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Well, as I said, I don’t hate minorities because it would be quite stupid to hate someone because they were born a certian color.

BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT…

The southern whites i hate, again not all of them, choose to be racist, homophobic bible thumping idiots who destroy the english language.

Doesn’t make me a racist, makes me bigoted v. some whites in the south.

Yes, there are racists everywhere…but come on, you guys defending the south have to be kidding me. How many blacks are railroaded in the courts down there even to this day? Whatever, keep believing that the south is overflowing with love for everyone.

And, before anyone jumps on the bible-thumping reference, I don’t hate christians or jews or whoeverthefuck. It’s the blend of in your face vengful God will kill the fags combined with the “lets blame the blacks for everything” attitude I’m talkin about.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Professor X wrote:
You can’t possibly be serious. This man didn’t write anything like, “I tell rude people to shut up and they just happen to be black”. What are you smoking? You apologize for him but get mad because I don’t stand up and scream when someone writes, “I. DON’T. LIKE. MOST. SOUTHERNERS.”? He didn’t even say “all” southerners so why don’t you ask him why he hates the ones that he does?

No but what he did say was i don’t give black people a pass because they are black. Maybe I read more into it than you did. But based on your reply to him: You sound like some angry warden or as if all black people are less than you and under your control… - you sound as if you are offended that he didn’t see tblack the first rattle out of the box.

So if I say I hate most blacks, you’d be cool with that?

I think you’ve just shown your true colors, Prof. And it is sad to know that you accept racism against some while decrying it against you. That is extremely hypocritical.

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I think the man just explained his position quite well. You, on the other hand, made a very conscious effort to apologize for the words of someone else as if they were not offensive at all. Why would you speak for someone else? His words were plain as day but you felt the need to water them down? Further, what does, “you sound as if you are offended that he didn’t see tblack the first rattle out of the box” mean? The man sounded like a fool. I called him on it. Why defend him as if you know what he “meant”?

Don’t talk about “true colors” when your own are blazing in front of everyone.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I think the man just explained his position quite well. You, on the other hand, made a very conscious effort to apologize for the words of someone else as if they were not offensive at all. Why would you speak for someone else? His words were plain as day but you felt the need to water them down? Further, what does, “you sound as if you are offended that he didn’t see tblack the first rattle out of the box” mean? The man sounded like a fool. I called him on it. Why defend him as if you know what he “meant”?

Don’t talk about “true colors” when your own are blazing in front of everyone.[/quote]

You are wrong, and you just won;t admit it. Answer my question. If I said I hated most blacks - would you be offended?

Il Cazzo said he hated people he didn’t know. He said he hated most white southerners. But you can’t see anything wrong with that?

I didn’t see anything racist about what heavythrower said. He never said he hated anyone. He said he didn’t consider color when calling out an asshole (my paraphrase). You, on the other hand decide to make shit up and accuse things that weren’t even hinted at. But that is SOP when you get cornered.

You are a hypocrite.

Please - if my colors are showing as you accuse - tell me what they are.

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your post made absolutely no sense, and it is you who just showed who is the “jackass” it is so easy to push your buttons. you cant stand me, as much as you want to label me a racist, it just will not wash with anybody with any reasonable fair minded person. but you do anyway as when somebody says something you do not like you fall back on that old standby.

ha ha, deepest fear a black man is superior and in control of my income etc.? where the fuck did that come form , what an ignorant and form outer space post statement that was. you are really insecure and out there aren’t you?

as for the personal attacks, keep them coming it shows what your true character and that you cant handle anybody disagreeing with you. i am willing to be if we were having this discussion in person you would be ready to go to blows with me over this. also very typical.

i know i cant spell, try being raised by illiterate parents, having a learning disability, and still managing to earn 2 bachelors degrees, one in nursing and also attaining three national certifications, in advanced cardiac life support, critical care, and trauma. i went back and edited most of my spelling errors before i saw your utterly stupid post, but for some reason it did not go through until you had a chance to quote me.

this has turned out exactly as i thought it would.

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[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
The southern whites i hate, again not all of them, choose to be racist, homophobic bible thumping idiots who destroy the english language.

Doesn’t make me a racist, makes me bigoted v. some whites in the south.[/quote]

Which is it? Some or 99%

“No, that would be bigotry. Yes, I am a bigot v. 99% of whites in the south. You are one of them. I think most of the south, the white south I mean, is a disgrace. How is that different? Well, southern hillbillies choose to live like they do, while minorities were born with their skin color.”

That’s what you said originally. Now it is ‘some’ whites.

How many people do you think is acceptable to hate before being a racisit motherfucker? FYI - hating a race of people is what makes you a racist. You don’t get a pass because they are not a minority. Your rationalization of your hatred should be embarassment everyone that knows you.

You are the one making this shit up. I am not defending anyone that hates another person. It is wrong no matter where it occurs. You are living proof that racism is alive and well in Jersey. I don’t hate 99% of New Englanders because an asshole such as yourself decides to get on his self-righteous soapbox and tell me that he hates 99% of white southerners. You have zero credibility because of you overt hatred.

Have you ever even been to the south?

For the record. I am not defending the scum of the earth rat bastards that believe that blacks are second class citizens. But I refuse to let racist assholes like you paint an entire region as being that way.

Attitudes like yours and, evidently ProfX’s, will never be conducive to solving a problem that you are so balatantly a part of.

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rainjack, being from m the south east, i cannot speak for Texas, but cazzo has a point, as i travel for a living now and i perceive the south a much more racist area than others i have visited. my brother in law routinely gets pulled over by the police(probably because he drives a Mercedes m-class) for no fucking reason at all. i am not trying to sweep racism in the south under a rug, i just have a limit to how far i will accept that and being black as a an excuse to be an asshole.

i am desperately trying to convince my wife to move form the south, as my multiracial daughters will eventually have to face some things i really wish they would not have to. not that racism is not everywhere, and you DO NOT have to be white to be a racist, or just a bigoted jerk, but i think there are better places in this country to raise multiracial children.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
You are wrong, and you just won;t admit it. Answer my question. If I said I hated most blacks - would you be offended?[/quote]

Yes.

I never defended Il Cazzo. His comments based on hating most whites are just as bigoted. The only thing that I give him credit for…is not hiding it behind subtle overtones of “I have friends that are black” in the same paragraph as “I tell black people to behave”.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

Have you ever even been to the south?[/quote]

I have and there are MANY racist bastards in the south. How is he wrong for pointing that out?

[quote]
For the record. I am not defending the scum of the earth rat bastards that believe that blacks are second class citizens. But I refuse to let racist assholes like you paint an entire region as being that way.

Attitudes like yours and, evidently ProfX’s, will never be conducive to solving a problem that you are so balatantly a part of. [/quote]

Dude, the south has long been known for being “that way”. This isn’t new.

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My point is not that there are no racists in the south. Only an idiot would think that.

My point is that Cazzo, and now evidently ProfX, is a hater that has no problem announcing that he hates 99% of white southerners because he has prejudged them without knowing anything about them - or me for that matter. He bases his hatred on how the movie of the week portrays white southerners.

In other words he forms his opinions out of ignorance. It is the exact same thing as me saying that I hate 99% of all blacks because I’ve heard that they are a lazy ignorant buch of slobs.

Racism is color-blind. It can take on any color. It just depends on the owner. And it is wrong no matter the color.

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

this has turned out exactly as i thought it would. [/quote]

You’re a master of chess, aren’t you?

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

My point is that Cazzo, and now evidently ProfX, is a hater that has no problem announcing that he hates 99% of white southerners because he has prejudged them without knowing anything about them - or me for that matter. He bases his hatred on how the movie of the week portrays white southerners.

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Why do you have this need to put words in my mouth or even suggest that I agree with anyone else’s words? If you are so upset with Il Cazzo, let HIM know. Quit acting like I need to fight your battles for you or else it means I agree completely with your current enemy. You not only expect me to jump to your aid, but you defend my opponents. What the fuck is the problem today, Rainjack?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:

Have you ever even been to the south?

I have and there are MANY racist bastards in the south. How is he wrong for pointing that out?[/quote]

‘Many’ is a far cry from 99%. It is even a far cry of accusing me and my friends of being racist. That is what he said - that is what ticked me off.

[quote]Dude, the south has long been known for being “that way”. This isn’t new.
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I am not defending the racist bastards that live down here. The fact of the matter is that regardless of how much I oppose the stereotype that has been made of the white southerner, there is a history of institutional racism down here. My parents never went to school with a black kid. Not because there were no black kids - but because they went to the black school.

I went to school during the forced bussing heyday. Blacks were bussed to my jr. highschool because some freaking judge thought that blacks should be bussed to the white side of town to make race relations better.

That is what the South was like for years. I never had any say in any of it. Nor did my parents. Were they racist because they were forced to play what was dealt to them?

My mom used to teach bible clubs in the projects. I was always the only white kid in the classes. I didn’t see black, and they didn’t see white. We just played. We’d go pick some of the kids up on Sunday and take them to church with us. After church Mom would leave me at the projects to play football.

Does that give me any special insight to the pight of the black man? Probably no more than it gave those kids an insight to the white man.

My point is that we are less than 2 generations away from the state supported institutional racism that was a part of life. Things are not even close to the way they used to be. Without trying to sound defensive of those that still harbor the bigoted views of the past - the white southerner should be given a little credit for changing the face of the south so dramatically. Hopefully, time will create a distance between the old south and the new south.

But to say that 99% of us are hated because of one’s pre-judging us based on the bad reputation of a few is exactly the same thing as a white man eating a chimichanga calling all blacks thievs because a few blacks stole some TV’s.

None of this shit is conducive to an honest discussion if neither side is willing to take the blinders off and display some honesty about their own shortcomings.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Why do you have this need to put words in my mouth or even suggest that I agree with anyone else’s words? If you are so upset with Il Cazzo, let HIM know. Quit acting like I need to fight your battles for you or else it means I agree completely with your current enemy. You not only expect me to jump to your aid, but you defend my opponents. What the fuck is the problem today, Rainjack?[/quote]

I’m not now, nor have I ever asked anyone to fight my battles for me. I was merely inviting you to denounce the racism that is dripping off cazzo’s posts with the same fervor that you denounce racism directed at you.

I don’t need your aid - but if there is to be a true discussion about racism, there has to be honesty on both sides. You can’t denounce one type of racism and overlook another.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
heavythrower wrote:

this has turned out exactly as i thought it would.

You’re a master of chess, aren’t you?[/quote]

LOL

hey prof, i did not say “i have freinds that are black” i stated the FACT that half of my family is black, oh, and i did not think i was being subtle at all, i thought i was being pretty straight forward LOL

oh, and we are opponents now? thats rich, dont give yourself that much credit, as hard as i am trying, i cant seem to take any of this too seriously and get upset about it. i guess it is because i have heard it ALL before, over and over and over and over…

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exactly. the comments that cazzo made were by far more bigoted, outrageous and inflammatory than anything i said, but i get celled on it but he gets a pass due to the “angry black man defense” hahaha.

i have no problem admiting racism is prevalent and very institutionalized in this country, but i draw the line when black people use that as an excuse to be jerks.

the problem with conversations like this is that they often deteriorate into the knee jerk uncivil reactionary type statements the proff and i are spiting, which is typical of internet arguements/debate.

the proff will not see things the way i have as he has not lived my life and experienced the same things i have, and vice versa. now we could attempt to emphasize and try to understand the others point of view, but that would mean backing up or giving some ground on some core issues, and well, you know as well as i do that that is just out of the question, LOL

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I’m glad to get to use the "angry black man"defense but I’m italian, not black (feel free to insert Sicilians are part black jokes here).

Rainjack,
your posts bore me to tears but I did catch one mistake I made. I meant to say 99.8% rather than 99.9 or most. Feel better?

Here is something that even you can understand…Screw you, the south, and racists everywhere. The prof. never defended me…and I don’t care that you are a racist. I said in the first post, if you’re gonna hate, HATE OUTLOUD. I’m disgusted by the secrecy of the racism more than anything else. I don’t like most (99.8%) of southerners.
You can call me bigoted, racist, homo, ginzo, angry black man, rebel scum, nerf herder, whatever you like.

Just stop pretending that there is no racism down south. Listen, I really love you guys…I think you should have your own country, take Bush, have a ball.

Love,

IL Cazzo, angry black man

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BTW, nothing I said was directed at heavythrower, I didn’t even read his posts. I must have missed that whole little side fight.

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
A God With Whom I am Not Familiar

A God With Whom I am Not Familiar
by Tim Wise
September 06, 2005

[/quote]

Perhaps the author is more familar with the God that said:

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

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[quote]IagoMB wrote:
slimjim wrote:
A God With Whom I am Not Familiar

A God With Whom I am Not Familiar
by Tim Wise
September 06, 2005

Perhaps the author is more familar with the God that said:

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?[/quote]

Did you hear God say this or did you read it in a book containing the collective works of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of men passed down over the past few thousand years? Sorry, but quoting one piece of scripture that happens to justify your own stance will not win this argument, there are limitless passages that could be construed however happens to fit your fancy that day, and I am no theologist.

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
IagoMB wrote:
slimjim wrote:
A God With Whom I am Not Familiar

A God With Whom I am Not Familiar
by Tim Wise
September 06, 2005

Perhaps the author is more familar with the God that said:

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Did you hear God say this or did you read it in a book containing the collective works of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of men passed down over the past few thousand years? Sorry, but quoting one piece of scripture that happens to justify your own stance will not win this argument, there are limitless passages that could be construed however happens to fit your fancy that day, and I am no theologist.[/quote]

I don’t think SlimJim is a biblical scholar.