When people are trying to burn my house down with me in it, I’m not going to even consider if they have much of a chance accomplishing it. I could have the best fire resistance designed house ever! If you attempt light a building on fire with people in it, you are trying to burn down a building with people in it.
I think that’s a bit too hand wavey for such a serious and dangerous act. I guess I don’t understand why it should be mentioned.
I recently watched a woman (on video) caught in an apartment fire throw her baby off a balcony into the arms of a fast thinking citizen below. Apparently she perished in the fire, though her actions saved her small child. Couldn’t help but think on the agony it must be to burn to death. Or how quickly one can become lost, overcome, and incapacitated in ones own home. Where you would think you could quickly find your way out to an exit. Some kind of exit. Horrifying.
Did the terrorists know if there were holding cells, by the way? Curious about that. Imagine being burned alive trapped in a cell.
I see it along the lines of throwing rocks at an armored humvee when the thrower has a stockpile of RPGs and grenades at his disposal.
The rioters can easily get guns, and if they wanted to kill cops, could easily kill cops. So why wouldnt they do that? Likewise, again, the cops are very safe in that building from any kind of fire threat (and the rioters likely understand that).
Im not excusing the acts of the rioters, as i think they are illegal, terroristic acts. But i simply dont see how a reasonable argument could be made that the fires are attempted murder, the same way i wouldnt argue that throwing rocks at an armored humvee is attempted murder. Saying that the rioters tried to burn the cops alive is a little like saying that rock thrower was trying to stone people to death. Its a very large exaggeration of the event.
I would assume that no prisoners are being held at the courthouse due to the riots, but also b/c courthouses typically only house short term inmates for trial, and those folks have all been released on bail due to covid or transferred to long term facilities. As for dying in a fire, i think most folks pass out from either smoke inhalation, or lack of oxygen prior to burning alive… but apparently the nerves get burned off fairly quickly so i remember hearing somewhere that its not actually THAT painful of a death. But fuck that, im not willing to find out. Still seems like a terrible awful way to go.
Think about this. You shoot at cops, they can shoot back. It is not as easy as you think.
Seems pretty easy for a coward to take a pot shot from the back of the crowd and not suffer any consequences (immediately anyways). Its not like the police are going to just open up on an entire crowd of people because 1-2 shots came out of it.
You think so? Regardless, it would be hard to do because…
people would be in the way. So you need to be on higher ground than the crowd or close to the front.
Or at an oblique angle, or like you said- on a porch, or standing on a park bench, or a fire escape, or top of a car, or… Lots of places to get a good shot from, and then fade into the night.
What do you think would happen in this country if a dozen cops opened up on a crowd indiscriminately with live ammo because they took 1 or 2 incoming bullets? I would certainly hope the officers would have better judgment, but lets play that what-if game…
That’s not the point. If some moron is counting on the police not shooting back, they might be wrong.
The thing is, the police are not exactly unaware of these possibilities so they do have cops looking out for things like that. Do these protesters believe that they are not under surveillance? They even use drones to observe these protests. The facial recognition tech that is available, coupled with the protesters’ love of social media, makes it hard for any of them to get away with anything. Why do you think BLM is against police having cameras set up to catch criminal activity?
I dunno, that’s how a totally peaceful business owner with no record and a long history of giving cops free meals in the south died…they opened up because “they heard shots” and he got smoked.
Well…morbid thought again, but if the steps of the courthouse are raised, you can shoot up, over the crowd. Not unlike why you can see a concert stage while not in the front row…
I hope we never find out.
It also aids the police who are looking down. The cops aren’t just standing there; they are watching the crowd.
You are assigning a purity of intention to these rioters that we not demonstrated by the facts. They tried twice to burn it down, with people inside. They knew people where inside because they were screaming. They barricaded the doors so the people could not escape. I certainly cannot give any benefit of the doubt to the rioters in this case, they knew exactly what they were doing.
And you have yet to even don a merciful or kind word for the victims of any of these riots. These are real people, really suffering.
The problem I have with what you have been saying about all these incidents is you continuously minimize the riotous acts, “there not that bad”, “it’s not that big”, “most of the city is fine” and always assuming the best of intentions. It’s a very human thing to do, but it is flawed.
The riots have been on going now for 75 days in Portland. Not one kind word for the victims of the violence, cover for the rioters.
I think you fall into an all to common mistake most people, including myself, make. We all tend to assign our own sense of morality to others, we wouldn’t do it, so others couldn’t possibly do it either. I think you underestimate evil especially evil by a mob. What ever a person may or may not do is exacerbated exponentially in a mob mentality.
History shows us human depravity, especially in connections with mobs has no bottom.
I myself have been wondering how the hell anybody has the energy to do this crap, everyday night after night. I didn’t factor in the power of Meth. I had long forgotten that Portland is the epicenter for the Meth epidemic. So I would guess this violence is fueled by Meth.
As Hunter S. Thompson said, “You can turn your back on a person, but you cannot turn your back on a drug.” This, however, is my guess, I have no idea if it’s true, but I wouldn’t be surprised. Meth fuels and wins wars, after all. And it can turn good people, evil.
Because its a tactic, dude. They know if they open fire with live ammo, they will be crushed in seconds. So they use something called 4th generational warfare. Less-lethal, consistent attacks not enough to garner full retaliation, but enough to hurt and possible maim or cause death later, but not overtly. These tactics are deliberate and coordinated and well funded.
" A 4GW enemy has the following characteristics: lack of hierarchical authority, lack of formal structure, patience and flexibility, ability to keep a low profile when needed, and small size.[6] A 4GW adversary might use the tactics of an insurgent, terrorist, or guerrilla in order to wage war against a nation’s infrastructure. Fourth generation warfare takes place on all fronts: economical, political, the media, military, and civilian. Conventional military forces often have to adapt tactics to fight a 4GW enemy."
See:
The police won’t respond with overwhelming force, the guns are for last resort… That’s the point. The guy who fired the weapon, probably was admonished by his leadership.
Fair enough. It was relatively tame in Atlanta, because the governor was not fucking around. He allowed the mayor to try her little autonomous zone, then these BLM maniacs shot an 8 yr old girl, a black girl. It got stomped out in a big fat hurry after that. It’s just sad that it came to that.
Back to the topic, tell me why the MSM just flat ignored this story? Now flip the races of the folks involved and muse about how it would be covered:
Sometimes the best course is to let people fail. To experience that failure. For the actors involved to create their own proof.
It is extraordinarily and irrevocably unfortunate that these people were killed in these “social experiments”. Unfortunately, it seems like nothing less gets through to these idiots.
You’re giving them too much credit. The failures have been apparent for decades and they have yet to notice them so I doubt they will recognize the failures of the future. They are so stubborn and stupid, they just change the definition of failure.
Look at BLM, for years people have said cops need bodycams. They have wanted cameras in the inner cities and technology that will pick up gunfire and let cops know where it is occurring. This is what the people most affected want. Oh, they also want more cops.
Why is BLM against all of these things? Add to that BLM wants to abolish prisons and jail. In effect, all of the things that provide evidence of a community’s failings are what they want gone. It’s as if, in their minds, it becomes: if someone commits a crime but there are no cops, jails, prisons or technology that can record the crime, was a crime actually committed? Then you will have a massive reduction in crime stats (which must mean there has been a reduction in crime). Then BLM can claim that their way is working.
If a tree falls in the forest… 
Yeah. It’s very childish, almost an animistic level of thinking.
Oh the mayor wasn’t happy about the Nat. Guard coming in, but she had no choice. There’s a giant red wall in her way.
That sit-in was a failure from the get-go and a baby paid the price. I get really upset when kids get hurt. Fortunately, they caught the guy, pretty sure they will put him under the prison. If not for swift action, Atlanta would be a hell-scape. It barely ticks above that on a normal day.
Yes but as someone who has watched crowds with security in mind, I think spotting a masked perpetrator out of a crowd on a dark night is less likely than sighting in on one of a few individuals standing alone and using crowd as cover for evil intentions.