[quote]Stronghold wrote:
That might explain why people have been smoking weed for hundreds, if not thousands of years with no reported negative side effects, but in the United States, pot causes that terrible reefer madness where you eat junk food, play Grand Tourismo, and take part in stupid politically motivated studies aiming to prove how bad weed is.[/quote]
Hahaha… yes…
[quote]Stronghold wrote:
tom63 wrote:
One problem with illegal drugs is that they blow through the blood brain barrier very quickly
And legal drugs dont?
Maybe the brain secretly keeps up with drug laws and changes what it does based on whats on the books in your current location.
That might explain why people have been smoking weed for hundreds, if not thousands of years with no reported negative side effects, but in the United States, pot causes that terrible reefer madness where you eat junk food, play Grand Tourismo, and take part in stupid politically motivated studies aiming to prove how bad weed is.[/quote]
I’m not talking about reefer madness and some psycho killing people, I’m talking about things such as depression, effects on memory and such.
there aren’t many long term studies on marijuana usage as compared to cigarettes and alcohol, because pot is illegal.
I asked a friend that had smoked in a day what a fuckton, ( a scientific measurement of a few shit loads, ie a whole lot) of weed a day would be. He told me a 1/4 oz. He said this would be 40$ + depending on product and supply.
Explain to me how we can quantify and control a scientific experiment to show long and short term damage with an illegal, controlled substance? that some authorities think can have negative effects long term. you’re just not going to be able to get it done.
How would you get approval somehow for a large study to have waste product levels of pot to now and then casual usage?
I’ll pass and trust Dr. Drew Pinsky, a doc who treats addiction, Dr. Daniel Amen, a doc who treats brain ailments, and Candace Pert, PhD, the Author of Molecules of Emotion.
Dr. Pert was one of the early researchers who discovered and mapped out receptors in brain chemistry. She was in Nobel prize territory, but didn’t win, so she’s no slouch in the brains department,
She’s not a fan of pot and thinks that it can have short and long term negative effects on your brain function. she does think that the effects are reversible if you stop using, but it does have an effect.
Substances we ingest can compete with natural substances at receptors and cause a decrease in sensitivity and or amount of receptors. In the short term with booze or pot you might get an anti anxiety effect, but long term you end up with more of what you were trying to quell.
The you have the effect of multiple drugs. I’ve know a lot of pot users who drink to moderate to high levels. Now you get a synergistic effect. Dr. Pert thinks that any drug the changes your mood can be abused and can cause suboptimal health and chronic depression.
I’m going to trust her opinion over some guys on the net. After all she discovered this stuff while you fellows were smoking dope, hahahaha!
Now I mentioned about my sister in law. She has smoked a lot over the years. all the stereotypes of a pot user fit her. she’s lazy unmotivated and just doesn’t have her shit together. I haven’t done detailed studies on her brain function to compare before and after, but she hasn’t done much of anything after, hahaha!
I’m not going to defend alcohol usage at high levels, dispensing scrips willy nilly for every little bad mood, or nay other abuse of a drug. Many can be bad if overused. Just don’t kid yourself that pot is nothing and it won’t have an effect.
One of the arguments I’ve seen for the legalization of pot is how damaging alcohol is compared to pot. And I would tend to agree that alcohol has some serious potential for damage with abuse and misuse. but that’s not going to convince any legislator that it should be legal. It’s not going to happen.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Now I mentioned about my sister in law. She has smoked a lot over the years. all the stereotypes of a pot user fit her. she’s lazy unmotivated and just doesn’t have her shit together. I haven’t done detailed studies on her brain function to compare before and after, but she hasn’t done much of anything after, hahaha!
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Your sister in-law sounds like three quarter of the American population. A bunch of lazy fat asses and you think it has something with smoking pot. I was really trying hard in my earlier post to be nice and civil. Not anymore, you’re a brain washed idiot and I hope you will have the good sense to not vote or reproduce.
I am so high right now
[quote]tom63 wrote:
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You do sound like one brainwashed idiot.
For once I agree with Lixy.
[quote]streamline wrote:
tom63 wrote:
Now I mentioned about my sister in law. She has smoked a lot over the years. all the stereotypes of a pot user fit her. she’s lazy unmotivated and just doesn’t have her shit together. I haven’t done detailed studies on her brain function to compare before and after, but she hasn’t done much of anything after, hahaha!
Your sister in-law sounds like three quarter of the American population. A bunch of lazy fat asses and you think it has something with smoking pot. I was really trying hard in my earlier post to be nice and civil. Not anymore, you’re a brain washed idiot and I hope you will have the good sense to not vote or reproduce.
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Yeah, dude, what are you talking about? First of all, when you’re talking about lazy and unmotivated, that’s complete bullshit. That’s just as individualized as any other personal trait. I’ve smoked pot on a consistant basis for four years, and I bust my ass in the gym, in school, and while working just as hard as someone who doesn’t smoke pot. I have friends who all smoke, and some of them are the most brilliant, intelligent, and determined people I’ve ever met. You’re basing all of your rationalizations on stereotypes and half-baked studies done by one doctor.
You keep mentioning the addictiveness of marijuana. Well, it doesn’t exist. I know for a fact, and I know there’s many other people on these boards that would agree, that pot isn’t addictive. After pretty much smoking every day this whole last year, I’ve had to quit about a month and half ago for a drug test coming up for a job. It’s insane, I know, but I haven’t once gone into withdrawals, been cranky, or had any urge to smoke whatsoever. It’s called restraint and discipline, and it’s something a lot of people, (apparently your sister,) lack. Don’t lope the rest of us in those people who aren’t a constructive component of our society, please.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I’m not talking about reefer madness and some psycho killing people, I’m talking about things such as depression, effects on memory and such.[/quote]
Effects on short term memory is only for the duration of intoxication. Depression only occurs in people who were going to get it anyway. Making the drug illegal means people turn to it without consulting a Doctor. What the hell is “and such”?
Actually, you can test controlled substances, it’s just that the big pharmaceutical companies don’t like the idea of a medication that you can make in the dirt of your own backyard, so they lobby against it. Read the post I made about the myths of marijuana.
Fuckton? I’m not even going near that one.
The government can approve experimentation on controlled substances, how do you think they measured all the negative effects of Heroin, meth etc.? That sure as hell wasn’t anecdotal evidence, whereas weed gets the whole “oh, my friends boyfriends ex-flatmates cousin did it and this happened”.
See above.
They’re likely on the payroll of a company with an incentive to get rid of cannabis.
[quote]Dr. Pert was one of the early researchers who discovered and mapped out receptors in brain chemistry. She was in Nobel prize territory, but didn’t win, so she’s no slouch in the brains department,
She’s not a fan of pot and thinks that it can have short and long term negative effects on your brain function. she does think that the effects are reversible if you stop using, but it does have an effect.[/quote]
Thinks. Hasn’t proven. I think your a gullible moron, but that doesn’t necessarily make it true (although it very likely is).
Again, there is no evidence of receptors becoming desensitized to THC. Quote sources if you’re going to make outlandish claims.
The amount of pot you’d have to smoke for long-term problems would be more than you could smoke without passing out. The only way to conceivably overdose on pot is through an intravenous feed of pure THC. Even then it’s questionable if it would be the THC itself or the quantity of THC that gets you.
Hahahaha! None of these theories are proven! Quote sources! Hahahaha!
Sounds like a typical lazy person. Take away the pot and you’ll still have the same unmotivated lazy slob you always had. Pot makes you “lazy” for the duration of intoxication.
It has an effect, but not as bad as you make out. Excuse me while I go and try overdose on dope-- oh wait. I can’t. That would require 20,000 joints… and I don’t think I could smoke 'em all in one go.
Alcohol causes less damage than pot. Alcohol results in long term damage when overused. The ratio of Amount To Get Drunk vs. Amount to Overdose is anywhere from 1:4 to 1:10. The ratio for pot is estimated at 1:40,000.
You’re an idiot for believing what you’re told without looking further into the issue.
I’ll now use your logic and say you have a similar mentality of blind acceptance that most terrorists have, therefore you must be one.
Dirty commie.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
tom63 wrote:
I’m not talking about reefer madness and some psycho killing people, I’m talking about things such as depression, effects on memory and such.
Effects on short term memory is only for the duration of intoxication. Depression only occurs in people who were going to get it anyway. Making the drug illegal means people turn to it without consulting a Doctor. What the hell is “and such”?
there aren’t many long term studies on marijuana usage as compared to cigarettes and alcohol, because pot is illegal.
Actually, you can test controlled substances, it’s just that the big pharmaceutical companies don’t like the idea of a medication that you can make in the dirt of your own backyard, so they lobby against it. Read the post I made about the myths of marijuana.
I asked a friend that had smoked in a day what a fuckton, ( a scientific measurement of a few shit loads, ie a whole lot) of weed a day would be. He told me a 1/4 oz. He said this would be 40$ + depending on product and supply.
Fuckton? I’m not even going near that one.
Explain to me how we can quantify and control a scientific experiment to show long and short term damage with an illegal, controlled substance? that some authorities think can have negative effects long term. you’re just not going to be able to get it done.
The government can approve experimentation on controlled substances, how do you think they measured all the negative effects of Heroin, meth etc.? That sure as hell wasn’t anecdotal evidence, whereas weed gets the whole “oh, my friends boyfriends ex-flatmates cousin did it and this happened”.
How would you get approval somehow for a large study to have waste product levels of pot to now and then casual usage?
See above.
I’ll pass and trust Dr. Drew Pinsky, a doc who treats addiction, Dr. Daniel Amen, a doc who treats brain ailments, and Candace Pert, PhD, the Author of Molecules of Emotion.
They’re likely on the payroll of a company with an incentive to get rid of cannabis.
Dr. Pert was one of the early researchers who discovered and mapped out receptors in brain chemistry. She was in Nobel prize territory, but didn’t win, so she’s no slouch in the brains department,
She’s not a fan of pot and thinks that it can have short and long term negative effects on your brain function. she does think that the effects are reversible if you stop using, but it does have an effect.
Thinks. Hasn’t proven. I think your a gullible moron, but that doesn’t necessarily make it true (although it very likely is).
Substances we ingest can compete with natural substances at receptors and cause a decrease in sensitivity and or amount of receptors. In the short term with booze or pot you might get an anti anxiety effect, but long term you end up with more of what you were trying to quell.
Again, there is no evidence of receptors becoming desensitized to THC. Quote sources if you’re going to make outlandish claims.
The you have the effect of multiple drugs. I’ve know a lot of pot users who drink to moderate to high levels. Now you get a synergistic effect. Dr. Pert thinks that any drug the changes your mood can be abused and can cause suboptimal health and chronic depression.
The amount of pot you’d have to smoke for long-term problems would be more than you could smoke without passing out. The only way to conceivably overdose on pot is through an intravenous feed of pure THC. Even then it’s questionable if it would be the THC itself or the quantity of THC that gets you.
I’m going to trust her opinion over some guys on the net. After all she discovered this stuff while you fellows were smoking dope, hahahaha!
Hahahaha! None of these theories are proven! Quote sources! Hahahaha!
Now I mentioned about my sister in law. She has smoked a lot over the years. all the stereotypes of a pot user fit her. she’s lazy unmotivated and just doesn’t have her shit together. I haven’t done detailed studies on her brain function to compare before and after, but she hasn’t done much of anything after, hahaha!
Sounds like a typical lazy person. Take away the pot and you’ll still have the same unmotivated lazy slob you always had. Pot makes you “lazy” for the duration of intoxication.
I’m not going to defend alcohol usage at high levels, dispensing scrips willy nilly for every little bad mood, or nay other abuse of a drug. Many can be bad if overused. Just don’t kid yourself that pot is nothing and it won’t have an effect.
It has an effect, but not as bad as you make out. Excuse me while I go and try overdose on dope-- oh wait. I can’t. That would require 20,000 joints… and I don’t think I could smoke 'em all in one go.
One of the arguments I’ve seen for the legalization of pot is how damaging alcohol is compared to pot. And I would tend to agree that alcohol has some serious potential for damage with abuse and misuse. but that’s not going to convince any legislator that it should be legal. It’s not going to happen.
Alcohol causes less damage than pot. Alcohol results in long term damage when overused. The ratio of Amount To Get Drunk vs. Amount to Overdose is anywhere from 1:4 to 1:10. The ratio for pot is estimated at 1:40,000.
You’re an idiot for believing what you’re told without looking further into the issue.
I’ll now use your logic and say you have a similar mentality of blind acceptance that most terrorists have, therefore you must be one.
Dirty commie.[/quote]
You’re wasting your time. He sounds like a brainwashed DEA agent to me.
[quote]streamline wrote:
You’re wasting your time. He sounds like a brainwashed DEA agent to me.[/quote]
I know, but I’m always compelled to make an argument when someone says something stupid. It’s just like “steroids are bad for you” or “sex is immoral” or “killing animals for food is wrong”.
It’s just made worse by the fact that all his points can be scientifically debunked.
What about the fact that pot is the gateway drug and that almost everyone who uses hard drugs, at one point, smoked some dope?
I guess well just have to ignore the fact that nearly EVERYONE under the age of 30 has at, some point, smoked up.
Every junkie or alcoholic that Iv ever come into contact with has smoked cigarettes. I think that makes tobacco a gateway drug too. Whats the difference between tobacco and mj?
Tobacco kills people and has a $100m lobby in Washington to cover its ass.
Whereas stoners can’t organize themselves in such a fashion. They’d probably be stoned if the stereotypes actually help up.
But it’s more likely that they couldn’t take time of their high paying job.
Have you ever read T-Nation… On weed?
Man, there is some trippy shit going on here! Look at that post, you don’t know if this guy is being serous or not! It’s like, hey, these could be his real thoughts but since you don’t know the guy, you really can’t tell!
[quote]skaz05 wrote:
Have you ever read T-Nation… On weed?[/quote]
Trip-Nation?
Weed-Nation. Hell yeah!
I’ve done a lot of things on weed…
Hey man… ya ever looked at a twenty-dollar bill?
‘Man, I don’t know, yo.’
"Well, you ever looked at a twenty-dollar bill… on weed? There’s some crazy shit going on there! There’s a guy in the bushes… does he have a gun? I don’t know… red team go! Red team go!
Sorry, I had to after skaz’s post.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
Explain to me how we can quantify and control a scientific experiment to show long and short term damage with an illegal, controlled substance?[/quote]
So the concern is getting a study to show that it is negative, even if it isn’t? Shouldn’t the concern be how to get the best accurate conclusion regarding short term and long term affects instead of trying to “show long and short term damage”.
There’s been plenty of studies, they don’t show “long and short term damage” for a reason.
Oh, and a little f.y.i. America isn’t the only country capable of medical studies.
[quote]you’re just not going to be able to get it done.
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BULL SHIT
You absolutely can get it done and it is done quite frequently. 1st page google results below, not going to bother digging up more than these if the previously brought up studies have somehow not triggered anything in your brain.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
I’m not talking about reefer madness and some psycho killing people, I’m talking about things such as depression, effects on memory and such.
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I’m desperately trying to understand why you think because you or people you know don’t handle a specific drug all too well it means that everyone is the same. Pot makes you depressed?
Simple solution, drug isn’t for you, avoid it in the future. Gee, that was fucking amazingly simple. Can you stop trying to legislate what I do based on your inability to enjoy the same activities? Please???
Edit: Speaking of Reefer Madness, that’s a hilarious film (especially if you’re high).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6696582420128930236
[quote]Magnate wrote:
I’m desperately trying to understand why you think because you or people you know don’t handle a specific drug all too well it means that everyone is the same.
Pot makes you depressed? Simple solution, drug isn’t for you, avoid it in the future. Gee, that was fucking amazingly simple. Can you stop trying to legislate what I do based on your inability to enjoy the same activities? Please???[/quote]
Pot doesn’t cause depression, it only aggravates the condition where it is pre-existing in individuals. If it were legal, then people would be more open to consulting a Doctor about whether or not their mental condition allows them to use THC.
And he won’t stop, people like him can’t see beyond their own nose.
And I think he knows he’s wrong, that’s why he’s stopped posting on this thread.