Ending/fixing, however you want to say it, the drug war is one area where I agree with Pit, and likely the general consensus of the Contemporary American Liberal.
However, I do get hung up on one fairly significant issue:
For decades the government has made a good profit putting people in prison for the same plant you all are now voting for them to turn around and make a handsome profit regulating and selling to you.
All other factors aside, it just seems like another case of “whelp the government wins and the people lose, again.”
I mean, imagine the epic freakout when Monsanto is given the patient for marijuana cigarettes…
And we all know the knobs in D.C. are going to do that.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Ending/fixing, however you want to say it, the drug war is one area where I agree with Pit, and likely the general consensus of the Contemporary American Liberal.
However, I do get hung up on one fairly significant issue:
For decades the government has made a good profit putting people in prison for the same plant you all are now voting for them to turn around and make a handsome profit regulating and selling to you.
All other factors aside, it just seems like another case of “whelp the government wins and the people lose, again.”[/quote]
Perhaps for the dispensaries but, in legal states you can grow your own plants and you pay no taxes.
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Ending/fixing, however you want to say it, the drug war is one area where I agree with Pit, and likely the general consensus of the Contemporary American Liberal.
However, I do get hung up on one fairly significant issue:
For decades the government has made a good profit putting people in prison for the same plant you all are now voting for them to turn around and make a handsome profit regulating and selling to you.
All other factors aside, it just seems like another case of “whelp the government wins and the people lose, again.”[/quote]
Perhaps for the dispensaries but, in legal states you can grow your own plants and you pay no taxes.
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okay… But no one grows their own tobacco, really…
And I fully expect weed cigarettes to be pretty damn popular.
And I’m not saying that is a reason to keep it criminalized. I’m just really torn because of it.
Well maybe angry is a better word than torn.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Ending/fixing, however you want to say it, the drug war is one area where I agree with Pit, and likely the general consensus of the Contemporary American Liberal.
However, I do get hung up on one fairly significant issue:
For decades the government has made a good profit putting people in prison for the same plant you all are now voting for them to turn around and make a handsome profit regulating and selling to you.
All other factors aside, it just seems like another case of “whelp the government wins and the people lose, again.”[/quote]
Perhaps for the dispensaries but, in legal states you can grow your own plants and you pay no taxes.
[/quote]
okay… But no one grows their own tobacco, really…
And I fully expect weed cigarettes to be pretty damn popular. [/quote]
That is because Tobacco is a hassle. You need more area and it needs months to cure after you harvest (companies cure for years). Since, those who smoke tobacco do so more often than those who smoke weed you would need an even larger area to grow to keep a steady supply.
Though some may buy them I really do not think weed cigarettes will be that big of a draw. Most dispensaries sell pre-rolled and few people buy them.
That said I do not expect people to suddenly start growing for a few reasons look at Colorado.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Ending/fixing, however you want to say it, the drug war is one area where I agree with Pit, and likely the general consensus of the Contemporary American Liberal.
However, I do get hung up on one fairly significant issue:
For decades the government has made a good profit putting people in prison for the same plant you all are now voting for them to turn around and make a handsome profit regulating and selling to you.
All other factors aside, it just seems like another case of “whelp the government wins and the people lose, again.”[/quote]
Perhaps for the dispensaries but, in legal states you can grow your own plants and you pay no taxes.
[/quote]
okay… But no one grows their own tobacco, really…
And I fully expect weed cigarettes to be pretty damn popular. [/quote]
They all ready are pretty damn popular
http://www.mpp.org/outreach/top-50-marijuana-users-list.html?page=1
This is one area I feel Obama is a hypocrite . There are many that smoke pot and you would never know
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
That is because Tobacco is a hassle. You need more area and it needs months to cure after you harvest (companies cure for years).[/quote]
Did not know this. Good point, lol.
[quote] Since, those who smoke tobacco do so more often than those who smoke weed you would need an even larger area to grow to keep a steady supply.
Though some may buy them I really do not think weed cigarettes will be that big of a draw. Most dispensaries sell pre-rolled and few people buy them.
[/quote]
Also fair point, I forgot people like pipes, etc…
I guess I assume weed will go the way of tobacco. Pipes will go out of fashion and everyone will just have their packs rolled up in their sleeves with their hair slicked back, lol.
Columbia University researchers performing a toxicology examination of nearly 24,000 driving fatalities concluded that marijuana contributed to 12% of traffic deaths in 2010, tripled from a decade earlier…
Colorado has seen a spike in driving fatalities in which marijuana alone was involved, according to Insurance.com. The trend started in 2009 - the year medical marijuana dispensaries were effectively legalized at the state level…
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Columbia University researchers performing a toxicology examination of nearly 24,000 driving fatalities concluded that marijuana contributed to 12% of traffic deaths in 2010, tripled from a decade earlier…
Colorado has seen a spike in driving fatalities in which marijuana alone was involved, according to Insurance.com. The trend started in 2009 - the year medical marijuana dispensaries were effectively legalized at the state level…
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/06/09/marijuana-accidents/10219119/[/quote]
Marijuana stays in you system for quite some time it does not mean it is the cause of the accident. If alcohol stayed in your system for as long as marijuana than almost all traffic accidents would be caused by alcohol.
Colorados fatal crashes have been going down since 2009.
2013-431
2014-149
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Columbia University researchers performing a toxicology examination of nearly 24,000 driving fatalities concluded that marijuana contributed to 12% of traffic deaths in 2010, tripled from a decade earlier…
Colorado has seen a spike in driving fatalities in which marijuana alone was involved, according to Insurance.com. The trend started in 2009 - the year medical marijuana dispensaries were effectively legalized at the state level…
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/06/09/marijuana-accidents/10219119/[/quote]
Marijuana stays in you system for quite some time it does not mean it is the cause of the accident. If alcohol stayed in your system for as long as marijuana than almost all traffic accidents would be caused by alcohol.
Colorados fatal crashes have been going down since 2009.
2013-431
2014-149[/quote]
Well I’m not really interested enough to investigate the matter, however at the very least these stats show that marijuana consumption has increased - in spite of the claims from potheads that legalisation won’t cause an increase in consumption.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Columbia University researchers performing a toxicology examination of nearly 24,000 driving fatalities concluded that marijuana contributed to 12% of traffic deaths in 2010, tripled from a decade earlier…
Colorado has seen a spike in driving fatalities in which marijuana alone was involved, according to Insurance.com. The trend started in 2009 - the year medical marijuana dispensaries were effectively legalized at the state level…
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/06/09/marijuana-accidents/10219119/[/quote]
while being an area that needs to be addressed at least it seems like something that can be won over by education , a whip and a carrot approach .
I can tell you smoking pot and driving has been happening since the early 70s , at least and I will bet since it has been around 
The whole approach of making a substance that has less negative effect than sugar illegal and jailing people for consumption and distribution is stupidity
[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Columbia University researchers performing a toxicology examination of nearly 24,000 driving fatalities concluded that marijuana contributed to 12% of traffic deaths in 2010, tripled from a decade earlier…
Colorado has seen a spike in driving fatalities in which marijuana alone was involved, according to Insurance.com. The trend started in 2009 - the year medical marijuana dispensaries were effectively legalized at the state level…
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/06/09/marijuana-accidents/10219119/[/quote]
Marijuana stays in you system for quite some time it does not mean it is the cause of the accident. If alcohol stayed in your system for as long as marijuana than almost all traffic accidents would be caused by alcohol.
Colorados fatal crashes have been going down since 2009.
2013-431
2014-149[/quote]
I do think they should know that , but with the political climate being that we do not want to cut our funding to private prisons they may be guilty of creating disinfo. Some one should find out and since The Prudish one posted it I nominate him to find out how they tested the cases
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Columbia University researchers performing a toxicology examination of nearly 24,000 driving fatalities concluded that marijuana contributed to 12% of traffic deaths in 2010, tripled from a decade earlier…
Colorado has seen a spike in driving fatalities in which marijuana alone was involved, according to Insurance.com. The trend started in 2009 - the year medical marijuana dispensaries were effectively legalized at the state level…
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2014/06/09/marijuana-accidents/10219119/[/quote]
while being an area that needs to be addressed at least it seems like something that can be won over by education , a whip and a carrot approach .
I can tell you smoking pot and driving has been happening since the early 70s , at least and I will bet since it has been around
The whole approach of making a substance that has less negative effect than sugar illegal and jailing people for consumption and distribution is stupidity
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You’re a halfwit. Sugar is essential for sustaining life. Marijuana is a dangerous psychoactive drug that can cause cancer, mental illness and brain damage.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
You’re a halfwit. Sugar is essential for sustaining life. Marijuana is a dangerous psychoactive drug that can cause cancer, mental illness and brain damage.
[/quote]
Oxygen is more essential , but you can hyper ventilate , so is water , but you can drown in it .
PROOF PLEASE that Pot is dangerous , PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
You’re a halfwit. Sugar is essential for sustaining life. Marijuana is a dangerous psychoactive drug that can cause cancer, mental illness and brain damage.
[/quote]
Oxygen is more essential , but you can hyper ventilate , so is water , but you can drown in it .
PROOF PLEASE that Pot is dangerous , PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE[/quote]
Proof? Take an IQ test. There’s your proof.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
You’re a halfwit. Sugar is essential for sustaining life. Marijuana is a dangerous psychoactive drug that can cause cancer, mental illness and brain damage.
[/quote]
Oxygen is more essential , but you can hyper ventilate , so is water , but you can drown in it .
PROOF PLEASE that Pot is dangerous , PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE[/quote]
Proof? Take an IQ test. There’s your proof.
[/quote]
Standard operating procedure.
Marijuana is non toxic , in what sense do you consider it dangerous
Walk in to any crowd , mall football game where there are a lot of people .
I bet you can pick out the ones that are diabetic or prediabetic. Aong with diabetes comes high blood pressure and high blood fat
What are the negative effects of Marijuana that are costing us ^^^^ THIS^^^
much money or grief ?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
You’re a halfwit. Sugar is essential for sustaining life. Marijuana is a dangerous psychoactive drug that can cause cancer, mental illness and brain damage.
[/quote]
Oxygen is more essential , but you can hyper ventilate , so is water , but you can drown in it .
PROOF PLEASE that Pot is dangerous , PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE[/quote]
There is no form of smoke that is beneficial to the body.
Marijuana smoke contains a greater amount of carcinogens than tobacco smoke. In addition, marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, further increasing the lungs exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana use is not only associated with adverse physical effects, but also mental, emotional and behavioral changes.
People who smoke marijuana frequently, but do not smoke tobacco, have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers. Many of these extra sick days are due to respiratory illnesses.
Patients considering using marijuana for medicinal purposes should make this decision in consultation with their doctor, and consider means of administration other than smoking.