-Iranian than pro-Guinean or pro-Tibetan. I don’t like the regime in Tehran and would be very much happy to see it reformed. I have no sympathy for Ahmadinejad or his methods. But I know the constant pressure, threats of violence and other sanctions only consolidate their powers and ensure that even the moderates rally around him.[/quote]

Double standards and denial also seem to be part of your posting style. You’ve defended the action of Iran for two pages but then claim your not pro-Iranian.

[quote]hedo wrote:
Double standards and denial also seem to be part of your posting style. You’ve defended the action of Iran for two pages but then claim your not pro-Iranian.[/quote]

Since you chose to deflect it as an ad hominem, I have to assume that you are unable to refute the argument about US double-standards. Correct me if I’m wrong.

What actions did I defend? Their right to acquire nuclear fuel for civil purposes as stated by the NPT? Their relative dove-ishness compared to a belligerent Washington? Just so you know, the threat of violence is terrorism.

P.S:
Your: Possessive pronoun.
You’re: Contraction of “you are”.

[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
Double standards and denial also seem to be part of your posting style. You’ve defended the action of Iran for two pages but then claim your not pro-Iranian.

Since you chose to deflect it as an ad hominem, I have to assume that you are unable to refute the argument about US double-standards. Correct me if I’m wrong.

What actions did I defend? Their right to acquire nuclear fuel for civil purposes as stated by the NPT? Their relative dove-ishness compared to a belligerent Washington? Just so you know, the threat of violence is terrorism.

P.S:
Your: Possessive pronoun.
You’re: Contraction of “you are”.[/quote]

Pointing out the fact that you’ve rambled on about how wonderful Iran is for two pages is not a personal attack. Calling you a bigot when you make bigoted statements isn’t an attack, it’s a statement. Calling you a bigot when you are talking about an unrelated topic, like training, would be a personal attack.

You didn’t make a point that requires me to refute. You simply stated your opinion. Do you remember what that was? You stated you were not pro-Iranian, which you clearly are.

Hamas=not doves
sponsor of terrorsim=not doves
lixy=not very honest and a bigot

[quote]jumper wrote:
Say whatever you want, but I can tell you from personal expierience, most of them hate us for religous reasons. It may be hard for you to accept it, but they do. There are two towers that are no more along with 3000 innocent civilian dead to prove it, they danced in the streets and burned our flags after this. I have walked the streets in Arab lands, they hate us, with the exception of a few like some of the Kurds, because we are the only reason they are alive today. You can dig up all the liberal articles you want on this, I have been the target of their hate, I have first hand knowledge, they hate us. [/quote]

the 3000 dead are from a particular group. it is a group very comparable to the KKK in the US, which is a group of individuals that most view disdainfully.

the entire population of the muslim world wasn’t behind the attacks on 9/11 any more than the entire us is behind the KKK when they drag a black guy behind a truck.

you can’t really be that ignorant can you?

and after 9/11, muslim leaders world wide were some of the first to show support for US citizens and apologized for the actions of the few quickly. most muslims were very outspoken at how angry they were at the jihadists for creating such awkward situations for every one else.

the people dancing in the streets were also not the majority. they were mostly punk kids who undoubtedly have no idea what is going on and a minority of adults.

i don’t really believe you have walked muslim streets, usually americans who go to the middle east are intelligent engineers and lawyers with more insight than you express. but maybe you drove a truck? in which case you were escorted by marines who parade through towns with machine guns?

of course you saw anger. i’d be pissed if canada was run by a terrorist group who bombed china, and china sent armed troops to my town in the US.

that doesn’t mean they hate us and want us all dead, they just want our military out of their country, as any countrymen of any country would. even so, very few are violent against our forces. most have sided with us and we train them militarily! why would the majority join us if they hated us? you are a dumb ass aren’t you?

and if you spew shit like this, of course you’ll get hostile responses. that doesn’t mean they hate you, they just think you are a dipshit. and you are.

or maybe you were in the military? in which case you would have been placed directly in the company of the minority of muslims who do hate us, which would have undoubtedly seemed like they were the majority to you, because that was all you were exposed to. but, your perception is off. most military veterans talk about how friendly the majority of people are over there, and are intelligent enough to realize that the people they are fighting are actually the minority.

i knew the military entrance exams were super easy, but not so easy retards could join! what a shame. they should have a mandatory IQ test as well.

and please know what you are talking about before you throw political vocabulary around. i’m actually pretty politically conservative. “liberal” has become a misused title to replace what we used to call “hippie”.

the difference now is that we don’t need to be in iraq, where most of our military is concentrated. they pose no threat to us.

we should be in afganistan slaughtering warlords and hunting for osama.

in the 60’s, we were right where we needed to be, fighting a communist country, part of our actual comprehensive enemy at the time.

so keep yourself in line, know what you are saying and try to think outside your own box, which is obviously a very small box.

[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
jumper wrote:
Say whatever you want, but I can tell you from personal expierience, most of them hate us for religous reasons. It may be hard for you to accept it, but they do. There are two towers that are no more along with 3000 innocent civilian dead to prove it, they danced in the streets and burned our flags after this. I have walked the streets in Arab lands, they hate us, with the exception of a few like some of the Kurds, because we are the only reason they are alive today. You can dig up all the liberal articles you want on this, I have been the target of their hate, I have first hand knowledge, they hate us.

Dude, you believe your own bullshit so much that the good Muslims dont stand a chance. You wouldnt give any the time of day by the sounds of it.

You’re not from Texas by any chance are you?
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i’m from texas.

and lets not be hypocritical here.

[quote]horsepuss wrote:
bluey wrote:
horsepuss wrote:
Nuke the fuck out of it then bulldoze everything and build hotels and swiming pools.

Are you really serious? I have seen a lot of people here express similar views. It’s a pretty low sentiment.

I dont give a fuck what you think and yes i am dead seriouse.I have a bunch of buddies who have spent time in iraq, afgan,pakistan and isreal while in the military and security contracters and they all say they are fucking dirt.They abuse there children and abuse there wives.Americans and europeans try to better themselves and there suroundings,arabs blow shit up because of the quran.
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have you ever read the Koran? or the Bible for that matter? spend some time in the old testament.