Haha ok, I don’t know enough about WWE to get jokes regarding it. But yeah, I don’t remember…and what’s the dunder part about?
Interesting considering there are non-white and Jewish incels.
I’m Jewish and at one point was involuntarily celibate and never thought women owed me a goddamn thing!
But hey, you also once called me a Nazi sympathizer without knowing I’m Jewish, have Jewish friends, and have/had relatives who emigrated from Poland in 1939. 
WWE is headquartered in Stamford. If you drive up 95 north you’ll pass this office building with a huge black WWE flag out front.
I think it’s great that the company’s making a commercial, because not very many people have heard of us. I mean, when I tell people I work at Dunder Mifflin, they think that we sell mufflers or muffins or mittens or…and frankly, all of those sound better than paper, so I let it slide. – Jim Halpert
1 Like
Of the men I know who had a hard time finding a mate, NOT ONE had any violent inclination. In fact, they didn’t have a violent bone in their bodies.
That doesn’t change the fact that as a movement, an internet forum phenomenon, it has been infiltrated by those ideas.
Did you identify as an incel or simply think you were a virgin? Again, you seem to have your own definitions for these terms and it creates misunderstanding.
I did? I would need to see proof. Regardless, a Jewish person could be that.
Not every involuntarily celibate person is a virgin!
Again, you are using your own definition for incel. An incel, as it is commonly used today, refers to the type of person I already described. The first person to refer to herself as an incel was a woman. She left the very forum she started for incels, as she defined them, because of the incels as we have come to know them.
If you want to have a conversation about something it helps to have clarity. You can’t use your own definitions and expect others to have a clue about what you mean. This is why we have definitions in the first place.
1 Like
Or an INCEL.
1 Like
And not every virgin is an incel, that’s the real point.
I don’t recall the thread in which you said it, but it was in response to me stating which countries I believe to be the initial aggressors in WWII. But that’s you: react like an over emoting, offended brat every time a statement isn’t music to your ears or eyes!
I am using the term involuntarily celibate by definition, not some supposed “movement”.
I am using the now-understood academic definition. So there.
1 Like
So you don’t remember, but it must have happened just the same. You were probably wrong about WW2, though.
That would be you, as your post shows. I don’t get offended; I think too highly of myself.
No to both.
Oh, I remember what I said in the thread. I just forgot the title of the thread.
But the definition includes that one is being denied sex. That’s what makes it involuntary. In the instances you provide, one is the cause of their own celibacy (feelings of inadequacy or unworthiness).
You are truncating involuntary celibacy to be INCEL, but INCEL has a meaning beyond simply being an abbreviation/portmanteau. This has been the crux of the confusion of the dialogue.
1 Like
This implies that if one can shake any condition making it difficult to find a mate, the issue is resolved, as in a woman is had as soon as the condition is shaken off.
Again, you see the drive for finding a woman (for sex, love, family, whatever) as voluntary when no one has such a drive by their own volition.
The first online community to use the term “incel” was started in 1993 when a Canadian university student known only by her first name, Alana, created a website in order to discuss her sexual inactivity with others. The website, titled “Alana’s Involuntary Celibacy Project”, was used by people of all genders to share their thoughts and experiences. In 1997, she started a mailing list on the topic that used the abbreviation INVCEL, later shortened to “incel”, for “anybody of any gender who was lonely, had never had sex or who hadn’t had a relationship in a long time”. During her college career and after, she realized she was queer and became more comfortable with her identity. She stopped participating in her online project around 2000 and gave the site to a stranger. When speaking about the website in 2018, Alana said, “It definitely wasn’t a bunch of guys blaming women for their problems. That’s a pretty sad version of this phenomenon that’s happening today. Things have changed in the last 20 years.” When she read about the 2014 Isla Vista killings, and the way parts of the incel subculture glorified the perpetrator, Elliot Rodger, she wrote, "Like a scientist who invented something that ended up being a weapon of war, I can’t uninvent this word, nor restrict it to the nicer people who need it."She expressed regret at the change in usage from her original intent of creating an “inclusive community” for people of all genders who were sexually deprived due to social awkwardness, marginalization, or mental illness. She has since started a new project, “Love Not Anger”, which she describes as “a project to research how lonely people might find respectful love, instead of being stuck in anger”.
1 Like
It only implies that if that’s what you want to read out of it. I wrote with no implication: it’s a summary of your point provided merely as a means to explain the difference between your meaning of involuntary celibacy vs INCEL. In the case of the former, one holds that a fault exists within themselves. In the case of the latter, the fault is external (one is denied what they are owed).
Dumbest fucking utterance in this God-forsaken thread.
1 Like