I don’t care how many quotes you put on it, it still doesn’t qualify as a quotation in this case…
[quote]They both want 100’s of millions of $$$ to be paid to people who didn’t earn it = getting paid for not having to work.
How is that a lie?[/quote]
Why don’t you come up with a quote that shows that?
I mean, you could be right, but I’ll believe it when you quote the people you’ve named, not someone elses outraged interpretation of what they’ve said.
Be sure not to quote out of context while you are at it!
[quote]jackzepplin wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
BrwnbellyYankee wrote:
rev peterson is a joke
he can point out the flaws in the black community,but does nothing to fix them. all he does is sit back and find reasons to hate on the black leaders that are trying to do something. this dude is a clown
Bullshit. http://www.bondinfo.org/about/mission/mission.htm
He’s one of the few that’s actually trying to make a difference. Compare him to black “leaders” like Jackson & Farakhan who preach how the white man owes blacks, & they shouldn’t have to work.
Peterson seems like he truly “understands”. A wonderful leader.
http://www.bondinfo.org/activism/naacp_boycott/naacp.htm[/quote]
I read fully the messages on that entire website and to me, he is another black man who is catering to the conservative white agenda a la Armstrong Williams, Alan Keyes, J.C. Watts, etc. Another self-hating, self-serving black man that points out all of the problems in the black community, offers ZERO solutions and, by the way, “send me money to continue my message and buy my book”. Another opportunist trying to cash in on the current environment of neoconservatism in this country.
When groups of white conservative males agree with your message about how to “fix” your own community it usually means that you are connecting more with the white conservative males than with your own community.
The sheer arrogance that I have encountered from conservative white males on how to “fix” the black community is amazing. And when you find that one black person that caters to your beliefs, you hold them up and say, “See, some black people agree with me!”. Even though many of these blacks have issues with their own identity or have personal agendas that have nothing to do with helping the black community. And, yes, before you say it, I am well aware that it works both ways. I am not a big fan of many people that have made themselves spokespersons for the black community for that very reason.
How can you all even begin to offer your opinion on things you know absolutely nothing about? I don’t care if you lived in the ghetto for a while. I don’t care if you have a black friend. If you are not of the black community, your opinions are of an outsider looking in and are not going to hold much water.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Notice the quotation marks?
I don’t care how many quotes you put on it, it still doesn’t qualify as a quotation in this case…[/quote]
Enough said. Thanks for addressing this, vroom.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Notice the quotation marks?
I don’t care how many quotes you put on it, it still doesn’t qualify as a quotation in this case…[/quote]
Conceded. I thought ALDurr’s reply was absurd & was trying to point it out by being absurd. I guess it didn’t work
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
One word Prof. “Reparations”
Do you even understand what any of them have said or even listened to a speech espcecially by Farakhan? I don’t personally agree with everything the man says, but he is in no way associated with believing blacks don’t have to work. You lied. Why lie?
They both want 100’s of millions of $$$ to be paid to people who didn’t earn it = getting paid for not having to work.
How is that a lie?
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So, I guess that the Japanese that were held in camps during WWII worked for their reparations? Reparations are not for paying people that didn’t work. They are an apology for all of the atrocities that were inflicted upon them by a government institution. Unless you think that slavery, Jim Crow separate but equal laws, public lynchings, police abuse, attempted genocide, racists employment practices and virtually no protection under the law are not atrocities. So, in essence, blacks in this country wouldn’t work for it, but we sure as hell earned it. The only other group that deserves it more are Native Americans.
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
vroom wrote:
Notice the quotation marks?
I don’t care how many quotes you put on it, it still doesn’t qualify as a quotation in this case…
Conceded. I thought ALDurr’s reply was absurd & was trying to point it out by being absurd. I guess it didn’t work
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No more absurd than using a buzzword to prove your point. If you had given an actual quote, I wouldn’t have said a word about it. It gets tiresome to see these type of responses when you obviously had nothing to offer.
[quote]vroom wrote:
They both want 100’s of millions of $$$ to be paid to people who didn’t earn it = getting paid for not having to work.
How is that a lie?
Why don’t you come up with a quote that shows that?
I mean, you could be right, but I’ll believe it when you quote the people you’ve named, not someone elses outraged interpretation of what they’ve said.
Be sure not to quote out of context while you are at it![/quote]
I believe, once again vroom summed up my point for me. Give a quote and most people will listen. Give a smart ass remark, and that is what you get back. Thanks again!
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
How can you all even begin to offer your opinion on things you know absolutely nothing about? I don’t care if you lived in the ghetto for a while. I don’t care if you have a black friend. If you are not of the black community, your opinions are of an outsider looking in and are not going to hold much water.[/quote]
Ignoring the extreme logical holes in the above, emotionally charged, statement (i.e. - “You can’t understand me or my situation because you’re not exactly like me” - This presupposes the inability to think or comprehend right from wrong on the part of the “outsider”); I will freely and willingly walk down your logical “rabbit trail” and ask you the $64k question - “How do you make things right?” (And most importantly) “What is your definition of right?”
Please understand, I ask this in ernest; “What would you do to make things right?”
MIKE
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
SWR-1222D wrote:
This is one of the most racist statements I’ve read in a loooong time.
“If you’re black and a hurricane is about to destroy your city, then you’ll probably wait for the government to save you.”
I stopped reading shortly after that.
You’re attitude is what’s wrong with “race relations” Instead of labelling him a racist, why don’t you point out how he is wrong? I think his opinion is 100% correct. I also think that if a similar situation would have happened in many all white welfare dependant areas of the country, the results would have been the same. The issue isn’t the color of their skin, it’s their dependance on hand-outs. IMO, “black” culture does have a number of problems. Look at some of the lyrics of rappers that are idolized in the inner city. How can a culture (race aside) succeed when ideals such as rape, murder, drug abuse, and violent crime are held in high regard?
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Well, I’m a little behind on this thread, but I did point out how he was wrong. I quoted the one statement that I believe is a racist remark.
I lost respect for the author after that, and didn’t feel the need to continue reading, and if I did continue, I wouldn’t be reading the rest with an open mind. I already formed a judgment on the author and my opinion about the rest of the article would have been persuaded by my perception of his ignorance.
I didn’t say I was open minded, I’m just saying he is close minded.
Yes, I guess I’m also making myself a hypocrite, but that doesn’t make what he said any better.
I didn’t say the whole article was racist, just the one comment that I quoted was. I do (and did) admit that there could have been some good points in the article, but didn’t care for the man’s opinion after reading his racist comment.
Maybe my creatine example wasn’t very good, so I’ll try another.
If I were to write an article about fitness opening about how there is little to not benefit to doing squats or deadlifts of any kind, then go on in the rest of the article saying that there are better ways to do cardio than at a long slow pace, the second (true) statement doesn’t negate the first (ridiculous) statement.
I would also risk losing the resspect of my readers by making that first statement, and they may not read the rest of what I have to say, no matter how good the following information is.
[quote]vroom wrote:
They both want 100’s of millions of $$$ to be paid to people who didn’t earn it = getting paid for not having to work.
How is that a lie?
Why don’t you come up with a quote that shows that?
I mean, you could be right, but I’ll believe it when you quote the people you’ve named, not someone elses outraged interpretation of what they’ve said.
Be sure not to quote out of context while you are at it![/quote]
Farakhan: “The United States of America has an even more tremendous burden, Min. Farrakhan said. Estimates of the cost to ?repair the damage (reparations)? done to Blacks by America range as high as $9 trillion.”
So that you won’t think I’m taking it out of context: http://www.amren.com/news/news04/03/12/noiconyers.html
Jackson: http://www.pww.org/past-weeks-2001/Jackson%20says%20reparations%20a%20priority.htm
Ok, I’ll gladely pay reparations to all of my former slaves, or the families of anyone I lynched or disciminated against.
Poverty has the habit of bringing along a group of good friends; like lack of hope, shortsightedness, abuse in its various forms and selfishness. It’s not news. Poverty is the biggest social problem in the world. Luckily there seems to be a remedy: Hey, all you poor people, straighten up and take control of your lifes. Drive your poverty away.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
How can you all even begin to offer your opinion on things you know absolutely nothing about? I don’t care if you lived in the ghetto for a while. I don’t care if you have a black friend. If you are not of the black community, your opinions are of an outsider looking in and are not going to hold much water.[/quote]
Oh, well then, piss off. Your attitude will continue to divide. Perhaps I don’t need to have the experience of living in the ghetto or being “black”? How about I just continue to be a success and be an “example”. Your logic is all jacked up.
[quote]reddog6376 wrote:
Ok, I’ll gladely pay reparations to all of my former slaves, or the families of anyone I lynched or disciminated against.[/quote]
For the record, I am not saying that paying reparations is the right thing to do. I am not for reparations. Too many issues associated with it and too many chances for the government to f#ck it up royally. All I am saying is that it has been done before and it wasn’t considered “paying people for not working”. I just want to know how come when it comes to african-americans that it is all of a sudden “paying people for not working”?
This is what I was talking about when I mention how black people in this country are perceived. Black people are “trying to get money for not working”, but Japanese people are “being compensated for the atrocities that they faced from the government”.
For the record reddog, I noted the sarcasm in the statement and it was a fair attempt at humor. I give it about a 6 only because of your misunderstanding of who is supposed to “pay”. The reparation movement is not about you personally paying for anything. It is about the government acknowledging their role in the mess that blacks are in today. Some people view that as getting a payday, and this is where it gets stupid.
Cool…
Now, what part of that equates to paying people not to work? Does that come later? What is meant by “repairing the damage”? What in particular does Min Farrakhan say he means by that language?
Damn, way to prove his point!
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
reddog6376 wrote:
Ok, I’ll gladely pay reparations to all of my former slaves, or the families of anyone I lynched or disciminated against.
For the record, I am not saying that paying reparations is the right thing to do. I am not for reparations. Too many issues associated with it and too many chances for the government to f#ck it up royally. All I am saying is that it has been done before and it wasn’t considered “paying people for not working”. I just want to know how come when it comes to african-americans that it is all of a sudden “paying people for not working”? [/quote]
The gov’t paid the actual people that were in internment camps. Not too many actual former slaves around. Paying people who were not slaves is just another handout. Besides, IMO reparations were already paid. The little thing called the Civil War. [quote]
This is what I was talking about when I mention how black people in this country are perceived. Black people are “trying to get money for not working”, but Japanese people are “being compensated for the atrocities that they faced from the government”.
For the record reddog, I noted the sarcasm in the statement and it was a fair attempt at humor. I give it about a 6 only because of your misunderstanding of who is supposed to “pay”. The reparation movement is not about you personally paying for anything. It is about the government acknowledging their role in the mess that blacks are in today. Some people view that as getting a payday, and this is where it gets stupid.[/quote]
And where exactly does the gov’t get its money? Taxes. Which means, I’d PERSONALLY have to pay reparations to someone who is generations removed from slavery.
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
For the record, I am not saying that paying reparations is the right thing to do. I am not for reparations. Too many issues associated with it and too many chances for the government to f#ck it up royally. All I am saying is that it has been done before and it wasn’t considered “paying people for not working”. I just want to know how come when it comes to african-americans that it is all of a sudden “paying people for not working”?
This is what I was talking about when I mention how black people in this country are perceived. Black people are “trying to get money for not working”, but Japanese people are “being compensated for the atrocities that they faced from the government”.
For the record reddog, I noted the sarcasm in the statement and it was a fair attempt at humor. I give it about a 6 only because of your misunderstanding of who is supposed to “pay”. The reparation movement is not about you personally paying for anything. It is about the government acknowledging their role in the mess that blacks are in today. Some people view that as getting a payday, and this is where it gets stupid.[/quote]
ALDurr, I then resubmit my questions for you to address / answer:
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What would you do to “make things right?”
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What is your definintion of “making things right?”
You broached this subject, you must have an answer…
[quote]vroom wrote:
Oh, well then, piss off. Your attitude will continue to divide. Perhaps I don’t need to have the experience of living in the ghetto or being “black”? How about I just continue to be a success and be an “example”. Your logic is all jacked up.
Damn, way to prove his point![/quote]
That was the point. In responding the way I did, it points out the absurdity of his response. See how that worked out?