koffea ^ or Bambi ^
What specifically have they done? I’m just curious BTW.
Suing farmers for copyright infringement. No farmer in their right mind wants terminator seeds.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
koffea ^ or Bambi ^
What specifically have they done? I’m just curious BTW.[/quote]
Instead of focusing on the one hormone you posted earlier, perhaps you should heed thine own advice and do additional research into the company as well.
Here, I’ll help
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/whoOwnsLifeNotMonsanto.php
My favorite part in this first link is perhaps when the judge says this
"·It does not matter how a farmer, a forester, or a gardenerâ??s seed or plants become contaminated with GMOs; whether through cross pollination, pollen blowing in the wind, by bees, direct seed movement or seed transportation, the growers no longer own their seeds or plants under patent law, they becomes Monsantoâ??s property.
·The rate of GM contamination does not matter; whether itâ??s 1 percent, 2 percent, 10 percent, or more, the seeds and plants still belong to Monsanto.
·Itâ??s immaterial how the GM contamination occurs, or where it comes from."
These are just a couple of starting points. When done, I shall provide more.
By the way they are also trying to patent their new invention, the pig. Check that out too.
Oh and just a few “Public Servants” that were/are (let’s be honest) in the pockets of Monsanto
Public officials formerly employed by Monsanto
* Justice Clarence Thomas worked as an attorney for Monsanto in the 1970s. Thomas wrote the majority opinion in the 2001 Supreme Court decision J. E. M. Ag Supply, Inc. v. Pioneer Hi-Bred International, Inc.|J. E. M. AG SUPPLY, INC. V. PIONEER HI-BREDINTERNATIONAL, INC.[118] which found that "newly developed plant breeds are patentable under the general utility patent laws of the United States." This case benefitted all companies which profit from genetically modified crops, of which Monsanto is one of the largest.[24][119][120]
* Michael R. Taylor was an assistant to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) commissioner before he left to work for a law firm on gaining FDA approval of Monsantoâ??s artificial growth hormone in the 1980s. Taylor then became deputy commissioner of the FDA from 1991 to 1994.[24] Taylor was later re-appointed to the FDA in August 2009 by President Barack Obama.[121]
* Dr. Michael A. Friedman was a deputy commissioner of the FDA before he was hired as a senior vice president of Monsanto.[24]
* Linda J. Fisher was an assistant administrator at the United States Environmental Protection Agencyâ?? (EPA) before she was a vice president at Monsanto from 1995 - 2000. In 2001, Fisher became the deputy administrator of the EPA.[24]
* Former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was chairman and chief executive officer of G. D. Searle & Co., which Monsanto purchased in 1985. Rumsfeld personally made at least $12 million USD from the transaction.[24]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
koffea ^ or Bambi ^
What specifically have they done? I’m just curious BTW.[/quote]
a lot of different things really, but what has really irked the farmers here is how they have defacto through litigation made it illegal to harvest your own seeds for the following years production. This makes farmers reliant on seed companies for their lively hood.
this is basically how it works, farmer A has been using his own seeds for decades and harvests them at the end of the season. Farmer B who is in the adjacent field starts using monsanto seeds. The wind causes some cross pollination between the two fields. Farmer A then harvests his own seeds, and plants them the following year. Monsanto takes a large sample size and finds evidence that the genetic markers of their strain are in farmer A’s crop. They then sue the farmer, and they usually demand that he destroy his seed harvester thus making him utterly reliant on monsanto for the next years seeds.
even organic farmers, who under no circumstances would ever use or introduce their genetics to their fields, are not immune to their litigation wrath.
i am not anti-GMO by the way. I think the GMO’s is something we should be pursuing. I just find monsanto’s tactics to be disgusting.
[quote]patrickjones wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
koffea ^ or Bambi ^
What specifically have they done? I’m just curious BTW.[/quote]
Instead of focusing on the one hormone you posted earlier, perhaps you should heed thine own advice and do additional research into the company as well.
Here, I’ll help
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/whoOwnsLifeNotMonsanto.php
My favorite part in this first link is perhaps when the judge says this
"�·It does not matter how a farmer, a forester, or a gardenerâ??s seed or plants become contaminated with GMOs; whether through cross pollination, pollen blowing in the wind, by bees, direct seed movement or seed transportation, the growers no longer own their seeds or plants under patent law, they becomes Monsantoâ??s property.
�·The rate of GM contamination does not matter; whether itâ??s 1 percent, 2 percent, 10 percent, or more, the seeds and plants still belong to Monsanto.
�·Itâ??s immaterial how the GM contamination occurs, or where it comes from."
These are just a couple of starting points. When done, I shall provide more.
By the way they are also trying to patent their new invention, the pig. Check that out too.
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I think he was referring to what they have done that is dangerous as far as products. I’m pretty sure no one is questioning the fact that monsantos bussiness ethics are nonexistant, but they do make great products
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
I think he was referring to what they have done that is dangerous as far as products. I’m pretty sure no one is questioning the fact that monsantos bussiness ethics are nonexistant, but they do make great products
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Well, i did attend a lecture about GMO’s a while back in college, and they were talking about monsanto’s genetics and why you would not want them getting into the wild.
basically this lecturer stated that monsanto’s soybeans have less protein. On top of that, they have more trypsin inhibitors. Therefore they have less of the good stuff you want in soybeans (ie the protein), and then they make what protein they do have harder to absorb.
i have not personally verified this at all. It was also some time ago and monsanto’s genetics may have improved since then. It appears that monsanto’s products seem to be aggressive growers and immune to roundup.
[quote]koffea wrote:
[quote]relentless2120 wrote:
I think he was referring to what they have done that is dangerous as far as products. I’m pretty sure no one is questioning the fact that monsantos bussiness ethics are nonexistant, but they do make great products
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Well, i did attend a lecture about GMO’s a while back in college, and they were talking about monsanto’s genetics and why you would not want them getting into the wild.
basically this lecturer stated that monsanto’s soybeans have less protein. On top of that, they have more trypsin inhibitors. Therefore they have less of the good stuff you want in soybeans (ie the protein), and then they make what protein they do have harder to absorb.
i have not personally verified this at all. It was also some time ago and monsanto’s genetics may have improved since then. It appears that monsanto’s products seem to be aggressive growers and immune to roundup.
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Perhaps, but one thing that has also improved is those very weeds or other plant matter that the round up is to kill has become hardier as well. Thus requiring more and stronger pesticides which is counter-productive to the product in the first place. Also, I have included a link about such a thing happening that you referenced above, where a GMO is unintentionally released into the wild. It was not directly Monsanto (though at one point they did have ownership in Bayer, so whose to say that relationship is 100% null at this time), but it highlights a good point that faces all GMO producers, especially with Monsanto being one of the largest.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I was trying for the same thing. rBST has NO downside, people just lack of understanding of the hormone and how it is harvested. People fail to understand a bovine hormone directly injected into another species’ bloodstream will have zero effect.
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I don’t buy this crap. It’s not that simple. It reminds me all those lies about phytoestrogens in soy…you know that “it’s from plant, you’re an animal not a plant, so phytoestogens won’t interfer with your hormonal make up…phytoestogens are thousands times weaker than human estogens…blablablabla”
BTW whenever I eat dairy products from rBST treated cows I get some bad case of acne, the same products from rBST free milk my skin is fine…obviously there’s something messing with my hormones. And no, it’s not all in my head, it was the case before I was aware of that rBST issue…
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I was trying for the same thing. rBST has NO downside, people just lack of understanding of the hormone and how it is harvested. People fail to understand a bovine hormone directly injected into another species’ bloodstream will have zero effect.
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I don’t buy this crap. It’s not that simple. It reminds me all those lies about phytoestrogens in soy…you know that “it’s from plant, you’re an animal not a plant, so phytoestogens won’t interfer with your hormonal make up…phytoestogens are thousands times weaker than human estogens…blablablabla”
BTW whenever I eat dairy products from rBST treated cows I get some bad case of acne, the same products from rBST free milk my skin is fine…obviously there’s something messing with my hormones. And no, it’s not all in my head, it was the case before I was aware of that rBST issue…
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You must not know we all e-doctors in addition to e-tough guys, e-elite total powerlifters, and e-players. Tisk, tisk.
So tell me the dates of this magical acne attack? When was your last one?
BTW there is NO way to ‘test’ rBST milk versus the stuff from an un-injected cow. If your body reacts, let some scientists know. Want to bet your acne reaction is probably determinate upon your salt intake? gasp
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I was trying for the same thing. rBST has NO downside, people just lack of understanding of the hormone and how it is harvested. People fail to understand a bovine hormone directly injected into another species’ bloodstream will have zero effect.
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I don’t buy this crap. It’s not that simple. It reminds me all those lies about phytoestrogens in soy…you know that “it’s from plant, you’re an animal not a plant, so phytoestogens won’t interfer with your hormonal make up…phytoestogens are thousands times weaker than human estogens…blablablabla”
BTW whenever I eat dairy products from rBST treated cows I get some bad case of acne, the same products from rBST free milk my skin is fine…obviously there’s something messing with my hormones. And no, it’s not all in my head, it was the case before I was aware of that rBST issue…
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When was the last time you set foot in a dairy stall on a +13,000 cow dairy that milks 24hrs a day? Until you know how the real world works please learn to remain quiet. When you KNOW things, then by all means share with the ignorant people of the world. STFU until then.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I was trying for the same thing. rBST has NO downside, people just lack of understanding of the hormone and how it is harvested. People fail to understand a bovine hormone directly injected into another species’ bloodstream will have zero effect.
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I don’t buy this crap. It’s not that simple. It reminds me all those lies about phytoestrogens in soy…you know that “it’s from plant, you’re an animal not a plant, so phytoestogens won’t interfer with your hormonal make up…phytoestogens are thousands times weaker than human estogens…blablablabla”
BTW whenever I eat dairy products from rBST treated cows I get some bad case of acne, the same products from rBST free milk my skin is fine…obviously there’s something messing with my hormones. And no, it’s not all in my head, it was the case before I was aware of that rBST issue…
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You must not know we all e-doctors in addition to e-tough guys, e-elite total powerlifters, and e-players. Tisk, tisk.[/quote]
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
When was the last time you set foot in a dairy stall on a +13,000 cow dairy that milks 24hrs a day? Until you know how the real world works please learn to remain quiet. When you KNOW things, then by all means share with the ignorant people of the world. STFU until then.
Pull out your credentials or stfu. What the fuck do you know? Motherfuckers read an article or two and know everything. When’s the last time you set foot… never mind
Yup I forgot I graduated from the University of Idaho with a pre-veterinary degree. ID is now the number four dairy state in this country. Growing BTW I have logged countless hours with numerous veterinarians who worked in mixed and large animal practices. I only spent a few spring breaks on the largest dairies in the state, following and working with the managers and the guys who were the backbone of the dairy. I dated a girl whos family owned a dairy and had to sell the farm after her Dad died. Oh wait, I actually have touched a dairy cow along with horses, dogs, cats and almost every other domestic species in this country. Need more?
And you have done even one of those things? Or I can ask a simple question. Do you like the smell of silage?!
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Pull out your credentials or stfu. What the fuck do you know? Motherfuckers read an article or two and know everything. When’s the last time you set foot… never mind [/quote]
Good job. None of that is relevant to the question at hand. How do you know happens inside the human body after ingesting specific things? Nothing. All you know is what your peers have told you. What do they know? What the producers of each chemical told them. Don’t act like you have a clue what his problem was. You’re obviously bias b/c of who you’ve been around. Don’t mistake that for actual knowledge.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Yup I forgot I graduated from the University of Idaho with a pre-veterinary degree. ID is now the number four dairy state in this country. Growing BTW I have logged countless hours with numerous veterinarians who worked in mixed and large animal practices. I only spent a few spring breaks on the largest dairies in the state, following and working with the managers and the guys who were the backbone of the dairy. I dated a girl whos family owned a dairy and had to sell the farm after her Dad died. Oh wait, I actually have touched a dairy cow along with horses, dogs, cats and almost every other domestic species in this country. Need more?
And you have done even one of those things? Or I can ask a simple question. Do you like the smell of silage?!
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Pull out your credentials or stfu. What the fuck do you know? Motherfuckers read an article or two and know everything. When’s the last time you set foot… never mind [/quote]
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Yup, you are right. I never sat in a lab with my professors as they showed me how the science works. Oh that is right you have put me in my place because you HAVE done the lab work to back your claims. Sorry to doubt you. You have even told me your vast knowledge was accumulated when and where. Yup, put me in my place with the opinions you have because you heard a friend talk about it. Humbled, truly humbled am I.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Good job. None of that is relevant to the question at hand. How do you know happens inside the human body after ingesting specific things? Nothing. All you know is what your peers have told you. What do they know? What the producers of each chemical told them. Don’t act like you have a clue what his problem was. You’re obviously bias b/c of who you’ve been around. Don’t mistake that for actual knowledge.
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
Yup I forgot I graduated from the University of Idaho with a pre-veterinary degree. ID is now the number four dairy state in this country. Growing BTW I have logged countless hours with numerous veterinarians who worked in mixed and large animal practices. I only spent a few spring breaks on the largest dairies in the state, following and working with the managers and the guys who were the backbone of the dairy. I dated a girl whos family owned a dairy and had to sell the farm after her Dad died. Oh wait, I actually have touched a dairy cow along with horses, dogs, cats and almost every other domestic species in this country. Need more?
And you have done even one of those things? Or I can ask a simple question. Do you like the smell of silage?!
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
Pull out your credentials or stfu. What the fuck do you know? Motherfuckers read an article or two and know everything. When’s the last time you set foot… never mind [/quote]
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think (eat) locally, fuck globally.
[quote]Berserkergang wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
I was trying for the same thing. rBST has NO downside, people just lack of understanding of the hormone and how it is harvested. People fail to understand a bovine hormone directly injected into another species’ bloodstream will have zero effect.
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I don’t buy this crap. It’s not that simple. It reminds me all those lies about phytoestrogens in soy…you know that “it’s from plant, you’re an animal not a plant, so phytoestogens won’t interfer with your hormonal make up…phytoestogens are thousands times weaker than human estogens…blablablabla”
BTW whenever I eat dairy products from rBST treated cows I get some bad case of acne, the same products from rBST free milk my skin is fine…obviously there’s something messing with my hormones. And no, it’s not all in my head, it was the case before I was aware of that rBST issue…
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How do you know if the dairy product is from an rBST treated cow?
Also, unlike with soy, there really isn’t a lot of conflicting literature with rBST. rBST really is the same as the natural version. Its just a string of amino acids anyway.
[quote]dnlcdstn wrote:
[quote]kneedragger79 wrote:
When was the last time you set foot in a dairy stall on a +13,000 cow dairy that milks 24hrs a day? Until you know how the real world works please learn to remain quiet. When you KNOW things, then by all means share with the ignorant people of the world. STFU until then.
Pull out your credentials or stfu. What the fuck do you know? Motherfuckers read an article or two and know everything. When’s the last time you set foot… never mind [/quote]
not for nothing but how do you go from making a post about everyone being e-tough guys to posting this. Do people really need to get upset about an online forum discussing a GMO
[quote]BreStruction wrote:
think (eat) locally, fuck globally.
I think it would be easier the other way around.
My schlong is obviously enormous, but even on a good day it does not reach to other continents.