So it’s not you, it’s them, huh?
Bruh, tell me you don’t see how people MIGHT be confused … for real, take a step back here and be honest with yourself. Do you or don’t you have a problem with women?
Tell me, how do you know this is going on my dude?
So you’re problem isn’t with women, per se. It’s with American women?? Just trying to iron out your stance here man…
Ok.
So there are these vague forces at work that are preventing you from achieving a desired outcome.
For sure, 100 percent.
I wanted to address this point someone else made in here that I never got around to and now I forgot who made it but anyways:
I’m in agreement that the ‘incel’ thing for most people is temporary, and that majority of the online stuff you see is from disgruntled 20 somethings, but that in itself is an issue because for guys (in my opinion) your early to mid 20s is the toughest years (after getting out of college).
Why? well, for most guys not being creative ,they’re likely in a regular 9-5, making no money, finally having to pay all their bills, either in a small apartment or trying to move out of the house, and women, especially American girls, are flying high -
they are at their physical peak of attractiveness (most of them) , get free shit all the time, still have mommy and daddy helping (at least in my neck of the woods), and feel like the world is their oyster and they DESERVE IT.
Dudes suffer at that age but most of them get out of it, or it used to be most of them. Now I dunno. The way the economy is, the way things have been turning… 30s is the new 20s, 40s is the new 30s…
and there is a disconnect between the males and the female graph, which would be ok if women in the states weren’t also so keen on marrying close to their own age, unlike other countries where women are much happier finding a guy 10+ years older.
So there are these vague forces at work that are preventing you from achieving a desired outcome.
let’s try this again for the 3rd month in a row. I don’t have a problem obtaining a desired mate, I am simply making observations of what I have noticed with others currently, or that I have experienced in the past.
@polo77j yes I can see how some people may get confused, and I try my best to explain.
You really believe this is the case? This is so far disconnected from reality, man. I’ve heard of playing the victim, but this is surreal.
Or they could be stripping or working at Hooters.
Well discuss with me why?
that’s true, most of those have kids… though, hooters is actually something a lot of attractive girls like to do and its not as bad as a working environment as one might think, at least according to the few girls I know that worked there. For them it was pretty easy money, the tips were insane.
I find it interesting that you said that as a form of a dig, like “well look at what these girls do for money!”
have you not noticed the explosion of instagram thots? girls willingly showing their asses all day, every day and not just grimy chics, or women with no other choice but to do those things to feed their hungry babies. Normal, every day, middle class college girls, posting their ass pics hoping for more attention, more sugar daddy free shit.
Think about if it were reversed. Think if all a guy had to do in his early 20s was to get fit and post pictures for all that female attention, for some free handouts from some broads lol.
Yo, dudes would be going batshit, the steroid explosion would be astronomical. I think almost 90% of guys would be on that so fast lol
haha
I had a stretch of about a year before I got sober where I was an absolute wreck, and the only women interested in my pill popping, drinking myself yellow ass were a couple of bar flies and the lady next door that always gave me the percocet.
Then the first year getting sober I was told to keep focused on sobriety and don’t fuck up by chasing tail. So I did. After that though…
Other than that though, no joke, I can’t fall down without landing between some legs. Now I’m not saying this to brag. You’ve seen what I look like. I’m not exceptional at all, and have a set of teeth like a shark that chews Copenhagen. I’m walmart head to toe.
That’s why I just have a really hard time accepting that there are all of these unachievable standards and attitudes being imposed by a loosely organized cabal of women–whose intention is What?
This whole thing about control by external forces is just ridiculous.
If a guy has some problem with self esteem, image, perception of sex signals, what ever–that’s their own internal problem. Blaming non existent (or virtually non existent) external forces doesn’t fix internal problems.
That’s a brilliant statement.
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Right, well you’re headed off deep into the incel movement now where there are some guys that simply cannot get laid.
I don’t know what the answer is for those guys, I’m looking at this phenomenon on a larger scale, not just down to those very particular extreme cases.
I truly do think it is something happening to younger males, like I said, in their 20s. Seems like a lot of those guys have a lot of pride, don’t just wanna ‘bang’ any chic and really want something meaningful and can’t find it which is what @BrickHead tends to refer to a lot.
hilarious as that may be
wanna talk about basing things in reality…
you think that’d work in a coastal area in your 20s and 30s?
sorry but this isn’t the fucking notebook.
Works in my coastal area. In fact, a lot of women seem to prefer guys who dress casually and don’t groom like a celebrity.
Women aren’t all after Patrick Bateman look alikes.
So its geographic?
Like my entire life in middle to upper middle class areas of a major metro doesn’t count?
It’s perception dude. Misreading cues that lead to faulty conclusions, bitterness and resentment.
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Yeah but you live in the Alabama of New England … so it doesn’t count (moving the goal posts it fun)
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Cmon now. Beauty comes in all shapes, cognitive abilities and drug preferences. The owner of the bar I bounce at took this locally famous photo. I’d say three is a party.
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Sure. I was born and raised in a coastal area, and aside from the short time I lived in Denver (not exactly a backwoods swamp), have always resided in a coastal area. My observations regarding the topic(s) at hand don’t align with yours.
Now I’m picturing somebody fixated on status, walking around a trendy gym type place with terminal prick face wondering why he can’t score with a hottie in his gymshark shorts or what ever, slamming the book shut on the females of an entire continent because “those uppity bitches and their unrealistic standards!”.
Because reality is subject to perception. Hahaha ha…
come on man. seriously, come on.
you and I live in two incredibly different atmospheres. lol
Yeah, but I’m happy.
And have “outscored” doctors, fund managers, and various other high status professionals.
And I’m not an incel.
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Because there’s no evidence of this. There aren’t just armies of women getting free stuff. And you’re anecdotal data now includes, for the 10th time, Instagram thots, who by definition create alternate realities on social media that have no basis in reality. You also talk about them getting stuff from daddy, but yet you talk about it being increasingly frequent for men to live at home for longer periods of time, especially in non-American countries where it’s the norm. So that sounds like guys getting stuff from mommy and daddy too. You remember your story about seeing a homeless guy and feeling for the plight of men because of it? How do you see that, which could easily be a repeat drug addict and sex offender that can’t hold down a job, and feel bad for men, but see some girl showing her ass on Instagram, and not feel for the unrealistic image standards that girls are forced to live up to when their heroes are filtered Instagram celebrities? Your perspective is unforgiving with regards to women and filled to the brim with excuses for men.
But most of all, similar to what @T3hPwnisher was saying, all of these things you’re putting out there as inherently female problems are just human problems.