[quote]doogie wrote:
I don’t think SlimJim is a biblical scholar.[/quote]
Is it that obvious 
[quote]slimjim wrote:
Did you hear God say this or did you read it in a book containing the collective works of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of men passed down over the past few thousand years? [/quote]
Just couldn’t let this one go. There are 66 books in the Bible written by many men, but not even close to “hundreds or thousands” you suggest.
Also, having had cross referenced the original Hebrew and Greek versions that were written 2000 years ago (New Testament) I can tell you that the various interpretations are quite accurate, some more than others, but all darn good.
This is the one argument from those who are not familiar with the Bible fall back on. The book is so large and encompasses so much that they assume you can pick and choose, meaning that the Bible contradicts itself and you can be on one side of an argument one day relying on scripture. And then the next day take another piece of scripture and argue the other side.
This is not the case if those quoting would do so with in context.
Actually, I have never seen a contradiction in the Bible. Oh I know many say that they are there, but when pushed they really can’t find them. I have debunked some who thought that they found them and I am certainly no Bible scholar.
Okay this was a bit off track, but ole’ slim has been playing fast and loose with the facts here and there lately…
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The only thing that I give him credit for…is not hiding it behind subtle overtones of “I have friends that are black” in the same paragraph as “I tell black people to behave”. [/quote]
How is that hiding it behind any subtle overtones? So what does a white person say when they have a genuine black friend and a discussion like this comes up?
Why is it subtle racism if i say i have a black friend? Would it be less racist if color was never monetioned and just ignored? Because in my opinion the end of racism will not happen of we try and treat everyone the same way and pretend everyone is alike, a true end to this dark part of our human history will happen when we embrace our differences, appreciate our differences, or quirks, our different senses of humor. The day we relish in the fact that we’re different and make it work like cogs in a machine, where everyone is different but it’s the differences combined that make the whole machine work smoothly.
So i chose to not ignore racial differences, Some races do seem to have a knack for being better at thigs then other races and in the end if everyone works together and pitches in we can make a great team.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The only thing that I give him credit for…is not hiding it behind subtle overtones of “I have friends that are black” in the same paragraph as “I tell black people to behave”.
How is that hiding it behind any subtle overtones? So what does a white person say when they have a genuine black friend and a discussion like this comes up? [/quote]
A discussion that includes, “I tell black people to behave”? Any “discussion” between me and anyone else where that came up would end the “discussion” and a debate or argument would soon follow.
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Why is it subtle racism if i say i have a black friend? Would it be less racist if color was never monetioned and just ignored? [/quote]
You can’t be this dense. No one gives a shit about anyone saying they have a friend of any color. When they follow that with “I tell black people to behave” as if they are now over certain people, that is where the problem is. The simple fact that this even had to be explained at all is what is amazing to me. How could you be that clueless?
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Because in my opinion the end of racism will not happen of we try and treat everyone the same way and pretend everyone is alike, a true end to this dark part of our human history will happen when we embrace our differences, appreciate our differences, or quirks, our different senses of humor. The day we relish in the fact that we’re different and make it work like cogs in a machine, where everyone is different but it’s the differences combined that make the whole machine work smoothly. [/quote]
Different and references to how certain people need you to tell them to behave are on two completely different levels, Mr. King.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Gregus wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The only thing that I give him credit for…is not hiding it behind subtle overtones of “I have friends that are black” in the same paragraph as “I tell black people to behave”.
How is that hiding it behind any subtle overtones? So what does a white person say when they have a genuine black friend and a discussion like this comes up?
A discussion that includes, “I tell black people to behave”? Any “discussion” between me and anyone else where that came up would end the “discussion” and a debate or argument would soon follow.
Why is it subtle racism if i say i have a black friend? Would it be less racist if color was never monetioned and just ignored?
You can’t be this dense. No one gives a shit about anyone saying they have a friend of any color. When they follow that with “I tell black people to behave” as if they are now over certain people, that is where the problem is. The simple fact that this even had to be explained at all is what is amazing to me. How could you be that clueless?
Because in my opinion the end of racism will not happen of we try and treat everyone the same way and pretend everyone is alike, a true end to this dark part of our human history will happen when we embrace our differences, appreciate our differences, or quirks, our different senses of humor. The day we relish in the fact that we’re different and make it work like cogs in a machine, where everyone is different but it’s the differences combined that make the whole machine work smoothly.
Different and references to how certain people need you to tell them to behave are on two completely different levels, Mr. King.[/quote]
We were then talking about two different issues and calling me dense is uncalled for. I’m not a stupid person.
[quote]doogie wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
a bunch of drivel
I’ve been all over the country, and I’ve seen prejudice everywhere I lived. FAR AND AWAY, the worst was in the southern Illinois/Indianna area, with New Jersey being right there with them.
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This is kind of funny. I just posted in another thread that NJ is the last place I would live, but Southern IL is pretty horrible too.
Instead of intelligent discussion of the issues and how poverty can be reduced (it will never be eliminated), this has been turned into a race thing.
As long as this keeps happening there will be no resolution or path forward.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Instead of intelligent discussion of the issues and how poverty can be reduced (it will never be eliminated), this has been turned into a race thing.
As long as this keeps happening there will be no resolution or path forward.
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I don’t think that there is any escaping the racial aspect of these issues.
There’s a 500 pound gorilla sitting on both sides of the table, and to ignore them is failure to achieve a real answer.
haha, this is getting better by the minute. i would tell anybody who jumps up and acts a fool during a civilized conversation to sit down and behave, so would anybody. the point i am making is that when the “angry black man” does this, he often gets a pass, either intimidated whites or sympathetic liberals. i am neither.
as i said, i do not respect any body’s “blackness”, any more than i would expect anybody else to respect my Spanish heritage. i will respect a person for who he or she is and how they present themselves but not on what race they happen to belong to. i can give specific examples if you wish, but i am sure that would just enrage you more.
[quote]heavythrower wrote:
haha, this is getting better by the minute. i would tell anybody who jumps up and acts a fool during a civilized conversation to sit down and behave, so would anybody. the point i am making is that when the “angry black man” does this, he often gets a pass, either intimidated whites or sympathetic liberals. i am neither.
as i said, i do not respect any body’s “blackness”, any more than i would expect anybody else to respect my Spanish heritage. i will respect a person for who he or she is and how they present themselves but not on what race they happen to belong to. i can give specific examples if you wish, but i am sure that would just enrage you more. [/quote]
I personally would tell anyone of any heritage who thought they could tell me to sit down and behave to go fuck themselves and gain a clue. I am wondering where you are that this is a regular occurance for you and who these people are that allow you tell them to behave and actually listen. The last time someone told me to “behave”, the words were coming from my father’s mouth. Who are you, or rather, who do you think you are?
All this Jersey bashing brings a tear to my eye, you jersey bigots, you.
BTW, I’m in South Jersey, the less crappy half.
[quote]slimjim wrote:
IagoMB wrote:
slimjim wrote:
A God With Whom I am Not Familiar
A God With Whom I am Not Familiar
by Tim Wise
September 06, 2005
Perhaps the author is more familar with the God that said:
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Did you hear God say this or did you read it in a book containing the collective works of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of men passed down over the past few thousand years? Sorry, but quoting one piece of scripture that happens to justify your own stance will not win this argument, there are limitless passages that could be construed however happens to fit your fancy that day, and I am no theologist.[/quote]
Irrelevant. The author of the article is upset with the others because they do not care about the tragedy in the same way he does. He is getting angry at them because they do not have the same experiences that he does. Well he doesn’t have their experiences as well. Both sides should walk a mile in the other’s shoes (I don’t think that’s Bible, but it is one of Elvis’ favorite sayings). I do like the way the people he’s critiquing are enjoying their food, while his family has to choke their meal down.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Instead of intelligent discussion of the issues and how poverty can be reduced (it will never be eliminated), this has been turned into a race thing.
As long as this keeps happening there will be no resolution or path forward.
I don’t think that there is any escaping the racial aspect of these issues.
There’s a 500 pound gorilla sitting on both sides of the table, and to ignore them is failure to achieve a real answer.
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I only partly agree. I think the issue is societal. Race is incidental.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
heavythrower wrote:
haha, this is getting better by the minute. i would tell anybody who jumps up and acts a fool during a civilized conversation to sit down and behave, so would anybody. the point i am making is that when the “angry black man” does this, he often gets a pass, either intimidated whites or sympathetic liberals. i am neither.
as i said, i do not respect any body’s “blackness”, any more than i would expect anybody else to respect my Spanish heritage. i will respect a person for who he or she is and how they present themselves but not on what race they happen to belong to. i can give specific examples if you wish, but i am sure that would just enrage you more.
I personally would tell anyone of any heritage who thought they could tell me to sit down and behave to go fuck themselves and gain a clue.[/quote]
You see the Prof is a very big tough guy and no one tells the Prof to sit down and shut up even when he’s wrong…(yawn).
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I am wondering where you are that this is a regular occurance for you and who these people are that allow you tell them to behave and actually listen. The last time someone told me to “behave”, the words were coming from my father’s mouth. Who are you, or rather, who do you think you are?[/quote]
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
All this Jersey bashing brings a tear to my eye, you jersey bigots, you.
BTW, I’m in South Jersey, the less crappy half.[/quote]
It truly is less crappy than Northern NJ.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
We were then talking about two different issues and calling me dense is uncalled for. I’m not a stupid person.
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Gregus,
Don’t be offended that’s how the Prof behaves towards everyone who does not agree with him. It’s called being an Internet bully. Nothing new here…
Zeb, behave!
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
I only partly agree. I think the issue is societal. Race is incidental.[/quote]
I disagree. You can’t solve a societal problem without looking at the race. It’s there. To ignore it, or dismiss is to achieve a half-assed solution.
On the other hand, to say that this societal problem is all about race will achieve the same type of half-assed solution.
[quote]Gregus wrote:
Well SlimJim made the professor feel better. He exposed a view that the Prof shares and believes in. Thats good, good boy.[/quote]
You and rainjack. Word!
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Screw you, the south, and racists everywhere. The prof. never defended me…and I don’t care that you are a racist. I said in the first post, if you’re gonna hate, HATE OUTLOUD. I’m disgusted by the secrecy of the racism more than anything else. I don’t like most (99.8%) of southerners.
You can call me bigoted, racist, homo, ginzo, angry black man, rebel scum, nerf herder, whatever you like.
Just stop pretending that there is no racism down south. Listen, I really love you guys…I think you should have your own country, take Bush, have a ball.
Love,
IL Cazzo, angry black man[/quote]
Ouch. Hey man, I’m a southern male of Italian decent. Why do you hate me?