you know, after going through the extensive material out there, half the sufferers claim its a “plant” that parasites off the human skin, while the remaining claim its a worm, larva and all. there’s people showing videos and sections of their lips, tongues, skin, hair, genitals, breasts, everything.
It seems to me like a combination of general skin infections, lyme disease sufferers and overall paranoia.
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
you know, after going through the extensive material out there, half the sufferers claim its a “plant” that parasites off the human skin, while the remaining claim its a worm, larva and all. there’s people showing videos and sections of their lips, tongues, skin, hair, genitals, breasts, everything.
It seems to me like a combination of general skin infections, lyme disease sufferers and overall paranoia.[/quote]
You do not believe that people are infested with parasites though?
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Apparentlt the magnified view of an actual Morgellon’s worm?
So, the makers of that video apparently found these worms (four of them) in their bed. Are they claiming they found a new species of worm?
So the belief is that the medical profession as a whole is denying the existence of worms for some sort of conspiracy to the point that the only people catching worms on film are people with no medical backgrounds?
That looks like a small round worm with fibers thrown on it. Other videos linked to that on you tube show things COMPLETELY DIFFERENT…which means either there are several different species and sizes of worms yet we call them ALL “morgellons disease”…or paranoia and lack of medical training has them identifying anything they weren’t aware of previously as such.
One guy showed video of his hair showing what looked like a small cotton fiber (which could also be a small tape worm)…implying that the small fibers themselves were the actual worm.
What disease has this many different phenotypical traits?
It is like if someone sees anything that looks like a string or even loose skin, they diagnose themselves with this.
Why is something like this so hard to test if it presents clinically?
My opinion may be disregarded here and the responses here have been well thought and helpful, but I have had close hand experience with this and it is certainly real and serious. Im not saying what is causing it and recognize many thoughtless, irrational, consiracy theorists, and snakeoil salesman who roam the internet. I did not have this, and am not delusional.
Just to give fair credit to those who have responded, some of their observations are very spot-on. The symptoms are similar to Morgellons but your family member is not a drug addict, at least mine wasnt. The similar symptoms come from toxic poisioning.
Many have recognized the similar symtpoms.
Also, the fibers have been tested and appear beneath the skin (sometimes come through). Research Randy Wymore of OKla State U who is being funded to test the fibers. He cant match them to a substance.
http://www.healthsciences.okstate.edu/morgellons/index.cfm
Perhaps your family member had these track record: lesions appeared; constant itching; treated for scabies with dewormers and pesticides; told by MDs they were crazy; had trouble seeing; sleeplessness and exhaustion; joint pain; confusion; fibers or pink like goop coming from lesions; and finally a sooty substance appearing over the body.
If so, she may be sick like may are. I am not saying that everything is this but if so you need to get her in touch with people who can help.
Unfortunately, the only thing you can do now is heavy doses of health common sense before this becomes deeper into her system. Research a ‘morgellons’ protocol. Check Espbotanicals for strong drawing soaps. She must be extremely disciplined but might not until she hits rock bottom.
Very explicit and careful soaking and bathing
PH level must be very alkaline (celery, plums, organic vegetables)
Mineral Intake very high
Vitamin intake high
No coffee, soda, sugar, processed food, no GMO foods
No smoking
I have seen strict adherence to a protocol help pushed this thing down. I know many here will say this is just common sense and that is true, but this thing is a foreign body and the reaction is as advertised.
I saw it with my own eyes before I ever heard of it. I was on the floor with a magnifying glass for hours on end looking at stuff which I could not figure out wtf it was and it had come from within the body.
All I can say is I would never had believed it if I hadnt seen it. This stuff is nasty. PM me if you want. I am not a doctor nor am I nuts but I want to see you help your family member whatever she has.
From newsweek earlier this year:
"Intrigued and at loss for answers, he eventually took the samples to the Tulsa Police Department Forensics Lab, where fiber experts Mark Boese and Ron Pogue ran a series of tests on two red and two blue fibers. “In three minutes they decided it was like nothing they had seen before,” Wymore says. Comparing the Morgellons fibers to a database of more than 900 known compounds used in textiles, they found no match. Next they heated a blue fiber to more than 700 degrees, which darkened but did not destroy it. They determined the fibers were not fiberglass and did not match anything in their database of 90,000 organic compounds. OSU researchers have found tangled fibers underneath even healthy, unbroken skin in Morgellons patients, which Wymore says rules out the kind of wound contamination Meffert describes.
Wymore acknowledges that some people who claim to have Morgellons may be delusional, but he says all but one of the nearly 30 patients he and his colleagues at OSU have examined do, in fact, have the disease. Like Odom and so many others, he welcomes the CDC study. “My hope is thousands of physicians will go, ‘I still don’t believe this Morgellons crap, but the CDC is looking into it. I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt’.”
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Lastly, I understand the comments that this doesnt exist and drug addiction and mental illness due, but you are flat out wrong, and likely still convinced enough to recognize it.
If you had real contact with this disease with families that are ruined by it (not runied by Meth or psychosis); the medical practitioners at the front trying to help before the community at large can; and seen it with your own eyes, then you wouldnt.
Of course the internet is full of crap and makes everything distorted but there is something to this.
Kaiser is only funded by the CDC for the “administrative” portion of the study. Dig deeper and you will see who is doing the actual research.
thank you nebbish1 for your input. (You are new here and your only posts have been in my thread. Did you make your account soley for the purpose of posting in my thread?)
my family member is quiet disciplined with her diet and is constantly consuming minerals and vitamins etc.
is there any other information that you have to offer?
Occam’s Razor: Simply put the most simple explanation is usually the correct one.
In my (limited) experience in talking with/working with doctors many have adopted such philosophies and many more times than not, they’re correct.
Just think about it this way, which is more likely, that someone is truly suffering from this nebulous, poorly defined disease with numerous permutations or that they’re just plain full of crap, or a meth addict or that it’s just some other dermatological/psychological condition?
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
Occam’s Razor: Simply put the most simple explanation is usually the correct one.
In my (limited) experience in talking with/working with doctors many have adopted such philosophies and many more times than not, they’re correct.
Just think about it this way, which is more likely, that someone is truly suffering from this nebulous, poorly defined disease with numerous permutations or that they’re just plain full of crap, or a meth addict or that it’s just some other dermatological/psychological condition?[/quote]
Dude . . . This is T-Nation – GTFO here w/ all that logic shit.
[quote]Ghost22 wrote:
Occam’s Razor: Simply put the most simple explanation is usually the correct one.
In my (limited) experience in talking with/working with doctors many have adopted such philosophies and many more times than not, they’re correct.
Just think about it this way, which is more likely, that someone is truly suffering from this nebulous, poorly defined disease with numerous permutations or that they’re just plain full of crap, or a meth addict or that it’s just some other dermatological/psychological condition?[/quote]
Well…that’s certainly not very helpful, but thanks for posting anyways
Standard Donkey,
I sometimes come here to search for supplement advice but never post but I signed up when I saw your request about your family member, having a family member go down pretty hard. I just wanted to help you and not debate with others for I would agree with them but I dont.
That one guy was right, morgellons is an easy excuse for a Meth addict but the reverse is not so easy. Im sorry he has to deal with that. I have never seen Meth, nor know anybody who has but it sounds disgusting.
Rather than assume your family member is healthy, please research ‘morgellons protocol’, there are several on the web. There is one from Susan Kolb, a nurse or doctor in Atlanta I believe, and a good one by Mr Common Sense, a blogger. They are very specific. Make sure she doesnt have any processed food, especially GMOs. Tell her to try the soaps at espbotanicals or elsewhere. They draw stuff from the skin.
Other than that I guess you could follow the suggestions of others here and mine. Observe and consider psychology, substances, or foriegn body.
Keep an open mind and watch her condition. In the case in my family, it didnt get better until a drastic overhaul of regimen, controlled diet, extreme cleaning, removal of chemical products, whatever was contributing to the toxicity. I dont know which step did it, since we did so many. Buy her PH strips to make sure she is not acidic. The doctor measured in our family from 3.8 to 7 after the changes. Does this person garden? In my case, there was heavy gardening during the start so it could be a bite, or soil, but we dont know.
AT the worst, the lesions were so numerous as to resemble measles. Dermatologists treated for advanced scabies for months to no avail.
I apologize for my intrusion but I just wanted to help, and it seems there are several others here who are intelligent and helpful and definitely not shy.
[quote]nebbish1 wrote:
Standard Donkey,
I sometimes come here to search for supplement advice but never post but I signed up when I saw your request about your family member, having a family member go down pretty hard. I just wanted to help you and not debate with others for I would agree with them but I dont.
That one guy was right, morgellons is an easy excuse for a Meth addict but the reverse is not so easy. Im sorry he has to deal with that. I have never seen Meth, nor know anybody who has but it sounds disgusting.
Rather than assume your family member is healthy, please research ‘morgellons protocol’, there are several on the web. There is one from Susan Kolb, a nurse or doctor in Atlanta I believe, and a good one by Mr Common Sense, a blogger. They are very specific. Make sure she doesnt have any processed food, especially GMOs. Tell her to try the soaps at espbotanicals or elsewhere. They draw stuff from the skin.
Other than that I guess you could follow the suggestions of others here and mine. Observe and consider psychology, substances, or foriegn body.
Keep an open mind and watch her condition. In the case in my family, it didnt get better until a drastic overhaul of regimen, controlled diet, extreme cleaning, removal of chemical products, whatever was contributing to the toxicity. I dont know which step did it, since we did so many. Buy her PH strips to make sure she is not acidic. The doctor measured in our family from 3.8 to 7 after the changes. Does this person garden? In my case, there was heavy gardening during the start so it could be a bite, or soil, but we dont know.
AT the worst, the lesions were so numerous as to resemble measles. Dermatologists treated for advanced scabies for months to no avail.
I apologize for my intrusion but I just wanted to help, and it seems there are several others here who are intelligent and helpful and definitely not shy.
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and you most certainly have been helpful, and i thank you for the information you have provided me with. I was beginning to grow a little weary after reading all of the posts that so confidently conluded that my mother is a “meth head” haha.
I will certainly look into the protocols that you mentioned, along with the various products that you listed.
Thank you again, you have been very helpful.
agreed on that nebbish. thanks for the info