More Women Needed

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I have a hard time finding a good fit being a 34DD. As was once pointed out I currently only have the industrial not so pretty bras. That and I think the VS bras seem to run smaller than other bras. Is this so women can claim being a D if they are really a C?

so sorry for the hijack.

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I think you’re right about this, but it’s not a full cup, maybe a third? It’s why I like them so much, other brands don’t fit well. They also seem to do the inverse with panties, an XS is a normal S.

[quote]dragonmamma wrote:
tootles27 wrote:
HH do you really think women are needed after all this bra talk?? LOL

If you’re getting bored, we could start talking about tampons and pads.

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Tampons and pads are outdated. Every woman needs a DivaCup. I’ve been using this thing for years and love it.

[quote]sluicy wrote: I’ve been using this thing for years and love it.

www.divacup.com[/quote]

Really?

[quote]tootles27 wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
Yes, the little girl is beautiful. No question. You’d think that would be what her father focused on, wouldn’t you? Rather than the horrible, hurtful things that happened to her 7 years ago.

Standndeliver, lol. Wow. You’ve caught me off guard. I’ll have to think about what you’ve said. Plus, I’m on my way out.

EmilyQ, let me start off by saying you always have good posts and I agree with the things you say almost 100% of the time. I don’t think that HH deserved what you said UNLESS he hopped on one of your threads and ripped you apart first (then I hang my head). I think I saw somewhere that you are a counselor? Maybe you are reacting strongly due to what you see daily.

I thought HH was just trying to be funny but everyone takes things differently.[/quote]

Ergh. I would rather talk about bras. But yes, I’m a counselor working with kids. I see all sorts of damage, and yes, I’m sensitive to it. But shouldn’t everyone be? Headhunter came to my attention as a parent in his “Should I Buy My Daughter a Vibrator?” thread:

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2011945

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
This is a serious question, not meant to offend anyone, and I hope it’ll stay here and not in the Men’s section.

What’s a good age to buy a vibrator for my daughter? Any way to tell? I’m guessing when she’s 12? Too early?

I would buy it, put it in one of her clothing drawers, with a note saying something like: “Don’t mention this. Just use it, ignore it, throw it away, whatever you want. I love you, Dad.”

Is all of this a stupid thing to do? All I want is for my daughter to be happy.

My question is sincere so I hope it will treated this way.

Thanks for any ideas.[/quote]

I treated him politely in there initially (“be careful! that’s not a good idea!”). When he mentioned how lucky his daughter is to have him (rat-infested box in China, tenured wife, blah blah blah) I made the point that most parents consider themselves the lucky ones. He called me names. (My bitterness over my lack of appeal to a man being the main theme then, as now.)

He claimed to be trolling in that thread, whatever that means, and not sincere. In which case, he was using his daughter to serve his apparently bottomless need for attention. As he did here, in this thread.

So we’ve been here before. The name calling, the horror at being misunderstood, the whole thing. To be honest, I’m not entirely convinced the daughter even exists. Because what freak broken-records about saving a child from a rat-infested box in China for seven years? But again, whether she exists or is a figment of his imagination, it’s distasteful to use a child in ways that are not advantageous to them, to make yourself feel good. Posting a kid’s pic on the internet and discussing her painful private history is inappropriate in the extreme.

sluicy, dogs are different. People tend to feel abandoned, unlovable, hurt, and very ashamed of injuries like having been left to die among the rats. We mock people for having a face only a mother could love. What does it mean when even a mother couldn’t love yours? Dogs don’t have language. Your dog won’t realize it if you decide to tell people over and over again about no one wanting him when he was born. But you know, I’d bet you don’t. I bet you don’t focus very much on how lucky your dog is, or tell your friends about it. Headhunter, on the other hand, has mentioned wanting to take his kid to Vegas, she’s so lucky!

I don’t care about Headhunter. I ignore him and generally speaking don’t care what he posts. If this is a real daughter, though, he needs to start treating her like one.

You said most parents brag about their kids and you’re right. But HH is bragging about himself, not his daughter. He doesn’t say anything nice about her until after my first attacking post.

[quote]sluicy wrote:

I could go on for hours about this. As to your personal fit, the T-shirt bra was scaled down. There are a lot of other bras in 34D they carry though. I know they run close to $50 but it’s worth it. Go in and ask for the bra wardrobe in 34D. (Heck, I know I sound like a sales plug… I swear I don’t work there any more!)

That being said, I haven’t ever had a conquistador give personal support of that type. Not something widely available in our culture.[/quote]

The problem is that if you’re a 32D or DD, a 34 will scoot up in back. I’m bitter (BITTER) that VS doesn’t sell 32Ds at the stores. They have them online, but unless you already know what you wear, that’s a pain in the ass.

Why do they assume any woman with a D cup will be heavy? (Not that 34 is heavy, of course, but I’m ranting so bear with me.) Also, when will the breast implant market kick in? Those are presumably slight women with large breasts.

This is oppression, this is. I’m trained to recognize it.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
sluicy wrote:
By selling out I mean, when I worked there, it was like bras were an afterthought for most of the women who came in, they were resigned to having uncomfortable department store bras, or they were willing to settle for anything close to their size… won’t work! The rationale was because it’s “just underwear.”

It shouldn’t be so, I mean we wear them as support of a sensitive body part, next to our skin, for the majority of the day. If women would be properly measured (which most are NOT) and given a good, varied selection of fits in their size they would never complain again. I could go on for hours. A bad vs. good bra can make the difference between a comfortable day and a totally irritating day, but most women pooh-pooh the importance of having a proper fit, because they’ve never had it.

I could go on for hours about this. As to your personal fit, the T-shirt bra was scaled down because it didn’t sell very well. There are a lot of other bras in 34D they carry though. I know they run close to $50 but it’s worth it. Go in and ask for the bra wardrobe in 34D. (Heck, I know I sound like a sales plug… I swear I don’t work there any more!)

That being said, I haven’t ever had a conquistador give personal support of that type. Not something widely available in our culture.

I have a hard time finding a good fit being a 34DD. As was once pointed out I currently only have the industrial not so pretty bras. That and I think the VS bras seem to run smaller than other bras. Is this so women can claim being a D if they are really a C?

so sorry for the hijack.

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Hey, HH asked for chicks in the forums, so here ya go.

VS makes 34DDs in their Body by Victoria, Angels and Very Sexy collections. The Ipex wireless (BBV) bras are ridiculously comfortable. Even better than good sports bras. I could rant all day about how comfy they are. Really though (and I know I sound like a salesperson, but I was totally converted after working there) if you try everything in your size you will find something fantastic.

And regular “industrial” bras tend to run large, but they are not correct sizing. A proper fit is rib measurement (just below breasts) = band size, then subtract measurement around largest part of chest, over nipples, to = cup size. 1"=A, 2"=B, 4" =C, etc. For example, 32 around ribs and 36 around nipple = 32 C. As the famous bra episode on Oprah illustrated, most women wear a band size too big and a cup size too small. I.e. if you are a 36C and it is uncomfortable, try a 34D.

Best option is just go to a Victoria’s Secret and get measured by someone who really knows what they’re doing and go through the bra wardrobe. Honestly. It works. They are pricey but it’s worth it. A good bra is sorely underrated. Conquistadors not withstanding.

*edit I took out the crap about measuring more muscular women because it was just unnecessary, this works.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

You said most parents brag about their kids and you’re right. But HH is bragging about himself, not his daughter. He doesn’t say anything nice about her until after my first attacking post.

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You said that so much better than I did.

[quote]sluicy wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
sluicy wrote:
By selling out I mean, when I worked there, it was like bras were an afterthought for most of the women who came in, they were resigned to having uncomfortable department store bras, or they were willing to settle for anything close to their size… won’t work! The rationale was because it’s “just underwear.”

It shouldn’t be so, I mean we wear them as support of a sensitive body part, next to our skin, for the majority of the day. If women would be properly measured (which most are NOT) and given a good, varied selection of fits in their size they would never complain again. I could go on for hours. A bad vs. good bra can make the difference between a comfortable day and a totally irritating day, but most women pooh-pooh the importance of having a proper fit, because they’ve never had it.

I could go on for hours about this. As to your personal fit, the T-shirt bra was scaled down because it didn’t sell very well. There are a lot of other bras in 34D they carry though. I know they run close to $50 but it’s worth it. Go in and ask for the bra wardrobe in 34D. (Heck, I know I sound like a sales plug… I swear I don’t work there any more!)

That being said, I haven’t ever had a conquistador give personal support of that type. Not something widely available in our culture.

I have a hard time finding a good fit being a 34DD. As was once pointed out I currently only have the industrial not so pretty bras. That and I think the VS bras seem to run smaller than other bras. Is this so women can claim being a D if they are really a C?

so sorry for the hijack.

Hey, HH asked for chicks in the forums, so here ya go.

VS makes 34DDs in their Body by Victoria, Angels and Very Sexy collections. The Ipex wireless (BBV) bras are ridiculously comfortable. Even better than good sports bras. I could rant all day about how comfy they are. Really though (and I know I sound like a salesperson, but I was totally converted after working there) if you try everything in your size you will find something fantastic.

And regular “industrial” bras tend to run large, but they are not correct sizing. A proper fit is rib measurement (just below breasts) = band size, then subtract measurement around largest part of chest, over nipples, to = cup size. 1"=A, 2"=B, 4" =C, etc. For example, 32 around ribs and 36 around nipple = 32 C. As the famous bra episode on Oprah illustrated, most women wear a band size too big and a bra size too small. I.e. if you are a 36C and it is uncomfortable, try a 34D.

The relevant problem I had was with more muscular women with a bit of a V-taper. In that case, measure yourself directly under your arms, over the top of your chest, for the band size. If it is different from the below-the-boobs band size, go with that.

Best option is just go to a Victoria’s Secret and get measured by someone who really knows what they’re doing and go through the bra wardrobe. Honestly. It works. They are pricey but it’s worth it. A good bra is sorely underrated. Conquistadors not withstanding.[/quote]

Thank you! I will take the measurements tonight.

I might just have to splurge and try one of your recommendations as I too have no conquistador. I usually have to hold my boobs myself.

Although, when I would run the stairs when I did too much cardio, I just said forget it and held them suckers down with my arms over my chest. Visions of tissue tearing in my head.

[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
I might just have to splurge and try one of your recommendations as I too have no conquistador. I usually have to hold my boobs myself.

Although, when I would run the stairs when I did too much cardio, I just said forget it and held them suckers down with my arms over my chest. Visions of tissue tearing in my head.

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Shame on the men in your demographic…

I will be in Manteca in 2 weeks and would gladly hold your boobs; free of charge of course.

Chivalry is FAR from dead.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
sluicy wrote:

I could go on for hours about this. As to your personal fit, the T-shirt bra was scaled down. There are a lot of other bras in 34D they carry though. I know they run close to $50 but it’s worth it. Go in and ask for the bra wardrobe in 34D. (Heck, I know I sound like a sales plug… I swear I don’t work there any more!)

That being said, I haven’t ever had a conquistador give personal support of that type. Not something widely available in our culture.

The problem is that if you’re a 32D or DD, a 34 will scoot up in back. I’m bitter (BITTER) that VS doesn’t sell 32Ds at the stores. They have them online, but unless you already know what you wear, that’s a pain in the ass.

Why do they assume any woman with a D cup will be heavy? (Not that 34 is heavy, of course, but I’m ranting so bear with me.) Also, when will the breast implant market kick in? Those are presumably slight women with large breasts.

This is oppression, this is. I’m trained to recognize it.

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Really? Where do you live? I’m in Dallas and the five Vs stores I’ve visited here all sell D-DD sizes, 32 and up. And yes, they tend to ride higher on the back. For me, I don’t notice it too much, but I’m only a B, so I’m sure it’s different for those more priveledged-ly endowed.

[quote]Polish Rifle wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
I might just have to splurge and try one of your recommendations as I too have no conquistador. I usually have to hold my boobs myself.

Although, when I would run the stairs when I did too much cardio, I just said forget it and held them suckers down with my arms over my chest. Visions of tissue tearing in my head.

Shame on the men in your demographic…

I will be in Manteca in 2 weeks and would gladly hold your boobs; free of charge of course.

Chivalry is FAR from dead.

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I don’t know where Manteca is but it warms my heart to know you would sacrifice to perform such a vital duty!

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
sluicy wrote:

I could go on for hours about this. As to your personal fit, the T-shirt bra was scaled down. There are a lot of other bras in 34D they carry though. I know they run close to $50 but it’s worth it. Go in and ask for the bra wardrobe in 34D. (Heck, I know I sound like a sales plug… I swear I don’t work there any more!)

That being said, I haven’t ever had a conquistador give personal support of that type. Not something widely available in our culture.

The problem is that if you’re a 32D or DD, a 34 will scoot up in back. I’m bitter (BITTER) that VS doesn’t sell 32Ds at the stores. They have them online, but unless you already know what you wear, that’s a pain in the ass.

Why do they assume any woman with a D cup will be heavy? (Not that 34 is heavy, of course, but I’m ranting so bear with me.) Also, when will the breast implant market kick in? Those are presumably slight women with large breasts.

This is oppression, this is. I’m trained to recognize it.

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I am bitter, of course, because I am not a 34D!!

Only a low C…boo, hiss.

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
tootles27 wrote:
EmilyQ wrote:
Yes, the little girl is beautiful. No question. You’d think that would be what her father focused on, wouldn’t you? Rather than the horrible, hurtful things that happened to her 7 years ago.

Standndeliver, lol. Wow. You’ve caught me off guard. I’ll have to think about what you’ve said. Plus, I’m on my way out.

EmilyQ, let me start off by saying you always have good posts and I agree with the things you say almost 100% of the time. I don’t think that HH deserved what you said UNLESS he hopped on one of your threads and ripped you apart first (then I hang my head). I think I saw somewhere that you are a counselor? Maybe you are reacting strongly due to what you see daily.

I thought HH was just trying to be funny but everyone takes things differently.

Ergh. I would rather talk about bras. But yes, I’m a counselor working with kids. I see all sorts of damage, and yes, I’m sensitive to it. But shouldn’t everyone be? Headhunter came to my attention as a parent in his “Should I Buy My Daughter a Vibrator?” thread:

http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=2011945

Headhunter wrote:
This is a serious question, not meant to offend anyone, and I hope it’ll stay here and not in the Men’s section.

What’s a good age to buy a vibrator for my daughter? Any way to tell? I’m guessing when she’s 12? Too early?

I would buy it, put it in one of her clothing drawers, with a note saying something like: “Don’t mention this. Just use it, ignore it, throw it away, whatever you want. I love you, Dad.”

Is all of this a stupid thing to do? All I want is for my daughter to be happy.

My question is sincere so I hope it will treated this way.

Thanks for any ideas.

I treated him politely in there initially (“be careful! that’s not a good idea!”). When he mentioned how lucky his daughter is to have him (rat-infested box in China, tenured wife, blah blah blah) I made the point that most parents consider themselves the lucky ones. He called me names. (My bitterness over my lack of appeal to a man being the main theme then, as now.)

He claimed to be trolling in that thread, whatever that means, and not sincere. In which case, he was using his daughter to serve his apparently bottomless need for attention. As he did here, in this thread.

So we’ve been here before. The name calling, the horror at being misunderstood, the whole thing. To be honest, I’m not entirely convinced the daughter even exists. Because what freak broken-records about saving a child from a rat-infested box in China for seven years? But again, whether she exists or is a figment of his imagination, it’s distasteful to use a child in ways that are not advantageous to them, to make yourself feel good. Posting a kid’s pic on the internet and discussing her painful private history is inappropriate in the extreme.

sluicy, dogs are different. People tend to feel abandoned, unlovable, hurt, and very ashamed of injuries like having been left to die among the rats. We mock people for having a face only a mother could love. What does it mean when even a mother couldn’t love yours? Dogs don’t have language. Your dog won’t realize it if you decide to tell people over and over again about no one wanting him when he was born. But you know, I’d bet you don’t. I bet you don’t focus very much on how lucky your dog is, or tell your friends about it. Headhunter, on the other hand, has mentioned wanting to take his kid to Vegas, she’s so lucky!

I don’t care about Headhunter. I ignore him and generally speaking don’t care what he posts. If this is a real daughter, though, he needs to start treating her like one.

You said most parents brag about their kids and you’re right. But HH is bragging about himself, not his daughter. He doesn’t say anything nice about her until after my first attacking post.

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EmilyQ, you are my hero. You have the balls to say you don’t agree and and you stand up for what you believe in. People make mistakes and the thing with the internet is that your words live on forever. Worse than memory. So unless HH comes on this thread and says he believes in everything he said in the past is true I will give him a second chance. Men have a hard time translating feelings so I will give him the benefit of the doubt UNTIL he proves otherwise now. I think he was honest on wanting women’s opinions so he will get until he has done me personally wrong.

Emily, I rarely agree with anything you write.

But if one thing should be (and likely is) known on T-Nation, it’s that HH is a motherfucking clown. The fact that he’s a teacher is a disgrace to the county’s educational system.

I’m sure he’s filled with good intentions, and I really have nothing against him except his overwhelming stupidity, but it’s hard to be tolerant of someone who looks at gays like they have some sort of communicable disease and starts shit on the internet because no one will listen to his crazy fuckin ass in the real world.

And all this talk about tits and bra sizes is useless without pics. Get on it ladies.

[quote]sluicy wrote:
meangenes wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:
sluicy wrote:
You wear a bra all day and see how you like it. Be sure to go with underwire, no cheating. You shouldn’t complain, it’s the price paid for lugging around these bobbly things you boys like so much.

Well, we keep offering to hold them for you, but nooooooo. Keep spitting on chivalry, sista. And keep your bra rash!

T-men - 1

T-vixens - 0

I admit, I was rather amused by the mental picture of a guy dressed like a Spanish conquistador trotting along behind me holding my boobs while I grocery shop and walk the dog and attend classes. [/quote]

Is that an offer? :wink:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Emily, I rarely agree with anything you write.

But if one thing should be (and likely is) known on T-Nation, it’s that HH is a motherfucking clown. The fact that he’s a teacher is a disgrace to the county’s educational system.

I’m sure he’s filled with good intentions, and I really have nothing against him except his overwhelming stupidity, but it’s hard to be tolerant of someone who looks at gays like they have some sort of communicable disease and starts shit on the internet because no one will listen to his crazy fuckin ass in the real world.

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Things people can’t understand= zero tolerance.

I love the gays…no lesbo!!

[quote]tootles27 wrote:
no lesbo!![/quote]

Nuts. At least say you’re bi.

[quote]tootles27 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Emily, I rarely agree with anything you write.

But if one thing should be (and likely is) known on T-Nation, it’s that HH is a motherfucking clown. The fact that he’s a teacher is a disgrace to the county’s educational system.

I’m sure he’s filled with good intentions, and I really have nothing against him except his overwhelming stupidity, but it’s hard to be tolerant of someone who looks at gays like they have some sort of communicable disease and starts shit on the internet because no one will listen to his crazy fuckin ass in the real world.

Things people can’t understand= zero tolerance.

I love the gays…yes lesbo!![/quote]

pics?

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
And all this talk about tits and bra sizes is useless without pics. Get on it ladies.[/quote]

only for Irish, me showing the value of a mano-bra (my own hands in use)