Multiple Attackers and a Pistol

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A suspect in a Newport, N.C. road rage incident fired shots on Sunday.

A case of road rage escalated into gunplay after shots were fired near Newport, N.C., on Sunday.

Carteret County deputies searched for two suspects – a man and a woman – and released cell phone video of the incident. WITN reported that both suspects turned themselves in at Lenoir County Courthouse on Monday.

Update: 3/26, 10:15 a.m. – WITN reports that the suspects, Christy and Bradley Turner, have been charged. Bradley Turner is charged with discharging a weapon into property, two counts of assault by pointing a gun, going armed to the terror of the people, injury to personal property, and assault. His wife, Christy Turner is charged with two counts of assault by pointing a gun. The couple posted $38,500 bond.

Previously:
Footage of the incident shows a white man with light brown hair and a goatee confront a younger-looking man in a pickup truck and accuse him of trying to “run [him] off the road.”

The male suspect appears to punch the driver, but the victim and a witness get out of the car and proceed to beat the suspect, who is knocked into his own vehicle and then onto the ground. At that point, the female suspect appears to hand the man a gun, which he then fires into the pickup truck.

No one was hurt by the gunfire.

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He is going to jail.

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Plea bargain now, you might not get sent to a work farm. NC prison is no joke.

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[quote]magick wrote:

Oh absolutely. Like I said in my first post, the man voided all claims of self-defense the moment he pointed the gun at the kids after they ran into the car. He deserves to face the full fury of the law.[/quote]

Actually it was far before that - it was probably when he got out of the car and hit the kid. If the situation escalates from there, which it did, he’s in super shady legal territory.

What a dumbass.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

Oh absolutely. Like I said in my first post, the man voided all claims of self-defense the moment he pointed the gun at the kids after they ran into the car. He deserves to face the full fury of the law.[/quote]

Actually it was far before that - it was probably when he got out of the car and hit the kid. If the situation escalates from there, which it did, he’s in super shady legal territory.

What a dumbass.[/quote]

There are states where, if you disengage from the fight and are pursued and then confronted by a legal self defense situation, you could claim self defense. But I wouldn’t want to have to make that case. Self defense is a hard enough argument without the additional baggage of trying to prove you disengaged and were reengaged against your will.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

Oh absolutely. Like I said in my first post, the man voided all claims of self-defense the moment he pointed the gun at the kids after they ran into the car. He deserves to face the full fury of the law.[/quote]

Actually it was far before that - it was probably when he got out of the car and hit the kid. If the situation escalates from there, which it did, he’s in super shady legal territory.

What a dumbass.[/quote]

His lawyer could make a “fighting” effort to claim something from the mere push/punch/w.e. it was he did at the kid. At the very least something that could create a story of sorts.

But there is absolutely no chance of that when he drew a gun on people who are fleeing.

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[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/25/newport-road-rage-suspect-shots-fired-video_n_2950918.html[/quote]

Yep, Rednecks*… That clears it up nicely. Kids commit vehicular assault and given how amped the guy was, they probably came darned close to getting him and his wife wrapped around a tree. Guy tries to punch driver and gets beaten. Yeah, he should have called the cops at this point – unless he thought they might be up for finishing the job. For those of you who are experts on how ineffective the kids were, 2 on 1 is a lethal force situation for the driver. One stunning blow to the head and he gets stomped to death in front of his wife. She grabbed a gun since she is too weak to handle to assailants – disparity of force goes the other way. I’m pretty sure she was already thinking about what might happen to her once her husband was gone. He fires warning shots into the car to force them to flee. He could have shot them both dead, but I figure this guy knew he was on camera and was already working on his self-defense claim which he can probably make stick.

I says win for the dude, though yes, even though they started it, he should not have stayed engaged. That is immaterial, once it turned into a 2 on 1 assault, the kids became the assailant. I can see a couple of trials resulting from the various bits of this.

But what the fuck do I know?

– jj

  • A redneck is someone who isn’t happy unless they are pissed off about something. Politics and class are immaterial to be one. Most of the rednecks in this thread are posting, not in the video, imho…
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[quote]jj-dude wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/25/newport-road-rage-suspect-shots-fired-video_n_2950918.html[/quote]

Yep, Rednecks*… That clears it up nicely. Kids commit vehicular assault and given how amped the guy was, they probably came darned close to getting him and his wife wrapped around a tree. Guy tries to punch driver and gets beaten. Yeah, he should have called the cops at this point – unless he thought they might be up for finishing the job. For those of you who are experts on how ineffective the kids were, 2 on 1 is a lethal force situation for the driver. One stunning blow to the head and he gets stomped to death in front of his wife. She grabbed a gun since she is too weak to handle to assailants – disparity of force goes the other way. I’m pretty sure she was already thinking about what might happen to her once her husband was gone. He fires warning shots into the car to force them to flee. He could have shot them both dead, but I figure this guy knew he was on camera and was already working on his self-defense claim which he can probably make stick.

I says win for the dude, though yes, even though they started it, he should not have stayed engaged. That is immaterial, once it turned into a 2 on 1 assault, the kids became the assailant. I can see a couple of trials resulting from the various bits of this.

But what the fuck do I know?

– jj

  • A redneck is someone who isn’t happy unless they are pissed off about something. Politics and class are immaterial to be one. Most of the rednecks in this thread are posting, not in the video, imho…[/quote]

First, there is no evidence of vehicular assault. Nobody had damage or injury. The older man was conjecturing some sort of incident but that is only his perception and it is probably 100% wrong. Following someone and attacking them even if there had been an accident is not justified.

the young boys were frightned and just one of them could not fight off this large, obviously enraged man so his buddy jumped in to save his life possibly and he was saddened horribly by the thought that his friend might be killed by the lunatic man…See where i am going.
Then there is a firearm brought into play.
You cannot fire warning shots. You cannot fire shots at someone who is alread fleeing. The old dude committed two felonies on camera the boys at most have a misdemeanor except they were defending themselves from someone who attacked them unprovoked.

It is also obvious that the laws see it the same way since both the old man and his wife went to jail and the kids got what??

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[quote]jj-dude wrote:

[quote]Captnoblivious wrote:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/25/newport-road-rage-suspect-shots-fired-video_n_2950918.html[/quote]

Yep, Rednecks*… That clears it up nicely. Kids commit vehicular assault and given how amped the guy was, they probably came darned close to getting him and his wife wrapped around a tree. Guy tries to punch driver and gets beaten. Yeah, he should have called the cops at this point – unless he thought they might be up for finishing the job. For those of you who are experts on how ineffective the kids were, 2 on 1 is a lethal force situation for the driver. One stunning blow to the head and he gets stomped to death in front of his wife. She grabbed a gun since she is too weak to handle to assailants – disparity of force goes the other way. I’m pretty sure she was already thinking about what might happen to her once her husband was gone. He fires warning shots into the car to force them to flee. He could have shot them both dead, but I figure this guy knew he was on camera and was already working on his self-defense claim which he can probably make stick.

I says win for the dude, though yes, even though they started it, he should not have stayed engaged. That is immaterial, once it turned into a 2 on 1 assault, the kids became the assailant. I can see a couple of trials resulting from the various bits of this.

But what the fuck do I know?

– jj

  • A redneck is someone who isn’t happy unless they are pissed off about something. Politics and class are immaterial to be one. Most of the rednecks in this thread are posting, not in the video, imho…[/quote]

First, don’t take the redneck thing wrong. Irish is from one of those uppity coastal places where they have more teeth than trees. I don’t think he was trying to insult any of us in flyover country. Actually, you might not be in flyover country. How close to Chicago are you?

Next:
http://www.wnct.com/story/21781289/carteret-county-deputies-looking-road-rage-shooting-suspect-and-family

The article I linked seems to suggest that it was the shooter who followed the kids into their neighborhood and pressed the violence.

Now, I am not ruling out that the kids could have been committing multiple counts of aggravated dickweedery to prompt such indignation, but electing to run up to a parked vehicle and slug the driver is at best “consensual combat”(not sure if NC has any kind of “fighting words” or other law that allows prior actions to strip victim status) and at worst battery. Hell, if the kids were oblivious it might be indistinguishable from the beginnings of a carjacking or aggravated assault.

The 2 on one windmill fest could easily be painted as an appropriate response, especially since the kids/“victims”/windmillers backed off once the shooter dropped and went fetal. At that point there was an opportunity to disengage. Instead there was a doubling down of stupid.

For the record, I have zero issue with the wife’s actions. If the kids would have returned THAN it could be painted as a good shoot(messy, but it might fly) and I don’t think she was under any obligation to try to win a fist fight her husband couldn’t. However, the shooter elected to follow. He elected to leave the safety of his vehicle and punch another driver. He then elected to fire rounds. I don’t see any immediate danger, and that makes those bad bullets to launch.

As for

I am unaware of this being legal, let alone advisable, in the private sector anywhere CONUS. I don’t know if there is leeway with regards to incarcerated, duly convicted felons (there are some on this board that would know) but “warning shots”, just like anchoring shots, are seriously frowned upon when fired by us plebeians.

Merely pointing a firearm is a threat of lethal force, and should be done with a full willingness, due to need, to burn the fucking target down. Discharging said firearm is the use of deadly force. Doing it as a “warning” is essentially admitting that you are using force you did not feel was absolutely necessary. Force that was directed somewhere, in this case one of the rounds hit a previously uninvolved parties home. Electing to warn a group of scamps off by subjecting me to incoming fire is not going to earn you the coveted Redneck adulation of “Your a good guy. You can come over to my house and fuck my sister.”

So, no warning shots. If your would be mugger/murderer de-jour wanted one than he should have worn a fucking vest.

Regards,

Robert A (who speaks 3 languages. Dumb guy normal speak. Over-educated clinician. And S.P.I.B.-that’s South Pennsylvania In-Bred for all you fancy folk.)

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Unlawful discharge of a firearm is handled at the local level in NC, as there are rural areas where being allowed to shoot makes sense and urbanareas where it does not. However, if you fire ttowards someone you’re probably being charged with class E felony assault (worse if you hit them). Minimum sentence on a class E felony was 63 months last I checked.

Edit to add: the initial fight will probably be charged as affray, a class 2 misdemeanor, up to 60 days in jail and a $1000 fine.

Standard disclaimers apply: I’m not licensed in nc, this is not specific legal advice, nothing said to me here makes me your lawyer or is entitled to attorney client privilege.

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[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
Unlawful discharge of a firearm is handled at the local level in NC, as there are rural areas where being allowed to shoot makes sense and urbanareas where it does not. However, if you fire ttowards someone you’re probably being charged with class E felony assault (worse if you hit them). Minimum sentence on a class E felony was 63 months last I checked.

Edit to add: the initial fight will probably be charged as affray, a class 2 misdemeanor, up to 60 days in jail and a $1000 fine.

Standard disclaimers apply: I’m not licensed in nc, this is not specific legal advice, nothing said to me here makes me your lawyer or is entitled to attorney client privilege. [/quote]

for further info: in Georgia firing a weapon at an individual in a non-self defense situation is aggravated assault. “fighting” could be either simple battery, simple assault, disorderly conduct…etc…no matter the charges, you can be assured of a expensive legal battle.

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Two thoughts
The fat guy let his ego win over his good sense, not only shooting the gun - but by putting his wife and child in potential harm over ruffled feathers.

Also I could see wifey getting off by coming to aid of hubby even though he started it. They basically ambushed him like they had been practicing a 2 on 1 assault. I know he started it, but most groups of guys are not going to rush in full tilt and in force from the start, unless they are hooligans to begin with.

I have to admit the fighting skills were so poor and they retaliation so quick (with video going to boot) I originally thought this was for show. The whole thing just looked manufactured.

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[quote]idaho wrote:

[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
Unlawful discharge of a firearm is handled at the local level in NC, as there are rural areas where being allowed to shoot makes sense and urbanareas where it does not. However, if you fire ttowards someone you’re probably being charged with class E felony assault (worse if you hit them). Minimum sentence on a class E felony was 63 months last I checked.

Edit to add: the initial fight will probably be charged as affray, a class 2 misdemeanor, up to 60 days in jail and a $1000 fine.

Standard disclaimers apply: I’m not licensed in nc, this is not specific legal advice, nothing said to me here makes me your lawyer or is entitled to attorney client privilege. [/quote]

for further info: in Georgia firing a weapon at an individual in a non-self defense situation is aggravated assault. “fighting” could be either simple battery, simple assault, disorderly conduct…etc…no matter the charges, you can be assured of a expensive legal battle. [/quote]

I think “Shoot Now, Think Later” has only been charged with misdemeanors so far, see article I linked.

Also, if I get arrested I am totally yelling out “I AM REPRESENTED BY VEGITA, SO YOU CAN’T TOUCH ME!!!” At least that’s what I got from Jim’s post.

Regards,

Robert A

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Interesting how the article describes the two guys in the truck as “attacking” the other guy after he followed them for miles and punched one in the face.

On another note I have always found it interesting how our Govt or countries in general do not follow the laws that they profess at home. If they did we would have only been involved in a few wars in the history of our country.

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[quote]Robert A wrote:
I think “Shoot Now, Think Later” has only been charged with misdemeanors so far, see article I linked.

Also, if I get arrested I am totally yelling out “I AM REPRESENTED BY VEGITA, SO YOU CAN’T TOUCH ME!!!” At least that’s what I got from Jim’s post.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]
Having link problems on my phone, but the shooter is lucky. Most prosecutors charge high then bargain down.

And Vegita does not recognize the laws of your backwater planet.

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Anyone riding around with their wife and kid should just not respond to road rage or whatever it was that set this dude off. He threw a sucker punch and got beat up, isn’t that just karma?

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[quote]devildog_jim wrote:
Having link problems on my phone, but the shooter is lucky. Most prosecutors charge high then bargain down.
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I think the prosecutor is using the charges against the wife for that leverage, she caught 2.

Other than dressing like a Charlie’s Angels extra I don’t think she did anything particularly off. I am not sure she “pointed” the gun at anyone, it looked more like a low ready to me.

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And Vegita does not recognize the laws of your backwater planet.[/quote]
And That’s the internet for tonight. Thanks everyone for your submissions.

Regards,

Robert A

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Saw this video on 20/20 or some ABC deal last night. Interestig to say the least when you hear the whole story. The dude followed the kids for over 30 minutes! That is some dedication to being a cocksucking asshole. If he followed me that far I would have came out attacking him and you can count on that.
Second he got his ass kicked, left and then came back and shot up the place… dude is off his rocker. I don’t see any lawyer having a defense for that type of action.

His lawyer talking about him being a hard working citizen bullcrap. I would bet the farm its not the first time this guy has followed someone.

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Sucker puncher got pounded and is going to jail. Fucking awesome. Well done, kids.

Would have done exactly the same to anyone following me to my home and hitting me first. In a case I was on my own, I wouldn’t even use my fists, my knees, elbows or some chilli pepper spray to disfigure the motherfucker. My crowbar always rests on the passenger seat for this kind of situation.

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Woot… bad ass kids lol Gave him a good licking. Licking his blood in shame. So tough pointing a gun after getting ass kicked and walking back to car realising you’re really fucked now lol ego.