http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/02/gallup-poll-shocker-most-democrats-like-socialism/
There is now no doubt in my mind that within my lifetime I will see a civil war.
Sarah Palin likes it too:)
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Sarah Palin likes it too:)[/quote]
Likes what? Socialism pole? Or just pole in general?
Go to The Congo or Sierre Leone, my friend.
There are now about 2-3 generations into one. They are so far embedded into them, that they don’t even know what they are fighting for.
Average Squad Leader Age? About 14…
Millionaires on TV and radio insighting one’s passions and prejudices are not the roots of Civil War.
We’re too comfortable in the U.S. for a Civil War anytime soon.
Mufasa
I’ve seen this elsewhere – the poll isn’t misinformation.
I don’t know how many poll respondents know what socialism is, though. If “socialism” means simply a system in which high taxes pay for ample social services and various regulations, (which is the definition many conservative pundits use) then it’s not at all surprising that Democrats favor it. If “socialism” means what it has meant historically – government ownership of a large proportion of companies – then I find this extremely surprising. I move in pretty lefty circles and that is a very rare view. I’m more inclined to believe that respondents to this poll are thinking of the former definition of “socialism.”
According to the actual Gallup poll, most democrats also like capitalism by the exact same percentage (53%). Somehow I do not smell revolution in the air. \http://www.gallup.com/poll/125645/Socialism-Viewed-Positively-Americans.aspx
Of course the other side of that is 47% of Democrats surveyed, or nearly that many, reported that they do not like (to use your term) capitalism.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Go to The Congo or Sierre Leone, my friend.
There are now about 2-3 generations into one. They are so far embedded into them, that they don’t even know what they are fighting for.
Average Squad Leader Age? About 14…
Millionaires on TV and radio insighting one’s passions and prejudices are not the roots of Civil War.
We’re too comfortable in the U.S. for a Civil War anytime soon.
Mufasa[/quote]
What if I am right about the economy? When the economy crashes, through massive deflation or inflation does not matter what happens then. When you have to start from scratch what will people do then?
They will fight for it. Socialism has come back from the dead and it will try and take over again. It took a cold war to kill it last time, what will it take this time, when its happening in our own backyard?
Socialism and capitalism can never co-exist.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn’t pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children what it was once like in the United States where men were free. -Ronald Reagan
Well, socialism and capitalism can’t exist in the same country’s economy, that is true. But what’s your point? The Gallup poll did not say “A majority of Democrats think it would be super-duper swell if we had a bloody, Lenin-style revolution,” now did it. It said a majority of Democrats have a favorable view of socialism (53%). And it also said that a majority of Democrats said they have a favorable view of capitalism (53%). This seems to suggest 1) The Democrats are not yearning for a revolution, and 2) That your opinion about the economy, whether right or not, really has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
John:
Aren’t you the young, bright-eyed guy who posted a pic of you getting a book signed by Senator Paul? If not, I apologize.
If so…don’t ever get jaded and cynical about our Political System like I have (and DEFINITELY don’t go bat-shit-crazy-off-the-deep-end like HH…)
Keep that fire you seem to have, because the Country we both Love will most likely need you.
And if you find yourself getting cynical about it all like me?
Do like PUSH:
Put your feet up; stick a big steak on the grill, and kick back a good wine and some cold ones…maybe get on-line and torture a Lib or two…
Then go bang some hotties…
Mufasa
[quote]jimmyjesus17 wrote:
Well, socialism and capitalism can’t exist in the same country’s economy, that is true. But what’s your point? The Gallup poll did not say “A majority of Democrats think it would be super-duper swell if we had a bloody, Lenin-style revolution,” now did it. It said a majority of Democrats have a favorable view of socialism (53%). And it also said that a majority of Democrats said they have a favorable view of capitalism (53%). This seems to suggest 1) The Democrats are not yearning for a revolution, and 2) That your opinion about the economy, whether right or not, really has nothing to do with the topic at hand. [/quote]
I disagree, it has everything to do with this. one things leads into another, we have a group of people(fairly large) and thus very influential that think Socialism is good. Add in a collapse and a bunch of people who will wrongly accuse of it capitalism and you will start to see things change rapidly.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
John:
Aren’t you the young, bright-eyed guy who posted a pic of you getting a book signed by Senator Paul? If not, I apologize.
If so…don’t ever get jaded and cynical about our Political System like I have (and DEFINITELY don’t go bat-shit-crazy-off-the-deep-end like HH…)
Keep that fire you seem to have, because the Country we both Love will most likely need you.
And if you find yourself getting cynical about it all like me?
Do like PUSH:
Put your feet up; stick a big steak on the grill, and kick back a good wine and some cold ones…maybe get on-line and torture a Lib or two…
Then go bang some hotties…
Mufasa[/quote]
That was me with Congressman Ron Paul. It wasn’t a book signing but a lecture he gave.
I will remember to do that if I start to get cynical
Thanks for the correction(s), my friend.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Of course the other side of that is 47% of Democrats surveyed, or nearly that many, reported that they do not like (to use your term) capitalism.[/quote]
Well, that was the term used in the subject of this thread, so that’s why I used it. The correct phrase would be “53% of Democrats surveyed had a favorable image of capitalism, while 47% have a negative image of it.” 47% would also have a negative view of socialism.
To be fair, while 72% of Republicans had a favorable image of capitalism, 28%, over a quarter surveyed, had a negative image of capitalism.
When moving beyond party affiliation to ideology, 68% of conservatives had a positive image of capitalism while 32%, roughly a third had a negative image. That is certainly less than the Democrats and liberals surveyed, but it’s still a significant amount, indicating that mistrust of capitalism is by no means owned by Democrats.
@John S.
I see where you are coming from, but it’s really just speculation. Nowhere in the poll did anyone indicate that they would support the implementation of socialism, especially by violent means. While I understand your argument, the poll does not support your theory. Also keep in mind the terms used by the poll. Just because someone sees a certain ideology in a positive light does not mean that person would like to see it implemented as policy. If I have a positive image of Buddhism, that does not mean I want to become a Buddhist.
almost surprised Gallop would run such a poorly made poll. “Just off the top of your head” is a terrible way to frame a poll as is “positive or negative light.” Neither of those terms can convey a clear opinion.
most people would kill their boss, eat their body weight in bacon, and drink themselves into stupor if asked “off the top of your head would you…”
off the top of my head i view mushrooms and asparagus in a positive light, doesn’t mean ill buy them.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
John:
Aren’t you the young, bright-eyed guy who posted a pic of you getting a book signed by Senator Paul? If not, I apologize.
If so…don’t ever get jaded and cynical about our Political System like I have (and DEFINITELY don’t go bat-shit-crazy-off-the-deep-end like HH…)
Keep that fire you seem to have, because the Country we both Love will most likely need you.
And if you find yourself getting cynical about it all like me?
Do like PUSH:
Put your feet up; stick a big steak on the grill, and kick back a good wine and some cold ones…maybe get on-line and torture a Lib or two…
Then go bang some hotties…
Mufasa[/quote]
Jaded and cynicsal is where its at when it comes to politicians.
To simply assume that they will never aver get anything right because they are corrupt and stuspid…
Wait that is just being realistic, what would jaded and cynical actually look like?
[quote]AlisaV wrote:
I move in pretty lefty circles and that is a very rare view. I’m more inclined to believe that respondents to this poll are thinking of the former definition of “socialism.”[/quote]
So then the lefties you move with do not know what socialism is either.
Guns and butter.
I didn’t need a poll to tell me that. They also tend to be antisemitic and anti-Christian too, but pro-Palestinian while simultaneously laying claim to being the ones with “open minds”, go figure.
[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Go to The Congo or Sierre Leone, my friend.
There are now about 2-3 generations into one. They are so far embedded into them, that they don’t even know what they are fighting for.
Average Squad Leader Age? About 14…
Millionaires on TV and radio insighting one’s passions and prejudices are not the roots of Civil War.
We’re too comfortable in the U.S. for a Civil War anytime soon.
Mufasa[/quote]
And the astronomical body counts, child soldiers, child rapes, and basic unimaginable human atrocities too horrible to comprehend. Funny it never get press here, people would be outraged if they truly knew what was happening there. But for some reason we don’t care. I don’t know that we can do anything about it, but it’s heart wrenching.
Nah, we’ll call each other names, but we are far from this.
You also have to remember the ages you’re dealing with…
Like, MORE self-identified conservatives are going to be older, and associate that scary “Socialism” with the failed state of the USSR, evil Cuba, and North Korea…
…where as most people under 40 hear socialism and think Norway, Sweden, Denmark, i.e. Western European countries with the highest education and living standards in the world… less scary than “The Evil Empire”.
But in the end, it’s just a word, and I bet 90% of the people polled wouldn’t agree on a definition.
Now, if the pollster gave their own definition of socialism, and asked their subjects what they thought of that, it’d be a poll worth something.