Morgellons Disease

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

I have had patients with this and come to find out they were Meth addicts. Methamphetamines even prescribed (Adderrall, Ritalin etc) at higher doses cause the user to pick at there skin and have hallucinations. I have also had patients with recurrent skin infections from taking there own feces and putting it in their wounds. The human mind is a very powerful thing. Look at Tiger Woods the man had everything, Model wife, kid, a billion dollars and throws it all away for strange pussy. Prof X is correct, family practice doctors are not built to handle this situation, the mental health professional is the only person to handle this.[/quote]

Did you just compare cheating in a marriage to rubbing feces in open wounds?

I suppose a connection could be drawn between the two. Regardless, I am quite confident that my family member is not a meth head, and she is not putting her feces in her open wounds…

You seem to be exhibiting the same sort of stigma towards the people suffering from this disease that most medical professionals are. Perhaps it is based on your own experiences (the individuals you have dealt with), but you must understand, it is a legitimate disease, whether the textbook says so or not.

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

I have had patients with this and come to find out they were Meth addicts. Methamphetamines even prescribed (Adderrall, Ritalin etc) at higher doses cause the user to pick at there skin and have hallucinations. I have also had patients with recurrent skin infections from taking there own feces and putting it in their wounds. The human mind is a very powerful thing. Look at Tiger Woods the man had everything, Model wife, kid, a billion dollars and throws it all away for strange pussy. Prof X is correct, family practice doctors are not built to handle this situation, the mental health professional is the only person to handle this.[/quote]

Did you just compare cheating in a marriage to rubbing feces in open wounds?

I suppose a connection could be drawn between the two. Regardless, I am quite confident that my family member is not a meth head, and she is not putting her feces in her open wounds…

You seem to be exhibiting the same sort of stigma towards the people suffering from this disease that most medical professionals are. Perhaps it is based on your own experiences (the individuals you have dealt with), but you must understand, it is a legitimate disease, whether the textbook says so or not.[/quote]

The examples were for the varying aspects of mental illness and the power of the mind. After 18 years of medicine I am a little jaded. However, for the benifit of a patient I know how and when to refer someone. Not trying to insult you or your family. But if one of my family members were exhibiting symptoms you are discribing I want every opinion not just one persons opinion.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

I have had patients with this and come to find out they were Meth addicts. Methamphetamines even prescribed (Adderrall, Ritalin etc) at higher doses cause the user to pick at there skin and have hallucinations. I have also had patients with recurrent skin infections from taking there own feces and putting it in their wounds. The human mind is a very powerful thing. Look at Tiger Woods the man had everything, Model wife, kid, a billion dollars and throws it all away for strange pussy. Prof X is correct, family practice doctors are not built to handle this situation, the mental health professional is the only person to handle this.[/quote]

Did you just compare cheating in a marriage to rubbing feces in open wounds?

I suppose a connection could be drawn between the two. Regardless, I am quite confident that my family member is not a meth head, and she is not putting her feces in her open wounds…

You seem to be exhibiting the same sort of stigma towards the people suffering from this disease that most medical professionals are. Perhaps it is based on your own experiences (the individuals you have dealt with), but you must understand, it is a legitimate disease, whether the textbook says so or not.[/quote]

The examples were for the varying aspects of mental illness and the power of the mind. After 18 years of medicine I am a little jaded. However, for the benifit of a patient I know how and when to refer someone. Not trying to insult you or your family. But if one of my family members were exhibiting symptoms you are discribing I want every opinion not just one persons opinion. [/quote]

Not to mention that I am sure most professionals can treat patients with sympathy without being gullible enough to get pulled in to whatever mental issues are going on.

None of this changes the basic fact that synthetic fibers don’t just appear out of nowhere.

Also, no matter how well you may THINK you know a family member, that does not mean they can’t have mental/emotional problems that a lay person may not catch onto.

I mean, think about it, we are just now even defining some mental abnormalities for issues that were completely ignored just ten years ago. Asperger’s syndrome is one of these that had no definitive name or diagnosis until the 90’s.

Just for perspective I was good friends with a girl in high school who has scratch marks all down both arms. She apparently uncontrollably scratched herself in her sleep leaving welts and bruises. She was also one of the funniest and smartest girls I knew at the time. I do not know the true cause of this, but I always suspected it might have been a result of childhood abuse and possibly rape.

It seems the OP is literally running from the idea of this being a psychological issue as well as biological…when the truth is, most of the time that is exactly what it is with these symptoms.

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Okay . . . I actually have some experience (horrible) w/ “Morgellons”. Morgellons is absolute BS, and yes, I will stand by that statement. I moved into a loft in Downtown L.A. w/ a brother of somebody that had been asking me for a long time to turn a novel of his into a screenplay. Well, let’s just say that I found out all about Morgellons very quickly.

They claim fibers, nausea, disorientation, “mental fog”, memory loss, inability to sleep, lesions, etc…

What it almost ALWAYS comes down to is psychiatric disorder(s), and/or methamphetamine abuse. Sorry to break it to you, but I’ve researched the dog-crap out of this (asking my family members who are doctors, some being dermatologists) and have even gone to my own doctor who works for Kaiser (contracted by the CDC to investigate “Morgellons”) about this disease.

Members of the meth community know very well of “Morgellons” and the use of “Morgellons” as a deflection/excuse for the physical and mental side-effects/ramifications of meth use is now rampant. I have caught my roommate using meth on many occasions and it is right during these meth episodes that his “Morgellons” flairs up. Utter BS. Please analyze the symptoms that “Morgellons” patients and meth abusers share. They are virtually identical.

Morgellons does not exist. Psychiatric disorders and drug abuse do. Please use as much tact as is necessary to get your family member help. Sorry to be so blunt.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

It seems the OP is literally running from the idea of this being a psychological issue as well as biological…when the truth is, most of the time that is exactly what it is with these symptoms.[/quote]

I am not running from anything. It may be hard to grasp, but I would prefer to not believe that my family member has psychological disorders and/or is a meth user. It’s not like I am necessarily denying cold hard evidence, or proven fact…

While I am grateful for the opinions of the medical practicioners who have given me their insights, I fail to see how you are any sort of authority on this subject. While I do greatly appreciate your opinion I find it slightly irritating that you so readily draw conclusions.

[quote]Morph wrote:
Okay . . . I actually have some experience (horrible) w/ “Morgellons”. Morgellons is absolute BS, and yes, I will stand by that statement. I moved into a loft in Downtown L.A. w/ a brother of somebody that had been asking me for a long time to turn a novel of his into a screenplay. Well, let’s just say that I found out all about Morgellons very quickly.

They claim fibers, nausea, disorientation, “mental fog”, memory loss, inability to sleep, lesions, etc…

What it almost ALWAYS comes down to is psychiatric disorder(s), and/or methamphetamine abuse. Sorry to break it to you, but I’ve researched the dog-crap out of this (asking my family members who are doctors, some being dermatologists) and have even gone to my own doctor who works for Kaiser (contracted by the CDC to investigate “Morgellons”) about this disease.

Members of the meth community know very well of “Morgellons” and the use of “Morgellons” as a deflection/excuse for the physical and mental side-effects/ramifications of meth use is now rampant. I have caught my roommate using meth on many occasions and it is right during these meth episodes that his “Morgellons” flairs up. Utter BS. Please analyze the symptoms that “Morgellons” patients and meth abusers share. They are virtually identical.

Morgellons does not exist. Psychiatric disorders and drug abuse do. Please use as much tact as is necessary to get your family member help. Sorry to be so blunt.

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thank you for your input

So you have asked other doctors, including members of your family about morgellons. Have you ever analyzed anyone claiming to be infested with it yourself?

I am not questioning your stance, rather i am trying to gain a greater understanding of why you feel the way you do…so strongly.

I am completely confident that the individual of interest is not using meth, so this can be ruled out. Psychological disoders are of course more difficult to prove. I will be pay closer attention to this area to see if any interesting surfaces.

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

It seems the OP is literally running from the idea of this being a psychological issue as well as biological…when the truth is, most of the time that is exactly what it is with these symptoms.[/quote]

I am not running from anything. It may be hard to grasp, but I would prefer to not believe that my family member has psychological disorders and/or is a meth user.

While I am grateful for the opinions of the medical practicioners who have given me their insights, I fail to see how you are any sort of authority on this subject. While I do appreciate your opinion I find it slightly irritating that you so readily draw conclusions.[/quote]

No one wants to believe mental illness in loved ones. However, it is what it is. I do have 18 years in the medical field and I have yet to see the human body “make” synthetic material in the skin. I hope for the best for you and your family, however you ask a question you should have expected this type of answer. Good luck. I’m done.

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

It seems the OP is literally running from the idea of this being a psychological issue as well as biological…when the truth is, most of the time that is exactly what it is with these symptoms.[/quote]

I am not running from anything. It may be hard to grasp, but I would prefer to not believe that my family member has psychological disorders and/or is a meth user.

While I am grateful for the opinions of the medical practicioners who have given me their insights, I fail to see how you are any sort of authority on this subject. While I do greatly appreciate your opinion I find it slightly irritating that you so readily draw conclusions.

[quote]Morph wrote:
Okay . . . I actually have some experience (horrible) w/ “Morgellons”. Morgellons is absolute BS, and yes, I will stand by that statement. I moved into a loft in Downtown L.A. w/ a brother of somebody that had been asking me for a long time to turn a novel of his into a screenplay. Well, let’s just say that I found out all about Morgellons very quickly.

They claim fibers, nausea, disorientation, “mental fog”, memory loss, inability to sleep, lesions, etc…

What it almost ALWAYS comes down to is psychiatric disorder(s), and/or methamphetamine abuse. Sorry to break it to you, but I’ve researched the dog-crap out of this (asking my family members who are doctors, some being dermatologists) and have even gone to my own doctor who works for Kaiser (contracted by the CDC to investigate “Morgellons”) about this disease.

Members of the meth community know very well of “Morgellons” and the use of “Morgellons” as a deflection/excuse for the physical and mental side-effects/ramifications of meth use is now rampant. I have caught my roommate using meth on many occasions and it is right during these meth episodes that his “Morgellons” flairs up. Utter BS. Please analyze the symptoms that “Morgellons” patients and meth abusers share. They are virtually identical.

Morgellons does not exist. Psychiatric disorders and drug abuse do. Please use as much tact as is necessary to get your family member help. Sorry to be so blunt.

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thank you for your input

So you have asked other doctors, including members of your family about morgellons. Have you ever analyzed anyone claiming to be infested with it yourself?

I am not questioning your stance, rather i am trying to gain a greater understanding of why you feel the way you do…so strongly.

I am completely confident that the individual of interest is not using meth, so this can be ruled out. Psychological disoders are of course more difficult to prove. I will be pay closer attention to this area to see if any interesting surfaces.[/quote]

Again, I apologize for the harshness of my summation w/ “Morgellons” but I have experienced firsthand the level of manipulation of drug addicts. I’m not saying your family member is not suffering – as she obviously is – but it’s just that she’s not suffering from Morgellons. Sorry man, I also wanted to believe that I hadn’t been duped into believing about this disease. Simple fact is that it’s not a disease, merely a marker for medical professionals to recognize as symptomatic of psychiatric disorder(s).

I am in no way being condescending when I say this, but after your family member gets themselves some help, it might be a good idea for you to check out Al-Anon (if the psychological problems she likely has are due to addict-type abuse). It’s a really good non-profit that is there for family/friends of addicts. I know of quite a few people that regularly attend their meetings and they are quite grateful for being able to attend.

Good luck w/ everything and I hope that all is for the better in the long run. :thumbup

EDIT: just saw your last post. Yes I have analyzed – perhaps at times over-analyzed – “Morgellons” patients. The person with whom I have the most contact is my loft-mate, and in the course of my research I have ran into other people currently claiming to have Morgellons and also ex-meth users who used to claim to have Morgellons in an attempt to stymy the discovery of their addiction. I did NOT run into one single person who used to claim they had Morgellons that was not also a former met user. The correlation (not just from my little informal study) between meth use/abuse and claims of Morgellons is quite strong.

There is a reason that the CDC has dedicated hardly any money to the research of this disease. Please look at the maps of where Morgellons cases are reported and then look at a map of meth use. Both AREAS will be on both maps. I believe that the CDC gave Kaiser (humungous HMO) the $ for “research” just so that Kaiser can mine its substantial data for the CDC to give them definitive – or as close to it – proof that claims of Morgellons are really an indicator for drug/meth abuse.

I grew up in the SF Bay Area and this place has been inundated w/ meth for quite some time. Take a wild guess where the first claims of Morgellons (on a widespread scale) where? Yep. Guess which TV station broke the first news report about “Morgellons”? KTVU (SF Station).

If your family member is claiming to have Morgellons and she HASN’T done meth, it’ll be the first case that I’ll know of that is as such. Either way, she needs help and perhaps her claims of Morgellons are a subconscious realization of this.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

It seems the OP is literally running from the idea of this being a psychological issue as well as biological…when the truth is, most of the time that is exactly what it is with these symptoms.[/quote]

I am not running from anything. It may be hard to grasp, but I would prefer to not believe that my family member has psychological disorders and/or is a meth user.

While I am grateful for the opinions of the medical practicioners who have given me their insights, I fail to see how you are any sort of authority on this subject. While I do appreciate your opinion I find it slightly irritating that you so readily draw conclusions.[/quote]

No one wants to believe mental illness in loved ones. However, it is what it is. I do have 18 years in the medical field and I have yet to see the human body “make” synthetic material in the skin. I hope for the best for you and your family, however you ask a question you should have expected this type of answer. Good luck. I’m done.
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I am not saying that anyone here is wrong at all. I just find it difficult to believe that there seem to be only TWO options (meth head or psychological disorders). I mean…am I crazy? or can there be more than two explanations for this?

However, I suppose the opinions of the medical professionals thus far have been pretty much identical.

It just seemed like the whole “psychological disorder” was kind of a cheap “cop out” for the failure of the medical world to treat the disease.

I just think that it would be foolish of me to stop asking questions.

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[quote]Morph wrote:

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

It seems the OP is literally running from the idea of this being a psychological issue as well as biological…when the truth is, most of the time that is exactly what it is with these symptoms.[/quote]

I am not running from anything. It may be hard to grasp, but I would prefer to not believe that my family member has psychological disorders and/or is a meth user.

While I am grateful for the opinions of the medical practicioners who have given me their insights, I fail to see how you are any sort of authority on this subject. While I do greatly appreciate your opinion I find it slightly irritating that you so readily draw conclusions.

[quote]Morph wrote:
Okay . . . I actually have some experience (horrible) w/ “Morgellons”. Morgellons is absolute BS, and yes, I will stand by that statement. I moved into a loft in Downtown L.A. w/ a brother of somebody that had been asking me for a long time to turn a novel of his into a screenplay. Well, let’s just say that I found out all about Morgellons very quickly.

They claim fibers, nausea, disorientation, “mental fog”, memory loss, inability to sleep, lesions, etc…

What it almost ALWAYS comes down to is psychiatric disorder(s), and/or methamphetamine abuse. Sorry to break it to you, but I’ve researched the dog-crap out of this (asking my family members who are doctors, some being dermatologists) and have even gone to my own doctor who works for Kaiser (contracted by the CDC to investigate “Morgellons”) about this disease.

Members of the meth community know very well of “Morgellons” and the use of “Morgellons” as a deflection/excuse for the physical and mental side-effects/ramifications of meth use is now rampant. I have caught my roommate using meth on many occasions and it is right during these meth episodes that his “Morgellons” flairs up. Utter BS. Please analyze the symptoms that “Morgellons” patients and meth abusers share. They are virtually identical.

Morgellons does not exist. Psychiatric disorders and drug abuse do. Please use as much tact as is necessary to get your family member help. Sorry to be so blunt.

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thank you for your input

So you have asked other doctors, including members of your family about morgellons. Have you ever analyzed anyone claiming to be infested with it yourself?

I am not questioning your stance, rather i am trying to gain a greater understanding of why you feel the way you do…so strongly.

I am completely confident that the individual of interest is not using meth, so this can be ruled out. Psychological disoders are of course more difficult to prove. I will be pay closer attention to this area to see if any interesting surfaces.[/quote]

Again, I apologize for the harshness of my summation w/ “Morgellons” but I have experienced firsthand the level of manipulation of drug addicts. I’m not saying your family member is not suffering – as she obviously is – but it’s just that she’s not suffering from Morgellons. Sorry man, I also wanted to believe that I hadn’t been duped into believing about this disease. Simple fact is that it’s not a disease, merely a marker for medical professionals to recognize as symptomatic of psychiatric disorder(s).

I am in no way being condescending when I say this, but after your family member gets themselves some help, it might be a good idea for you to check out Al-Anon. Really good non-profit that is there for family/friends of addicts. I know of quite a few people that regularly attend their meetings and they are quite grateful for being able to attend.

Good luck w/ everything and I hope that all is for the better in the long run. :thumbup
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Thank you for your added input. It will really be intersting to watch how this situation unfolds. What a surprise it will be if it turns out that my 52 year old upper middle class christian mother is a meth head. That will probably have a negative impact on her small buisness, but it would be foolish to rule anything out completely.

she still has all her teeth and hair…so she couldn’t have been using for too long.

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Never heard of it before,sounds like some freaky shit,like some microscopic little bastards are living under your skin.

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[quote]wigsa wrote:
Never heard of it before,sounds like some freaky shit,like some microscopic little bastards are living under your skin.[/quote]

If it actually is real that is. Judging by the responses of the medical professionals, this notion is quite a stretch.

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

It seems the OP is literally running from the idea of this being a psychological issue as well as biological…when the truth is, most of the time that is exactly what it is with these symptoms.[/quote]

I am not running from anything. It may be hard to grasp, but I would prefer to not believe that my family member has psychological disorders and/or is a meth user.

While I am grateful for the opinions of the medical practicioners who have given me their insights, I fail to see how you are any sort of authority on this subject. While I do appreciate your opinion I find it slightly irritating that you so readily draw conclusions.[/quote]

No one wants to believe mental illness in loved ones. However, it is what it is. I do have 18 years in the medical field and I have yet to see the human body “make” synthetic material in the skin. I hope for the best for you and your family, however you ask a question you should have expected this type of answer. Good luck. I’m done.
[/quote]

I am not saying that anyone here is wrong at all. I just find it difficult to believe that there seem to be only TWO options (meth head or psychological disorders). I mean…am I crazy? or can there be more than two explanations for this?

However, I suppose the opinions of the medical professionals thus far have been pretty much identical.

It just seemed like the whole “psychological disorder” was kind of a cheap “cop out” for the failure of the medical world to treat the disease.

I just think that it would be foolish of me to stop asking questions.[/quote]

None of us has stopped asking questions, but you are talking to one physician and one DDS who cuts people open on a daily basis to remove biological material from their oral cavity which means both of us have experience with surgery (yes, that is what I do everyday, Oral Surgery). If you simply want to believe that synthetic fibers appear out of scratch wounds so be it. I keep mentioning x-ray for a reason. All it would take YES, ALL IT WOULD TAKE is putting a patients arm or whatever appendage is sprouting carpet under a radiograph to see where these fibers are coming from.

Yes, that means I have experience using x-rays for such reasons in order to determine where a foreign object is lodged.

I am also not trying to give you the impression that I am closed to all possibilities, however, most people with this problem are not experiencing magic and no worm holes are opening in their bodies to shuttle out fibers. They are having emotional/psychiatric/drug problems that manifest in this way.

And hey, I really do hope you prove everyone wrong and make history proving that synthetic material just appears out of human bodies. I personally would have eyes wide open if someone found that the human body creates 50% Cotton 50% polyester tri-weave.

Anything is possible. Everything is NOT probable.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

It seems the OP is literally running from the idea of this being a psychological issue as well as biological…when the truth is, most of the time that is exactly what it is with these symptoms.[/quote]

I am not running from anything. It may be hard to grasp, but I would prefer to not believe that my family member has psychological disorders and/or is a meth user.

While I am grateful for the opinions of the medical practicioners who have given me their insights, I fail to see how you are any sort of authority on this subject. While I do appreciate your opinion I find it slightly irritating that you so readily draw conclusions.[/quote]

No one wants to believe mental illness in loved ones. However, it is what it is. I do have 18 years in the medical field and I have yet to see the human body “make” synthetic material in the skin. I hope for the best for you and your family, however you ask a question you should have expected this type of answer. Good luck. I’m done.
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I am not saying that anyone here is wrong at all. I just find it difficult to believe that there seem to be only TWO options (meth head or psychological disorders). I mean…am I crazy? or can there be more than two explanations for this?

However, I suppose the opinions of the medical professionals thus far have been pretty much identical.

It just seemed like the whole “psychological disorder” was kind of a cheap “cop out” for the failure of the medical world to treat the disease.

I just think that it would be foolish of me to stop asking questions.[/quote]

None of us has stopped asking questions, but you are talking to one physician and one DDS who cuts people open on a daily basis to remove biological material from their oral cavity which means both of us have experience with surgery (yes, that is what I do everyday, Oral Surgery). If you simply want to believe that synthetic fibers appear out of scratch wounds so be it. I keep mentioning x-ray for a reason. All it would take YES, ALL IT WOULD TAKE is putting a patients arm or whatever appendage is sprouting carpet under a radiograph to see where these fibers are coming from.

Yes, that means I have experience using x-rays for such reasons in order to determine where a foreign object is lodged.

I am also not trying to give you the impression that I am closed to all possibilities, however, most people with this problem are not experiencing magic and no worm holes are opening in their bodies to shuttle out fibers. They are having emotional/psychiatric/drug problems that manifest in this way.

And hey, I really do hope you prove everyone wrong and make history proving that synthetic material just appears out of human bodies. I personally would have eyes wide open if someone found that the human body creates 50% Cotton 50% polyester tri-weave.

Anything is possible. Everything is NOT probable.[/quote]

I’m not necessarily convinced that these fibers are synthetic…I never said they were.

I have read articles which state that the “fibers” that are excreted (as it were) are very diffcult to burn. I thought that was interesting.

I have convinced her to see a doctor to get the material tested, and to be tested for lyme’s disease and the bacteria that causes it as Anonym suggested.

They say that over 10,000 Americans are suffering from this disease (whether it is real or not).

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[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]Standard Donkey wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

It seems the OP is literally running from the idea of this being a psychological issue as well as biological…when the truth is, most of the time that is exactly what it is with these symptoms.[/quote]

I am not running from anything. It may be hard to grasp, but I would prefer to not believe that my family member has psychological disorders and/or is a meth user.

While I am grateful for the opinions of the medical practicioners who have given me their insights, I fail to see how you are any sort of authority on this subject. While I do appreciate your opinion I find it slightly irritating that you so readily draw conclusions.[/quote]

No one wants to believe mental illness in loved ones. However, it is what it is. I do have 18 years in the medical field and I have yet to see the human body “make” synthetic material in the skin. I hope for the best for you and your family, however you ask a question you should have expected this type of answer. Good luck. I’m done.
[/quote]

I am not saying that anyone here is wrong at all. I just find it difficult to believe that there seem to be only TWO options (meth head or psychological disorders). I mean…am I crazy? or can there be more than two explanations for this?

However, I suppose the opinions of the medical professionals thus far have been pretty much identical.

It just seemed like the whole “psychological disorder” was kind of a cheap “cop out” for the failure of the medical world to treat the disease.

I just think that it would be foolish of me to stop asking questions.[/quote]

None of us has stopped asking questions, but you are talking to one physician and one DDS who cuts people open on a daily basis to remove biological material from their oral cavity which means both of us have experience with surgery (yes, that is what I do everyday, Oral Surgery). If you simply want to believe that synthetic fibers appear out of scratch wounds so be it. I keep mentioning x-ray for a reason. All it would take YES, ALL IT WOULD TAKE is putting a patients arm or whatever appendage is sprouting carpet under a radiograph to see where these fibers are coming from.

Yes, that means I have experience using x-rays for such reasons in order to determine where a foreign object is lodged.

I am also not trying to give you the impression that I am closed to all possibilities, however, most people with this problem are not experiencing magic and no worm holes are opening in their bodies to shuttle out fibers. They are having emotional/psychiatric/drug problems that manifest in this way.

And hey, I really do hope you prove everyone wrong and make history proving that synthetic material just appears out of human bodies. I personally would have eyes wide open if someone found that the human body creates 50% Cotton 50% polyester tri-weave.

Anything is possible. Everything is NOT probable.[/quote]

I’m not necessarily convinced that these fibers are synthetic…I never said they were.

I have read articles which state that the “fibers” that are excreted (as it were) are very diffcult to burn. I thought that was interesting.

I have convinced her to see a doctor to get the material tested, and to be tested for lyme’s disease and the bacteria that causes it as Anonym suggested.

They say that over 10,000 Americans are suffering from this disease (whether it is real or not). [/quote]

Do you realize how many Americans are on anti-depressants and even bi-polar medication? I have a clue because I have to go through patient’s medical records daily. The symptoms described are NOT new. They have been around for centuries. Some woman gave it a name with no scientific proof leaving it as blatantly un-researched as to use “mysterious fibers” as part of a description.

“Mysterious fibers” is not a description. It is a lack of one…and considering how EASY it would be to have this tested to determine what it is made of…doesn’t the fact that it hasn’t been studied stand out as a red flag to you?

Not being easy to burn?

And let me say this…if this is your mom I can understand what you may be dealing with. It’s tough. But you don’t rule out the most likely causes before they have been proven to not be the cause. To do anything else would be bad medicine.

I am also not blaming drug use. Anxiety alone could cause this…and no offense, but at 52, it is not uncommon for depression to set in if someone feels as if their life has been…less than expected. I would focus attention on ruling out that sort of depression or “mid-life crisis” before much else unless there are stronger physical manifestations than “the unexplained”.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

And let me say this…if this is your mom I can understand what you may be dealing with. It’s tough. But you don’t rule out the most likely causes before they have been proven to not be the cause. To do anything else would be bad medicine.

I am also not blaming drug use. Anxiety alone could cause this…and no offense, but at 52, it is not uncommon for depression to set in if someone feels as if their life has been…less than expected. I would focus attention on ruling out that sort of depression or “mid-life crisis” before much else unless there are stronger physical manifestations than “the unexplained”.[/quote]

I have no doubt that she is under a significant level of stress. (However, she has a very easy job which brings in a substantial amount of money, and she is saving lives. So i would think that she is getting FAR more gratification out of what she does than the vast majority of those in the labor force).

I am not impacted at all by her circumstances, as they are not considered deadly (except for fear of obtaining the “disease” myself, if it is real that is). I am just very curious.

My father had a look at the supposed “fiber” that was protruding forth from her flesh, and he said that as he brought his finger close to it… it moved toward his finger. (could be a result of static electricity who knows, maybe he is a meth head/crazy as well).

Regardless, the fact remains, fibers are coming out of her flesh. For now, I shall conclude that you, and those in the medical field are correct, and she is either using methamphetamines or she is exhibiting psychological disorders (and is placing the fibers there herself).

I suppose this will remain the conclusion until doctors and other medical experts are able to examine things more closely.

I will continue to update this thread with any news that i obtain. Until then, everyone is welcome (and encouraged) to post their views and opinions/experiences etc.

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First, I would try to rule out conventional causes. Regarding the cause of the of the lesions, its not unusual that a person under stress will scratch all over their body during sleep. I do this a LOT some nights if I am particularly anxious. Friction with fabric can cause fibres to be lodged in the skin.

As a martial artist, I would often skin my knuckles on punching bags, and often got tiny clothing fibres stuck in the exposed wounds which I would painfully have to pick out. It actually does not take a lot of friction for fibres to get lodged in a wound, because wounds tend to be “sticky”.

Carefully document what is happening. Note what happens around the onset of these lesions that are appearing. Has your father noticed your mother scratching at herself at all? Have him pay closer attention. Try yoga, tai chi, massage, or any other stress reduction activity. See if there is a pattern of stress and lesion onset. Consider asking your mom if she would be okay with a camera at bedside to see if she is scratching herself during sleep. Just some ideas.

Hopefully you will find a conventional cause for what is happening.

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I found a couple of sites stating these fibers are not manmade:

There is one theory that suggests this disease is caused by a parasite that embeds itself into cotton products such as swabs or cotton balls, and is then transferred to humans.

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[quote]Katiekate wrote:
I found a couple of sites stating these fibers are not manmade:

http://www.morgellons-disease-research.com/morgellons-fibers.html

There is one theory that suggests this disease is caused by a parasite that embeds itself into cotton products such as swabs or cotton balls, and is then transferred to humans.[/quote]

thank you for the link. Yes, there are many theories surrounding this thing, yet little research.

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Judging by the comments, this seems to be a serious video:

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Apparentlt the magnified view of an actual Morgellon’s worm?