Mountain Dog Diet Thread

[killerDIRK]

[quote]MODOK wrote:

[quote]Dan_Grr wrote:
Good Calories Bad Calories has a number of flaws (Taubes is dead set on his ideas)… I disagree with that recommendation.[/quote]

One of the best things a person can do is to read books that they don’t agree with. If you are a Christian, read a book on Islam or Buddhism…if you are a Democrat, read Reagan’s autobiography, etc. Just because you read a book doesn’t mean you have to adopt its tenants as your personal beliefs. You read to get a clearer picture of the entire subject.

excellent point MODOK, keep your friends close and enemies closer. Or in this case keep your point but
study the points others have to offer !

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[bigandstrong24]

[quote]MODOK wrote:

[quote]bigandstrong24 wrote:
I think we should mention that their would be worldwide famine if the world suddenly decided to eat like this.

We as humans are ADAPTIVE organisms. This does not mean we should all eat like shit but I feel if one has the basis covered. I.E. D3, Fish Oil, Probiotics/Digestive Enzymes and eats a diet consisting of non organic meats (sigh), non organic fruit and veggies, healthy fats (vco, evoo, pasture butter, pasture eggs) which are cheap and pretty practical they would be perfectly healthy. This is assuming they avoid obvious stuff like commercial dairy, grains, vegetables oils, and junk food. MODOK, I love wild game and organic fruits as much as the next guy but can we really blame the fucked up health of your patients on non organic meat and fruits/veggies? or is it the years upon years of following a fucked diet and abusing junk food/partaking in no straining physical activity on a daily basis that did them in. Lets get real man.[/quote]

You are absolutely incorrect about the worldwide famine. It has been shown that rotational grazing of cattle produces more calories per acre of beef than CAFO feedlots and the corn that feeds them. That is a tired old propaganda argument from Monsanto. YOu should look into the government subsidizing of farms here in the US to find out how many acres the government is paying the farmers NOT to use for planting crops.

Its true that humans are adaptive organisms, but humans can’t adapt in a positive manner to a diet devoid of essential nutrients. There is a large chasm between “surviving” and “thriving”. I would think that the population of this website, with your emphasis on taking the best supplements and being the best physically would welcome that.

How do you know you have “all the bases covered” with the list above? You don’t. Even though its a good list, you are only going on conventional wisdom. You really should seek to look deeper into the subject to see if you can discover some things the mainstream isn’t telling you about our modern diet.

My patients certainly have a different set of problems than what we are discussing here. They, for the most part, have no semblence of a diet. They are also in the middle of various chronic diseases. I never made the point that not eating organic food was the cause of their problem. You are confusing two separate points I made in this thread about two different subjects.
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Cool, thanks MODOK. I wasn’t trying to argue just trying to have a productive discussion. I am a city boy so I guess this is just an excuse for me not to go out of my way to buy GF/Organic stuff. I mean I go to whole foods for eggs, pasture butter and what not but like Steely I am not really sure those guys are selling what they are advertising.

I’ll definetly look more into the subject and keep an eye on your posts as I always do. And about the patient thing I guess it was just a mix up, I tend to skim through most posts and must have gotten confused about the message you were trying to convey. Great posts man.

EDIT/ BTW what would you add to that supplement list to “cover the bases, so to speak.” ?

[ds1973]

Dammit. I read an article like this (below) and I think: “Those OCD bastards on T-Nation are right”. You read stuff like this and want to go drink a chelating agent…

Arsenic found in popular juice brands (not that most of us drink juice, but read on)

Yahoo Life: Latest News on Health, Wellness, Style, Fashion Trends and More

With info like, regarding chicken feed on page 2:

Other arsenic feed additives are still being used.

On sources of the apples in the juice page 3:

For the past decade, most concentrate has come from China. Concerns have been raised about the possible continuing use of arsenical pesticides there, and several Chinese provinces that are primary apple-growing regions are known to have high arsenic concentrations in groundwater.

page 5 regarding well water having higher As:

[quote] In Maine, where almost half the population relies on private wells, the USGS found arsenic levels in well water as high as 3,100 ppb.
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Ignorance in the medical community on page 6:

Michael Harbut, M.D., chief of the environmental cancer program at Karmanos Institute in Detroit, says, â??Given what we know about the wide range of arsenic exposure sources we have in this country, I suspect there is an awful lot of chronic, low-level arsenic poisoning going on thatâ??s never properly diagnosed.â??

US rice having higher As levels than many imported rice on Page 7:

Rice frequently contains high levels of inorganic arsenic because it is among plants that are unusually efficient at taking up arsenic from the soil and incorporating it in the grains people eat. Moreover, much of the rice produced in the U.S. is grown in Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, and Texas, on land formerly used to grow cotton, where arsenical pesticides were used for decades.

[Bonesaw93]

[quote]MODOK wrote:

[quote]ds1973 wrote:
Dammit. I read an article like this (below) and I think: “Those OCD bastards on T-Nation are right”. You read stuff like this and want to go drink a chelating agent…

Arsenic found in popular juice brands (not that most of us drink juice, but read on)

Yahoo Life: Latest News on Health, Wellness, Style, Fashion Trends and More

With info like, regarding chicken feed on page 2:

Other arsenic feed additives are still being used.

On sources of the apples in the juice page 3:

For the past decade, most concentrate has come from China. Concerns have been raised about the possible continuing use of arsenical pesticides there, and several Chinese provinces that are primary apple-growing regions are known to have high arsenic concentrations in groundwater.

page 5 regarding well water having higher As:

[quote] In Maine, where almost half the population relies on private wells, the USGS found arsenic levels in well water as high as 3,100 ppb.
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Ignorance in the medical community on page 6:

Michael Harbut, M.D., chief of the environmental cancer program at Karmanos Institute in Detroit, says, �¢??Given what we know about the wide range of arsenic exposure sources we have in this country, I suspect there is an awful lot of chronic, low-level arsenic poisoning going on that�¢??s never properly diagnosed.�¢??

US rice having higher As levels than many imported rice on Page 7:

Rice frequently contains high levels of inorganic arsenic because it is among plants that are unusually efficient at taking up arsenic from the soil and incorporating it in the grains people eat. Moreover, much of the rice produced in the U.S. is grown in Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, and Texas, on land formerly used to grow cotton, where arsenical pesticides were used for decades.

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Read this:

Nutrition and Physical Degeneration: Weston A. Price, Price-Pottenger Nutrition...

You will be OCD too by the time you reach the back cover.
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Awesome book. It totally changed my whole outlook on the food we eat. Even more amazing considering when it was written.

[ds1973]

Although then I read guys like this and it puts things in perspective a bit. Note that the natural abundance of arsenic in the earths crust is estimated at 5 ppm. That’s 500 times the 10 ppb limit on drinking water so it gets into groundwater everywhere.

Arsenic in Juice Revisited

Risk is everywhere, and we have to manage our resources well to combat them. In simply a cost-benefit view, being that most juices are deemed safe by testing, it would be more productive to fight childhood obesity than to go after the less than ~5% of juice makers that have somewhat harmful levels of arsenic.

[Paste42]

Great thread. I have a quick question regarding the grass-fed, free-range ranches/farms. How can I make sure that the farms/ranches near my home aren’t just marking up grain fed beef/chicken? Is there a type of license that proves they have grass-fed beef that I can check for before purchase? Same with poultry?

[anon23385723]

[quote]Paste42 wrote:
Great thread. I have a quick question regarding the grass-fed, free-range ranches/farms. How can I make sure that the farms/ranches near my home aren’t just marking up grain fed beef/chicken? Is there a type of license that proves they have grass-fed beef that I can check for before purchase? Same with poultry?[/quote]

Somewhere on the forum, SteelyD posted a thread comparing store bought eggs to the ‘real’ cage free ones. Those pictures, and my personal experience, is that real free-range eggs have very rich yolks, with a strong, orangish hue.

[anonym]

[quote]MODOK wrote:
A few that are important foundational books for lay readers are:

Know Your Fats- Mary Enig
Nutrition and Physical Degeneration- Weston Price
Fats That heal, Fats That Kill- Udo Erasmus (Read this after Enig’s book. Its dated info but there is some decent lipid science in there).
In Defense of Food and Omnivore’s Dilemna- Pollan
Lipids As Antimicrobial Agents- Thormar
Of course, the ubiquitous Good Calories, Bad Calories- Taubes[/quote]

Bumping this list.

Given that it’s the Christmas season (and I bought several of these right off the bat → weak Christmas list so far), does anyone have any suggestions for further reading on this particular topic?

[swatty27]

Just a general question regarding the diet as the sample diet is for “gaining muscle”. Is this bulking diet designed to be a very lean bulk or can fat gain be expected from it???

[Jaynick77]

[quote]swatty27 wrote:
Just a general question regarding the diet as the sample diet is for “gaining muscle”. Is this bulking diet designed to be a very lean bulk or can fat gain be expected from it???[/quote]

Does John actually provide a generic diet (macro-nutrient breakdown) on his site? Aside from a couple of his articles about what he did pre-contest I didn’t see any. I just started a Get Lean package that he put together for me but it’s custom to my goals, bodyfat, etc. The foods he prescribed have opened my eyes to different foods and not just macro’s.

[Jaynick77]

Last Monday I officially started my diet plan from John Meadows, with a focus on dropping bodyfat.

Prior to starting up with John I had been using the Anabolic Diet to cut down. I actually lost about 27lbs on the AD and shed a fair amount of BF and improved my strength considerably. I definitely hit a wall and my lifting started to suck, so I knew I needed a change.

I started at,

• weight 217lbs
• bodyfat ~15% (average of electronic device and 3-point caliper test)

I’m measuring my weight (and pictures) every Monday and sending them to John for review and any manipulation of my diet.

End of week 1: 1/09/12: Since I began the diet last week my energy in the gym has greatly improved and my workouts have been solid. I did feel like puking during two of the workouts but attribute that to my body not being use to the amount of pre-workout nutrition that he recommends.

• weight 213lbs ( -4lbs)
• I didn’t measure my bodyfat today but I can visually notice reduced bodyfat and I see a faint outline of my ab’s on the outside and down the middle. My skin around my abdomen feels tighter, can’t pinch as much. LOL
• Hit a DL PR on Thursday

[Jaynick77]

Mountain Dog Diet - Get Lean Package

End of Week 2 Results

I’m not measuring my bodyfat until I’m at least half-way through the program but the visual results after two weeks are very noticeable. Especially the definition around my waist-line has got my wife noticing.

Weight 01/17/12: 214lbs
Weighed 210 on Friday and attribute the weight to a little bit of junk I ate while on my short vacation with the family.

I just sent John my results and am not sure if he’s going to change my diet plan yet or not.

[Jaynick77]

Mountain Dog Diet - Get Lean Package

End of Week 3 Results

I’m not measuring my bodyfat until I’m at least half-way through the program but the visual results after two weeks are very noticeable. Especially the definition around my waist-line has got my wife noticing.

Weight 01/23/12: 214lbs
*I was out of town Monday and today was my first chance to weigh-out. The change in bodyweight was unexpected but my body comp is looking good so I’m not gonna sweat the weight change.

I just sent John my results and am not sure if he’s going to change my diet plan yet or not.

*Edit: Changed week 2 weight, that scale was a couple lbs’s off the usual scale I use at the gym.

[Jaynick77]

Anybody else trying the Mountain Dog Diet yet? I know I’m getting ahead of myself but I’m hoping to get pretty lean with this plan so I can do a clean bulk in the fall. Just curious as to other peoples’ experiences so far.

[jannet]

Well I would agree with that in terms of nutrition, to be able to call it his own way of eating. The reason is the certain types of foods he likes to incorporate for liver health, adrenal health, digestive health,

[Jaynick77]

End of Week 4

Weight (1/30/12): 212

The scale stopped moving for me. My body comp is looking better but I think I may have plateaued last week because my body comp visually appears to be about the same as it was the prior week. We’ll see what he prescribes for this coming week. My workout this past week were pretty good actually and I set a 1RM best on my Bench Press last week and just missed on my OHP, which is still 15lbs heavier than Jan 2011.

This week will be interesting because I can’t do any heavy lifting until Sunday cuz I had a small procedure over the weekend. It sucks to have this done in the middle of the diet plan but the timing couldn’t be avoided.

[Jaynick77]

End of Week 5

Weight 2/6/12: 209lbs (-8lbs since the start)

Just when I thought I plateaued I dropped another 3lbs last week. John didn’t change anything from the prior week either. I was out of the gym most of the week recovering from a small oral surgery procedure but I still followed the diet plan as close as I could. I ended-up having to substitute Whey Shakes for the meat portions of the diet because I just couldn’t eat anything too solid.

Visually my ab’s are definitely looking better and it’s pretty exciting for me. I’ve never been this lean and it’s not over yet. Yesterday started a new 5/3/1 cycle for me and I hit a personal rep-record for 220lbs on the bench press. I was worried cuz I thought perhaps I lost some muscle on my down-time but I definitely had not.

[BRINK429]

i prefer caged eggs. several studies show fecal matter is super anabolic

[Jaynick77]

[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
End of Week 5

Weight 2/6/12: 209lbs (-8lbs since the start)

Just when I thought I plateaued I dropped another 3lbs last week. John didn’t change anything from the prior week either. I was out of the gym most of the week recovering from a small oral surgery procedure but I still followed the diet plan as close as I could. I ended-up having to substitute Whey Shakes for the meat portions of the diet because I just couldn’t eat anything too solid.

Visually my ab’s are definitely looking better and it’s pretty exciting for me. I’ve never been this lean and it’s not over yet. Yesterday started a new 5/3/1 cycle for me and I hit a personal rep-record for 220lbs on the bench press. I was worried cuz I thought perhaps I lost some muscle on my down-time but I definitely had not.

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End Week 6

Weight 2/13/12: 210lbs

My weight fluctuated quite a bit this week and Sat morning which is a non-lifting cardio only day, my weight was on the fringe of 207 / 208. I’m starting to think that on lifting days I just drink so much fluid before I even set foot in the gym that it might be throwing my true weight off a little. I think I’ll just use Sat’s as my weigh-out days.

All-in-all my workouts have been good, I’ve been feeling good, and the definition is getting better each week. THis week I didn’t notice much difference in my ab’s but all of a sudden I’m seeing more definition in my quads, kinda’ weird but I’ll take it!

[ryanbCXG]

Why dont you weigh yourself in the morning after you use the bathroom. Much more accurate. liking the updates though keep it up