Muslim? Thoughts on Arab World

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]hedo wrote:
lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
You want to work for a better world? Fix the problems in the Arab world and with radical Islam…things you are a lot more familiar with.

I’m doing my share, believe me.

America will do quite nicely by ignoring European wanna be college kids don’t you think? I know it may not appear so to you but nearly all of your posts bitch and moan about America. You seem to be able to blame America for just about anything, and have done so frequently. Don’t believe me, read your posts.

Why do you bother quoting a post if you don’t even read it? You quoted me writing the following:

“What I’m trying to achieve through what probably appears to some as vociferous condemnations of everything the US ever did, is for some to acknowledge that American foreign policy has ran amok and needs some serious reforming if one is remotely interested in moral or peace on Earth.”

That’s why your credibility, lixy, on the subject is nil. I know you don’t see that but sadly it is apparent. Have you noticed that most of the regular posters dont’ bother with you anymore?

And you bother because…

Credibility of what? Good faith? Historical knowledge? Credentials?

If you prefer to bury your heads in the sand while the world breaks apart, suit yourself.

I think you would trust China more then the US. YOu hardly speak for the world however. As a businessman who acutally does business in the place’s you talk about, China is not trusted by anyone.

Every single international poll I’ve seen these past three years puts the US as leader of the countries that represent the biggest threats to peace. So, I think I can speak for the world when I say that. Interestingly, two leading analysts wrote in a 2004 Journal of Art and Sciences that the current trend of American militarization and aggression is driving the world to “ultimate doom”. They concluded that our only hope was for China to step in to counter the craze.

The risk in dealing with China is managed. That risk does not exist in the US which has a history of financial stability and respect for contracts and private property.

I’m talking about threats to peace and you drag money into the equation? Ok, fair enough. How were the odds of investing in Nazi Germany back in the days? Bet it looked pretty shiny up until the war.

As to trusting the respective governments. Please spare me. Your global experience is severly limited, or skewed, if you think anyone in their right mind trusts the Chinese government over the US. China is tempting for those that are greedy but no adult would view them as trustworthy. IT’s the difference between idealism and merchantilism.

I have polls backing up my assertion. What do you have? A feeling?

No what I have is experience. I actually live here. I’ve also travelled the world and done things you only speculate about while you sit in your cubicle at Tehran Univ.

I don’t buy the rest of the character you’ve created for a minute. I’m also an adult and you are not. You haven’t done adult things so your sage wisom is comical to those who have lived a little.

I’m also able to think and reason. You are simply a bigot. A bigot of the worst kind. Subsititute the word “black” or 'arab" for American in every one of your posts and see how it reads. Your a bigot, nothing more, and that is why you are roundly dismissed around here. It’s pointless to argue with bigots I generally mock them sheerly for the fun of it. Your a bigot.

Again what you leave out of your response betray’s your lack of understanding and points out your bigotry Your comment about money vs. “peace” was truly priceless. Actually you introduced it. How do you think your alturistic citizens seek to have China “balance” the US.

I don’t know much about how business prospects in Nazi Germany were. The US didn’t support them, unlike many Islamic nations, which were quite enamored with the Nazi’s and still share much of the same philosphies. You understand that don’t you?

At best your a student lixy, trying to spread your bullshit. I simply point out nobody falls for it here so why waste your time, it’s dull and boring…like you.

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LOOL ur pretty stupid.

Pointless isn’t it, retarded childish name calling?

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Lixy,

Ok, the jews are evil, america is great satan, i see where you are coming from.[/quote]

I never said that, my friend. I merely pointed out to the neocon inclinations of the founders of the MESMI. Religion don’t matter in these contexts.

Where I come from double-checking sources is crucial. I don’t like relaying lies and that’s the reason I did some homework on that bit. It sounded pretty surreal to say the least. I mean, if those things were really said, I would do my best to denounce him everywhere and support an attack on him. But, I’m familiar with the Ayatollah and I know that he is a pretty cool-headed fellow that knows better than say such things.

Foreign affair decisions are the prerogative of the Supreme leader; That’s the reason no erudite would take Ahmadinejad’s comments seriously. The Iranian president is limited by the constitution to the domestic matters only.

Anyway, the fact that the article vanished from the MEMSI makes its authenticity look dubious to me.

Mahmoud’s infamous speech was widely reported. Yet, nobody wrote about the appeasing comments of the Supreme leader. Plus, the translation of the speech has been disputed.

I urge you to watch Ahamadinejad’s interviews. I’m sure you’ll be surprised; The image painted in the mainstream media has very little to do with the reality of what he thinks. He’s a radical alright. But compared to Bush, he sounds like a choir boy.

I’ll be happy with democraticly elected governments around the world.

Hang on. If you’re fighting Wahabism, how come the Sauds are still ruling? BTW, 15 out of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. Ben Laden is Saudi and all Al Qaeda money is Saudi. Yet, you prefered to go for Iraq. So, no. You’re not fighting Wahabism.

I think for myself too. I am against ANY form of extremism whatsoever.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
I don’t know much about how business prospects in Nazi Germany were. The US didn’t support them, unlike many Islamic nations, which were quite enamored with the Nazi’s and still share much of the same philosphies. You understand that don’t you?[/quote]

I beg to differ.

Keep the debate constructive. Being old is no excuse for your behavior, nor is it correlated with the analytical abilities of a person.

“Wisdom doesn’t automatically come with old age. Nothing does - except wrinkles. It’s true, some wines improve with age. But only if the grapes were good in the first place.” – Unknown

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[quote]Shoebolt wrote:
hedo wrote:
lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
You want to work for a better world? Fix the problems in the Arab world and with radical Islam…things you are a lot more familiar with.

I’m doing my share, believe me.

America will do quite nicely by ignoring European wanna be college kids don’t you think? I know it may not appear so to you but nearly all of your posts bitch and moan about America. You seem to be able to blame America for just about anything, and have done so frequently. Don’t believe me, read your posts.

Why do you bother quoting a post if you don’t even read it? You quoted me writing the following:

“What I’m trying to achieve through what probably appears to some as vociferous condemnations of everything the US ever did, is for some to acknowledge that American foreign policy has ran amok and needs some serious reforming if one is remotely interested in moral or peace on Earth.”

That’s why your credibility, lixy, on the subject is nil. I know you don’t see that but sadly it is apparent. Have you noticed that most of the regular posters dont’ bother with you anymore?

And you bother because…

Credibility of what? Good faith? Historical knowledge? Credentials?

If you prefer to bury your heads in the sand while the world breaks apart, suit yourself.

I think you would trust China more then the US. YOu hardly speak for the world however. As a businessman who acutally does business in the place’s you talk about, China is not trusted by anyone.

Every single international poll I’ve seen these past three years puts the US as leader of the countries that represent the biggest threats to peace. So, I think I can speak for the world when I say that. Interestingly, two leading analysts wrote in a 2004 Journal of Art and Sciences that the current trend of American militarization and aggression is driving the world to “ultimate doom”. They concluded that our only hope was for China to step in to counter the craze.

The risk in dealing with China is managed. That risk does not exist in the US which has a history of financial stability and respect for contracts and private property.

I’m talking about threats to peace and you drag money into the equation? Ok, fair enough. How were the odds of investing in Nazi Germany back in the days? Bet it looked pretty shiny up until the war.

As to trusting the respective governments. Please spare me. Your global experience is severly limited, or skewed, if you think anyone in their right mind trusts the Chinese government over the US. China is tempting for those that are greedy but no adult would view them as trustworthy. IT’s the difference between idealism and merchantilism.

I have polls backing up my assertion. What do you have? A feeling?

No what I have is experience. I actually live here. I’ve also travelled the world and done things you only speculate about while you sit in your cubicle at Tehran Univ.

I don’t buy the rest of the character you’ve created for a minute. I’m also an adult and you are not. You haven’t done adult things so your sage wisom is comical to those who have lived a little.

I’m also able to think and reason. You are simply a bigot. A bigot of the worst kind. Subsititute the word “black” or 'arab" for American in every one of your posts and see how it reads. Your a bigot, nothing more, and that is why you are roundly dismissed around here. It’s pointless to argue with bigots I generally mock them sheerly for the fun of it. Your a bigot.

Again what you leave out of your response betray’s your lack of understanding and points out your bigotry Your comment about money vs. “peace” was truly priceless. Actually you introduced it. How do you think your alturistic citizens seek to have China “balance” the US.

I don’t know much about how business prospects in Nazi Germany were. The US didn’t support them, unlike many Islamic nations, which were quite enamored with the Nazi’s and still share much of the same philosphies. You understand that don’t you?

At best your a student lixy, trying to spread your bullshit. I simply point out nobody falls for it here so why waste your time, it’s dull and boring…like you.

LOOL ur pretty stupid.

Pointless isn’t it, retarded childish name calling?[/quote]

Depends on who you direct it at…asshole. Bigots hardly deserve respect.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
I don’t know much about how business prospects in Nazi Germany were. The US didn’t support them, unlike many Islamic nations, which were quite enamored with the Nazi’s and still share much of the same philosphies. You understand that don’t you?

I beg to differ.

Keep the debate constructive. Being old is no excuse for your behavior, nor is it correlated with the analytical abilities of a person.

“Wisdom doesn’t automatically come with old age. Nothing does - except wrinkles. It’s true, some wines improve with age. But only if the grapes were good in the first place.” – Unknown[/quote]

Being young is no excuse for yours…

Actually age allows you to gain experience. Specualtion, as a youth, is simply specualtion. It’s why your arguments, are merely specualtion since you have nothing to reference it to.

Besides I’m 44 and accomplished. At the peak of my game son. You don’t want to even go there. Besides it’s the internet and your integrity is suspect.

As to being constructive. When you make your first post that isn’t bigoted or some sort of regurgitated propoganda, I’ll treat you differently. As long as you remain a dumb bigoted kid, me, and apparently most of the people on this thread will treat you like a wet behind the ears kid. You haven’t earned otherwise.

A little more reliable source then the Guardian. The story you posted didn’t go anywhere you know. Failed propoganda.

This one however is an historical fact:

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
Lixy,

Ok, the jews are evil, america is great satan, i see where you are coming from.

I never said that, my friend. I merely pointed out to the neocon inclinations of the founders of the MESMI. Religion don’t matter in these contexts.

Where I come from double-checking sources is crucial. I don’t like relaying lies and that’s the reason I did some homework on that bit. It sounded pretty surreal to say the least. I mean, if those things were really said, I would do my best to denounce him everywhere and support an attack on him. But, I’m familiar with the Ayatollah and I know that he is a pretty cool-headed fellow that knows better than say such things.

But you can’t tell me that the evil zionists made up that report to pressure the US into attacking Iran, when we’ve got the president of Iran threatening to wipe Israel off the map with his own mouth.

Foreign affair decisions are the prerogative of the Supreme leader; That’s the reason no erudite would take Ahmadinejad’s comments seriously. The Iranian president is limited by the constitution to the domestic matters only.

Anyway, the fact that the article vanished from the MEMSI makes its authenticity look dubious to me.

That is the way these people think, that is the things they say and if you want to put your head in the sand and believe differently that is your problem.

Mahmoud’s infamous speech was widely reported. Yet, nobody wrote about the appeasing comments of the Supreme leader. Plus, the translation of the speech has been disputed.

I urge you to watch Ahamadinejad’s interviews. I’m sure you’ll be surprised; The image painted in the mainstream media has very little to do with the reality of what he thinks. He’s a radical alright. But compared to Bush, he sounds like a choir boy.

Would you be happy with Wahabi or Iranian style Islam all over the muslim world. Like it or not that’s what we’re fighting against.

I’ll be happy with democraticly elected governments around the world.

Hang on. If you’re fighting Wahabism, how come the Sauds are still ruling? BTW, 15 out of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. Ben Laden is Saudi and all Al Qaeda money is Saudi. Yet, you prefered to go for Iraq. So, no. You’re not fighting Wahabism.

And I think for myself. I am not presuaded by an Islamic extremist view of the world.

I think for myself too. I am against ANY form of extremism whatsoever.[/quote]

I’m sure your familiar with the Ayatollah. A "cool-headed"fellow huh? Tell us more about how you became familiar with him?

Do you really think it’s a good idea for Iran to have nuclear weapons based on the public statements they have made? Whether they “really mean them” or not is immaterial. They are adults and don’t get to vent like children and not expect to be held accountable.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
I’m sure your familiar with the Ayatollah. A "cool-headed"fellow huh? Tell us more about how you became familiar with him?[/quote]

He acquired that quality after the US invaded Iraq. America showed that it reserves the right to whimsically attack any country.

Nukes aren’t a good idea to have for anyone. That said, a Fatwa was passed in Iran that prohibits nuclear weapons and the Iranian regime claimed that it only wants to use the fuel for civil purposes. I don’t know if you’re aware, but because Saddam made so much damage to the Iranian infrastructure in the 80’s (with the support of the West!), Iran has to import a substantial portion of the oil it consumes.

On a related note, do you think invading Iraq and the “axis of evil” speech might have something to do with North Korea and Iran accelerating their nuclear program? Also, all the NPT-signatory Arab countries have announced their intentions to start a nuclear program. You think American bigotry towards Israel’s nukes might have encouraged them? I’m curious to know what you think about that.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
I’m sure your familiar with the Ayatollah. A "cool-headed"fellow huh? Tell us more about how you became familiar with him?

He acquired that quality after the US invaded Iraq. America showed that it reserves the right to whimsically attack any country.

Do you really think it’s a good idea for Iran to have nuclear weapons based on the public statements they have made? Whether they “really mean them” or not is immaterial. They are adults and don’t get to vent like children and not expect to be held accountable.

Nukes aren’t a good idea to have for anyone. That said, a Fatwa was passed in Iran that prohibits nuclear weapons and the Iranian regime claimed that it only wants to use the fuel for civil purposes. I don’t know if you’re aware, but because Saddam made so much damage to the Iranian infrastructure in the 80’s (with the support of the West!), Iran has to import a substantial portion of the oil it consumes.

On a related note, do you think invading Iraq and the “axis of evil” speech might have something to do with North Korea and Iran accelerating their nuclear program? Also, all the NPT-signatory Arab countries have announced their intentions to start a nuclear program. You think American bigotry towards Israel’s nukes might have encouraged them? I’m curious to know what you think about that.[/quote]

Your comment about the ayatollah is non-sensical to the discussion. Simply more bigotry and prejudice on your part, not even thinly vieled. Perhaps you just say what your told.

America is not bigoted towards Israel’s nuclear program. Bigotry is a negative emotion and expression and could hardly applies to a countries weapons program. You are bigoted against America is a proper utilization of the term. America niether supports or encourages the Israeli program. If we did we would exhibit a bias. All that being said Israel hasn’t sworn to wipe Iran or anyone else off the map. You fellow travellers in Iran have. That’s the issue. See the difference?

Israel’s nukes almost can’t be used. If they use them premptively to stop an Iranian attack they will be vilified. If they use them too late, Israel will be destroyed. My bet is they will will use them premtively and put up with the consequences. Iranian posturing simply adds to the risk of a nuclear exchange.

You do realize the Arab countries are building nukes as a deterrent to Iran…who wants them to attack US interests and Isreal and create a regional superpower to extort weaker producers. Arabs don’t like Persian expansion very much…sorry to inform you.

DO you also realize that Iran EXPORTS OIL but imports refined GASOLINE. Sadaam never destroyed much refining capacity. The Iranians through mismangement and sanctions due to their criminal activities against the US Embassy did that. They don’t teach that at Terhan U but facts can be a little pesky.

Now why would they worlds second largest oil producer need nuclear power? Do you really think the rest of the world are as naive as those in the Middle East?

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Being young is no excuse for yours…[/quote]

I was referring to the temper-losing and name-calling. I’m doing my best to remain civil.

[/quote]Besides it’s the internet and your integrity is suspect.[/quote]

On the other hand, your integrity is unquestionable. I see how it works…

People are quoting MESMI and Fox. The Guardian is neutral in comparison. Plus it just happened to be the 1st Google hit on “US investement nazi germany”.

[quote]This one however is an historical fact:

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You were the one who claimed no US money went into Germany in the 30’s. I never claimed som Arabs didn’t support Hitler. I’m not naive enough to think that. People that called themselves Muslims did some very bad things in the past and some are still comitting atrocities. I have no problem admitting that.

Keep in mind that Nazis discriminated against Arabs as well: From the Wiki:

“Untermenschen” (litt. “Under-human”). It included the Gypsies/Roma, also subject to extermination during Porrajmos. Includes all miniscule numbers of darker-skinned German nationals: non-whites from colonial times of African, Middle Eastern, Asiatic and Latin American origin-if not of evident non-Germanic ancestries, residing in Germany at the time. Homosexuals and disabled people were also considered to be part of this category, and subject to eugenics policies, including compulsory sterilization, internment, etc.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
Being young is no excuse for yours…

I was referring to the temper-losing and name-calling. I’m doing my best to remain civil.

Besides it’s the internet and your integrity is suspect.

On the other hand, your integrity is unquestionable. I see how it works…

A little more reliable source then the Guardian. The story you posted didn’t go anywhere you know. Failed propoganda.

People are quoting MESMI and Fox. The Guardian is neutral in comparison. Plus it just happened to be the 1st Google hit on “US investement nazi germany”.

This one however is an historical fact:

You were the one who claimed no US money went into Germany in the 30’s. I never claimed som Arabs didn’t support Hitler. I’m not naive enough to think that. People that called themselves Muslims did some very bad things in the past and some are still comitting atrocities. I have no problem admitting that.

Keep in mind that Nazis discriminated against Arabs as well: From the Wiki:

“Untermenschen” (litt. “Under-human”). It included the Gypsies/Roma, also subject to extermination during Porrajmos. Includes all miniscule numbers of darker-skinned German nationals: non-whites from colonial times of African, Middle Eastern, Asiatic and Latin American origin-if not of evident non-Germanic ancestries, residing in Germany at the time. Homosexuals and disabled people were also considered to be part of this category, and subject to eugenics policies, including compulsory sterilization, internment, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_policy_of_Nazi_Germany[/quote]

Actuall my intergrity is quite good. I’m a long term member with lots of friends, many who have met me in the real world. My interests are also varied outside of the political forum. I’ve helped quite a few folks that asked for it and have recieved the same back in return. It is first and foremost a training site.

You need to read more literally. Read what I wrote about America and supporting the Nazi’s financially and then you can correct your post. Do they really tell you the Guardian is nuetral?

There’s a difference between being accused of owning stock in a company that had ties to Nazi Germany and which is most likely propoganda and sensationalism and actively recruiting soldiers for the SS…I’m sure even you can see that.

Husayni didn’t just call himself Muslim, lot’s of others called him their leader and his antics are still widely admired in the Arab world…he’s one of the founding fathers of radicalism. More admired then condemened don’t you think.

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[quote]texasguy wrote:

the world is a big place people. lets get out from under our rocks and understand that shitty people are every where and in every country, and that they do not necessarily represent the majority.
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Indeed. We must also remember that the majority of the inhabitants of the planet Earth lack the frame of reference to understand cultures that differ from their own. This lack of understanding causes fear.

It is this fear we are really defending ourselves against. Ignorance and good intentions are the two leading causes of malevolence. And when the two combine forces the results are most wicked.

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[quote]jumper wrote:

Your friends family is the minority. They hate us more than lixy and reckless, except they have foot soldiers who are willing to act. I can tell you from personal expierience. Unless they are certain groups of Kurdish or very liberal muslims(few moderates) which are about 25%, they support jihadi efforts. [/quote]

You actually know all 1 billion Muslims to be able to say who supports terroristic efforts? You are a liar and or your mind has been warped by Iraq.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Besides it’s the internet and your integrity is suspect.

[/quote]

Ummmm…OK?!

Anyone that questions someone’s “internet intergrity” makes me laugh.

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I’m not a muslim, but I have lived when I was a kid in a totalitarian regime (communism) and have some direct experience with the Iranian theocracy, not to mention other muslim countries.

People who vilify US of A as the source of evil in the world, especially those living in welfare states such as Sweden, simply cannot grasp that they cannot apply the universal Western standards to the whole world.

For the record, I believe the current US goverment led by Dubya and his neocons is spectacularly incompetent. And one of the reasons is that is trying to apply simplistic, Western oriented concepts to a completely different culture.

And this is the same fault the “America haters” do. Blaming Bush is easy. He’s incoherent, fumbling, and what is most important - he won’t send an execution squad to your house to punish you for expressing your opinion.

That’s why the hordes of nearly hysterical anti-Bush protesters that accompany him on every foreign trip fail to see - their protesting actually underpins the American “benevolence” as a global imperial power.

In the late USSR or today’s Teheran, they would be sit in a dark basement while someone ripped their fingernails out.

I’m not saying that the USA is the most benevolent superpower possible and without serious flaws, but in the grand scheme of things, especially RELATIVELY compared to other options, they come out as the best option.

Like I said, hating Bush and US of A is easy and harmless. He’s yout typical comic-book villain.

However, if the European left started worrying about the REAL villains, they would see that the outlook is much more dark and frightening, and definitely not like in comic books.

For example, in Teheran I was explained that as a Westerner I would be tolerated to walk the streets with rolled-up sleeves (it was middle of the summer). Unmarked vans of the religious police patrolled the streets for any Iranians caught wearing short sleeve shirt. I was told that such “perpetrators” would be ushered in the van and later dissappeared.

Western Europeans and Westerners cannot grasp this concept, the same way they cannot grasp political trials during communism for “verbal offences”.

The main problem with the Muslim world is ignorance - for example, more books are translated from foreign languages yearly in Greece than in all Muslim countries together.

In the West, we may laugh about the boycotting of “Ariel” washing powders based on rumours that they are honoring Sharon, or the Iranian paranoia about the “conspiracy” with the movie 300.

I have met fantastic people in Teheran - friendly, hospitable, educated and very much like the “Westerners” - a far cry from the “axis of evil” portrayed in the Bush speeches.

However, these same people frantically lock their doors when police patrols, staffed by men who only spent several years in a state-sponsored religious school, come to more affluent neighbourhoods to “discipline” the “decadents”.

I mean, what should they do? If the universities and theatres in the West avoid “sensitive” topics about Islam, and every suicide threat for even trifle reasons sends chills down the spine of Europeans, one cannot blame the moderate Muslims for not standing up against the extremists.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Keep in mind that Nazis discriminated against Arabs as well: From the Wiki:

“Untermenschen” (litt. “Under-human”). It included the Gypsies/Roma, also subject to extermination during Porrajmos. Includes all miniscule numbers of darker-skinned German nationals: non-whites from colonial times of African, Middle Eastern, Asiatic and Latin American origin-if not of evident non-Germanic ancestries, residing in Germany at the time. Homosexuals and disabled people were also considered to be part of this category, and subject to eugenics policies, including compulsory sterilization, internment, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_policy_of_Nazi_Germany[/quote]

Ah yes, that’s why Himmler insisted on forming SS divisions (Handschar and Kama) from Bosnian Muslims, as well as SS units from Albanians (SS division Skenderbeg) not to mention Turkish-speaking national groups from the Causasus.

That’s why they incited an anti-British revolt in Iraq, and had several meetings with leading Iraqi clerics.

Among other things, Himmler, when not obsessing about the occult and germanic pagan cults, was of the opinion that Islam waould be an ideal religion for “German warriors”

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
hedo wrote:
Besides it’s the internet and your integrity is suspect.

Ummmm…OK?!

Anyone that questions someone’s “internet intergrity” makes me laugh.
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Glad to hear it. Stuff you write gives me a laugh all the time too.

Do you know 1 billion Muslims?-that was priceless.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
America is not bigoted towards Israel’s nuclear program. Bigotry is a negative emotion and expression and could hardly applies to a countries weapons program.[/quote]

Bigot \Big"ot, n. [F. bigot a bigot or hypocrite, a name once given to the Normans in France. Of unknown origin; possibly akin to Sp. bigote a whisker; hombre de bigote a man of
spirit and vigor; cf. It. s-bigottire to terrify, to appall. Wedgwood and others maintain that bigot is from the same source as Beguine, Beghard.] [1913 Webster]

  1. A hypocrite; esp., a superstitious hypocrite. [Obs.] [1913 Webster]
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[quote]lixy wrote:
hedo wrote:
America is not bigoted towards Israel’s nuclear program. Bigotry is a negative emotion and expression and could hardly applies to a countries weapons program.

Bigot \Big"ot, n. [F. bigot a bigot or hypocrite, a name once given to the Normans in France. Of unknown origin; possibly akin to Sp. bigote a whisker; hombre de bigote a man of
spirit and vigor; cf. It. s-bigottire to terrify, to appall. Wedgwood and others maintain that bigot is from the same source as Beguine, Beghard.] [1913 Webster]

  1. A hypocrite; esp., a superstitious hypocrite. [Obs.] [1913 Webster]
    [/quote]

Wow that’s pretty deep dude. So we are a “man of spirit and vigor” towards Israel’s nuclear program…now I get it. Or are you implying we are “superstitious hypocrite’s”. I mean that makes a lot more sense…right.

Can I pro-Iranian, Muslim really say the US is hypocritical, with a straight face, with regards to Iran’s nuclear program?

Your a bigot against America Lixy…that should be clear enough if your looking for context. Simply read your posts, your bigotry is apparent.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Your a bigot against America Lixy…that should be clear enough if your looking for context. Simply read your posts, your bigotry is apparent.
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Wierd. I see bigotry against American policy in his posts but that doesn’t equate to “agianst America”, as you say. He seems smarter in his writing than to state without regard that America is evil. In fact, anyone who states a generalization of that nature is plain ignorant/bigoted. I don’t see that at all in any of his posts and I could very well say that you are bigoted against anything that he writes. You may not agree with his world view but does that make him bigoted against America? It makes me think that you either don’t read anyhing he writes or have selective memory to what he has written–i.e., bigoted.

Criticiszing something doesn’t really mean someone is bigoted against it and this is just a really silly argument.

Lixy, keep up the good, well thought out, and analytical posts. This does not mean I agree with you 100%…half of the people who post on here could use a lesson in critical thinking.

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[quote]hedo wrote:
Can I pro-Iranian, Muslim really say the US is hypocritical, with a straight face, with regards to Iran’s nuclear program?[/quote]

Double standards. That, in a nutshell, is the definition of a hyprocrite. And, yes, double-standards are evidently part of US foreign policy.

For the record, I am no more pro-Iranian than pro-Guinean or pro-Tibetan. I don’t like the regime in Tehran and would be very much happy to see it reformed. I have no sympathy for Ahmadinejad or his methods. But I know the constant pressure, threats of violence and other sanctions only consolidate their powers and ensure that even the moderates rally around him.