How could anybody be more overrated than that? Totally generic crap songs. Back in the 90’s when I was reading them, all the guitar magazines would go on about how Eddie Van Halen was the greatest guitarist of all time. WTF? He’s a technician, nothing more.
Nirvana. Yes, I was 15-18 at the time. They were just a lucky band that made it big. In May of '94, however, I was mistaken by a group of schoolgirls in Toledo for Kurt Cobain. Guess word hadn’t gotten there yet.
Also, I don’t care for Rush, but so many musicians assure me they’re amazing, I must be missing something.[/quote]
Hate to break it to you but just about any artist who came after him started tapping and playing a guitar that is similar. Eddie changed guitar, others cleaned it up a bit but he is an original.
Metallica pathetic…I still don’t understand the draw kirk hammet or what ever his name is is a pathetic guitar player. I still can’t believe he was trained by satch.
Michaelo Jackson I don’t care he is a freakin king. He got more wacky as he went but off the wall excellent.
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i dont care if you find depth in them or not, point is, they are deep. “the end” is a profound comentary on the existential meaning of life and death. the point is, they are deep. the point is you should go do some reading on the meanings of his lyrics and poetry. i think you might find new interest in the doors if you did.
you guys are essentially saying shakespear wrote crappy plays because they arent easy to read.[/quote]
Isn’t “depth” in poetry or music subjective? The intent and thought of the artist is there in the subject matter but whether it appeals to you or me or anyone else on some deep emotional/spiritual/philosophical level is an individual thing IMO. No art affects everyone in the same way, and what you find profound may not strike another individual so starkly. In ten years, YOU may not even find the same depth. It is an expression of the artist. Enjoy it if you like it and if you don’t, I doubt Morrison gives a shit. He would most likely tell you that being deep or making everyone like his stuff was not the point of the writing and performance.[/quote]
Exactly.
In the same way I wouldn’t try to convince someone to like Jackson Pollock (for x reason), when someone else’s experience or perception may be different than mine. We can both like it, but for different reasons.
And DD… your comment about the Bard… that’s not what I’m saying at all. Shakespeare was all about the words. The Doors bring so much more to the senses.
[quote]nrt wrote:
Back in the 90’s when I was reading them, all the guitar magazines would go on about how Eddie Van Halen was the greatest guitarist of all time. WTF? He’s a technician, nothing more.
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Oh, c’mon-- the guy who CHANGED the way electric guitar was played?
Greatest guitar player of all time? Maybe not.
Most influential? Quite likely. Maybe 2nd only to Hendrix. Maybe.
I can understand Van Halen (the band) as being overrated for some people. Eddie Van Halen the guitarist, absolutely not.
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Santana was the leading revolutionist for the electric guitar. Him and Hendrix along with Chuck Berry are much more influential than Van Halen. [/quote]
Funny, Santana has always been my #1 “Most Way Overratted Guitar Player”.
30 years of guitar magazine and musical trade mag polls would prove you completely wrong, my tone-deaf friend.
Go back and check who did a great deal of guitar work for santana…I believe a young Neil Schon. Santana is like bb king same lick pver and over. I like them both but fail to see what they did for guitar.
[quote]musclegym wrote:
I like them both but fail to see what they did for guitar. [/quote]
The ability to say more in one note than most can say in a bazillion. Victor Wooten was on NPR yesterday discussing music theory and lamenting the things they don’t teach. Chief among these was silence, when less is more. This from a bass player who sounds like he is playing with four hands.
no depth is not open to subjective interpritation. there is a factual difference between deep and shallow thughts. morrisons lyrics are the freaking marianas trench of lyrics. he draws from an extensive knowege base in philosophy poetry ect to make complex statements that require study to glimps.
i really used to think like yall. but i started reading about morrison and the more i learned the more impressive his lyrics and commentary are.
ive been playfully bantering for the most part in my posts, but im serious, do some research on morrison. i swear it will open new doors to enjoying their music.
morrison was an amazing poet in his art.
and i never discounted the rest of the doors experience. i enjoy everything they bring to the table, but morrisons lyrics are some of the best in my opinion.
you should at least respect the effort and dedication he but into his art. he lived it day and night. read study write. he always carried around notebooks he would scribble down ideas and such. literally volumes and volumes of them since he was a kid. (he burned them all later)
even if it doesnt touch you personally, i figured youd have a little more repect for it than that.
[quote]musclegym wrote:
I like them both but fail to see what they did for guitar. [/quote]
The ability to say more in one note than most can say in a bazillion. Victor Wooten was on NPR yesterday discussing music theory and lamenting the things they don’t teach. Chief among these was silence, when less is more. This from a bass player who sounds like he is playing with four hands.
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bb and santana, feel(soulful) …no doubt! as I said I don’t dislike either and I would agree there are some licks that one note that can send chills up your spine. I remember hating Journey because my sister liked them and I heard this solo coming from her room the one day . She was playing journey captured live album end of walks like a lady and the solo is like 10 sec. long but freaking awesome. My all time favorite is still eric johnson he does it all fast slow soulful and just super.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
no depth is not open to subjective interpritation. there is a factual difference between deep and shallow thughts. morrisons lyrics are the freaking marianas trench of lyrics. he draws from an extensive knowege base in philosophy poetry ect to make complex statements that require study to glimps.
i really used to think like yall. but i started reading about morrison and the more i learned the more impressive his lyrics and commentary are.
ive been playfully bantering for the most part in my posts, but im serious, do some research on morrison. i swear it will open new doors to enjoying their music.
morrison was an amazing poet in his art.
and i never discounted the rest of the doors experience. i enjoy everything they bring to the table, but morrisons lyrics are some of the best in my opinion.
you should at least respect the effort and dedication he but into his art. he lived it day and night. read study write. he always carried around notebooks he would scribble down ideas and such. literally volumes and volumes of them since he was a kid. (he burned them all later)
even if it doesnt touch you personally, i figured youd have a little more repect for it than that.[/quote]
DD
Now you’re beating a dead horse. Or perhaps taking this too personally, hmm?
I never said I didn’t respect Morrison or his art. Where did I ever give that impression? All I’m saying (and I hope it’s the last time I reiterate this) is that I’m not viewing the Doors through the same lens as you. And you know what? That’s OKAY. We both like the Doors and Morrison.
I don’t take it as a dis if someone sees something in my own art that I didn’t intend when creating it. That’s fine. I hope I inspired or moved them in SOME way. The Doors move me in ways no other band does. Morrison represents to me a time and a lost generation where everything seemed wide open and possible. It’s not what he said, but how he said it. How he dished it out. And for an old “hippie” like me, Morrison stands above them all… aside from his poetic flair. Great things can be expressed with great depth, yet not be poetic necessarily. Ghandi is an example. And although I see and respect the art in what Morrison wrote, his words effect me no more deeply than any other poet worth his salt.
And that’s okay too.
Santana was the leading revolutionist for the electric guitar. Him and Hendrix along with Chuck Berry are much more influential than Van Halen. [/quote]
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about.
[quote]musclegym wrote:
I like them both but fail to see what they did for guitar. [/quote]
The ability to say more in one note than most can say in a bazillion. Victor Wooten was on NPR yesterday discussing music theory and lamenting the things they don’t teach. Chief among these was silence, when less is more. This from a bass player who sounds like he is playing with four hands.
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Just checked out some victor…very cool.
[quote]musclegym wrote:
I like them both but fail to see what they did for guitar. [/quote]
The ability to say more in one note than most can say in a bazillion. Victor Wooten was on NPR yesterday discussing music theory and lamenting the things they don’t teach. Chief among these was silence, when less is more. This from a bass player who sounds like he is playing with four hands.
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Wooten just played a gig in Philly (World Cafe Live) on Monday night. My son (bass player) went with a friend. After the show, he got a picture taken with Vic!
And speaking of leaving holes (or silence) in their playing, Keith Richards is a master of negative space.
[quote]musclegym wrote:
I like them both but fail to see what they did for guitar. [/quote]
The ability to say more in one note than most can say in a bazillion. Victor Wooten was on NPR yesterday discussing music theory and lamenting the things they don’t teach. Chief among these was silence, when less is more. This from a bass player who sounds like he is playing with four hands.
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Wooten just played a gig in Philly (World Cafe Live) on Monday night. My son (bass player) went with a friend. After the show, he got a picture taken with Vic!
And speaking of leaving holes (or silence) in their playing, Keith Richards is a master of negative space. [/quote]
Keith is rock and roll I don’t care if you like the stones or not he is a symbol he to me is with iggy pop, and lemmy lived it and look it.
[quote]musclegym wrote:
I like them both but fail to see what they did for guitar. [/quote]
The ability to say more in one note than most can say in a bazillion. Victor Wooten was on NPR yesterday discussing music theory and lamenting the things they don’t teach. Chief among these was silence, when less is more. This from a bass player who sounds like he is playing with four hands.
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Wooten just played a gig in Philly (World Cafe Live) on Monday night. My son (bass player) went with a friend. After the show, he got a picture taken with Vic!
And speaking of leaving holes (or silence) in their playing, Keith Richards is a master of negative space. [/quote]
Keith is rock and roll I don’t care if you like the stones or not he is a symbol he to me is with iggy pop, and lemmy lived it and look it.[/quote]
I think you missed my point MG. I was praising Richards. He fully understands and applies the principle that negative space (where he doesn’t play) in his playing creates a wonderful tension that adds spark to his positive space (playing).
[quote]musclegym wrote:
I like them both but fail to see what they did for guitar. [/quote]
The ability to say more in one note than most can say in a bazillion. Victor Wooten was on NPR yesterday discussing music theory and lamenting the things they don’t teach. Chief among these was silence, when less is more. This from a bass player who sounds like he is playing with four hands.
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Wooten just played a gig in Philly (World Cafe Live) on Monday night. My son (bass player) went with a friend. After the show, he got a picture taken with Vic!
And speaking of leaving holes (or silence) in their playing, Keith Richards is a master of negative space. [/quote]
We could have threads upon threads dedicated to Wooten. He’s as passionate about teaching bass as he is about playing it. He’s got his own bass camp that he does.
[quote]musclegym wrote:
I like them both but fail to see what they did for guitar. [/quote]
The ability to say more in one note than most can say in a bazillion. Victor Wooten was on NPR yesterday discussing music theory and lamenting the things they don’t teach. Chief among these was silence, when less is more. This from a bass player who sounds like he is playing with four hands.
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Wooten just played a gig in Philly (World Cafe Live) on Monday night. My son (bass player) went with a friend. After the show, he got a picture taken with Vic!
And speaking of leaving holes (or silence) in their playing, Keith Richards is a master of negative space. [/quote]
Keith is rock and roll I don’t care if you like the stones or not he is a symbol he to me is with iggy pop, and lemmy lived it and look it.[/quote]
I think you missed my point MG. I was praising Richards. He fully understands and applies the principle that negative space (where he doesn’t play) in his playing creates a wonderful tension that adds spark to his positive space (playing).
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No, I completely understand and agree he is a master of negative space.
How could anybody be more overrated than that? Totally generic crap songs. Back in the 90’s when I was reading them, all the guitar magazines would go on about how Eddie Van Halen was the greatest guitarist of all time. WTF? He’s a technician, nothing more.
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Hate to break it to you but just about any artist who came after him started tapping and playing a guitar that is similar. Eddie changed guitar, others cleaned it up a bit but he is an original.
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I don’t really see what you & SteelyD are on about here. I’ll grant that Van Halen was original, just not in a musically interesting way. How exactly did he change things? Tapping has always seemed pretty uninteresting and cardboard to me; I can’t think of anyone other than Angus Young who’s done anything I pay attention to with it.
And I don’t think VH’s influence goes beyond heavy metal, and none of my favourite hard rock/heavy metal acts have much VH influence at all. There’re a lot of guys - Hendrix, Charlie Christian, even Eric Clapton (who VH cites as his major influence) - who have had a much larger reach, across multiple genres. But I’ll admit my dislike of VH does involve personal taste.
Also, while I’m being quarrelsome, I don’t think U2 is overrated at all. Yes, they’re pop music, but I find myself appreciating the Edge more and more. That guy is a master at taking a very simple idea and turning it into something beautiful. Great motifs, and if you hear him improvise, he comes up with straightforward, unpretentious statement that really says something - not actually an easy thing to do. Yngwie Malmsteen (who can hardly be overrated, since he’s not taken seriously) has a lot of work to do before he can do that.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
no depth is not open to subjective interpritation. there is a factual difference between deep and shallow thughts. morrisons lyrics are the freaking marianas trench of lyrics. he draws from an extensive knowege base in philosophy poetry ect to make complex statements that require study to glimps.
i really used to think like yall. but i started reading about morrison and the more i learned the more impressive his lyrics and commentary are.
ive been playfully bantering for the most part in my posts, but im serious, do some research on morrison. i swear it will open new doors to enjoying their music.
morrison was an amazing poet in his art.
and i never discounted the rest of the doors experience. i enjoy everything they bring to the table, but morrisons lyrics are some of the best in my opinion.
you should at least respect the effort and dedication he but into his art. he lived it day and night. read study write. he always carried around notebooks he would scribble down ideas and such. literally volumes and volumes of them since he was a kid. (he burned them all later)
even if it doesnt touch you personally, i figured youd have a little more repect for it than that.[/quote]
DD
Now you’re beating a dead horse. Or perhaps taking this too personally, hmm?
I never said I didn’t respect Morrison or his art. Where did I ever give that impression? All I’m saying (and I hope it’s the last time I reiterate this) is that I’m not viewing the Doors through the same lens as you. And you know what? That’s OKAY. We both like the Doors and Morrison.
I don’t take it as a dis if someone sees something in my own art that I didn’t intend when creating it. That’s fine. I hope I inspired or moved them in SOME way. The Doors move me in ways no other band does. Morrison represents to me a time and a lost generation where everything seemed wide open and possible. It’s not what he said, but how he said it. How he dished it out. And for an old “hippie” like me, Morrison stands above them all… aside from his poetic flair. Great things can be expressed with great depth, yet not be poetic necessarily. Ghandi is an example. And although I see and respect the art in what Morrison wrote, his words effect me no more deeply than any other poet worth his salt.
And that’s okay too.
Peace
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For the record, I’m not taking it personally. I’m being mildly sarcastic and joking in my posts. I hope this doesn’t ruin any chance we have at bro-mance. Unless of course you refuse to admit the awesomeness and deptitude that are the lyrics of jim morrison. In that case you’re going on my ignore list.
