The man has some valid things to say, but I don’t see why it is “immoral” to wait for the gov to bail you out?
It is just a dependant mentality that our society has developed. From a systems perspective, we have expected very little from the black race in the USA and that, from a statistical perspectuve, is what we have received back. Given the same incentives, disincentives, unstable family, lack of positive peer support, etc. most of us would end up the same way no matter what our skin color.
The man has some valid things to say, but I don’t see why it is “immoral” to wait for the gov to bail you out?
It is just a dependant mentality that our society has developed. From a systems perspective, we have expected very little from the black race in the USA and that, from a statistical perspectuve, is what we have received back. Given the same incentives, disincentives, unstable family, lack of positive peer support, etc. most of us would end up the same way no matter what our skin color.
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Very well said!
The question then becomes, how do you turn it around?
[quote]BIGRAGOO wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
Screw you, the south, and racists everywhere. The prof. never defended me…and I don’t care that you are a racist. I said in the first post, if you’re gonna hate, HATE OUTLOUD. I’m disgusted by the secrecy of the racism more than anything else. I don’t like most (99.8%) of southerners.
You can call me bigoted, racist, homo, ginzo, angry black man, rebel scum, nerf herder, whatever you like.
Just stop pretending that there is no racism down south. Listen, I really love you guys…I think you should have your own country, take Bush, have a ball.
Love,
IL Cazzo, angry black man
Ouch. Hey man, I’m a southern male of Italian decent. Why do you hate me?[/quote]
yes he is, REALLY. 260lbs and solid from what i can tell. and though this little internet pissing match has got a little ugly, i actually have a lot of respect for the prof and i mostly lurk on this site now, and in a lot of his posts (especially where training and life philosophy is concerned) i agree with a lot of what he has to say.
but here we part our ways so to speak.
BTW, i am 5’7" and around 250lbs, and fairly solid myself. not very tough though, i cried when i watched “Sam I Am” with Dakota Fanning and Sean Penn, more than once!!!
The man has some valid things to say, but I don’t see why it is “immoral” to wait for the gov to bail you out?
It is just a dependant mentality that our society has developed. From a systems perspective, we have expected very little from the black race in the USA and that, from a statistical perspectuve, is what we have received back. Given the same incentives, disincentives, unstable family, lack of positive peer support, etc. most of us would end up the same way no matter what our skin color.
Very well said!
The question then becomes, how do you turn it around?
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Well, that is a very difficult process as we have conditioned these people to be this way and it will take time to reverse that. So the process would involve slowing reducing what the Gov gives and increase job training, mentor programs, etc at the same time. So replace the “handout” with usable skills and knowledge.
The problem is that having groups of people that “need” something is a politicians dream. So both sides of the isle tend to want to keep these people where they are. So we would also have to keep the media out of this because they tend to make the problem worse by exploiting the few to get support for their agenda.
Irrelevant. The author of the article is upset with the others because they do not care about the tragedy in the same way he does. He is getting angry at them because they do not have the same experiences that he does. Well he doesn’t have their experiences as well. Both sides should walk a mile in the other’s shoes (I don’t think that’s Bible, but it is one of Elvis’ favorite sayings). I do like the way the people he’s critiquing are enjoying their food, while his family has to choke their meal down. [/quote]
He is not angry at them for not caring about the trajedy, but rather the way they rationalize people’s responsibility. Comparing Katrina to 9-11 and the differences in people’s reaction, blaming their moral standing, similar to the topic of this thread.
This is for Zeb and everyone who mistook what I was saying in response(Anyone else picture Zeb as having a long white beard?)
I was not saying the Bible is contradictory, but when you take it piecemeal instead of as a whole, you can pick and choose the passages you want to cite, excluding those that go against your point. While the ideals promoted are not ambiguous, taking a couple lines out of many leaves them open to interpretation at the author/reader’s will.
Irrelevant. The author of the article is upset with the others because they do not care about the tragedy in the same way he does. He is getting angry at them because they do not have the same experiences that he does. Well he doesn’t have their experiences as well. Both sides should walk a mile in the other’s shoes (I don’t think that’s Bible, but it is one of Elvis’ favorite sayings). I do like the way the people he’s critiquing are enjoying their food, while his family has to choke their meal down.
He is not angry at them for not caring about the trajedy, but rather the way they rationalize people’s responsibility. Comparing Katrina to 9-11 and the differences in people’s reaction, blaming their moral standing, similar to the topic of this thread.
This is for Zeb and everyone who mistook what I was saying in response(Anyone else picture Zeb as having a long white beard?)
I was not saying the Bible is contradictory, but when you take it piecemeal instead of as a whole, you can pick and choose the passages you want to cite, excluding those that go against your point. While the ideals promoted are not ambiguous, taking a couple lines out of many leaves them open to interpretation at the author/reader’s will.[/quote]
That’s why I stated that they should not be taken out of context. Context can be quoted right along with the specific scripture.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
The question then becomes, how do you turn it around?[/quote]
Admirable, pursuit of an answer rather than an argument.
There is no solution to racism, it has been around for centuries. The victim will change but it will always exist in some form or another. Education is a constant, necessary tool to combat racist beliefs. Beyond that, an oppressor will never be able to right the wrongs that have been done or lead those that have been oppressed.
I believe the real solution lies within the black community. Respect, self-respect and achievement are learned and earned, not granted, distributed or repaid. What is needed is a collaboration of black leaders to endorse and spread a single message that empowers and cultivates a unified black community to succeed and excel. Obviously there is no one individual today that is capable of leading a nation or we would be in the midst of a movement.
Rather than wait for the next MLK why not join forces and bypass personal gain for the greater good, develop and teach the way to success, and spread the message with a conviction that inspires. Learning “the message” must be instilled as a value from a leader to the followers as well as from the elder generation to the younger. The hope and perseverance derived from faith alone is limitless. This is the part that is missing today.
