Because they haven’t already? Ball’s in your court, Chico.
As are the others. Let’s see:
Anti-semitism: not unique to incels
Racism: not unique to incels
Violent ideation: not unique to incels
Misogyny: not unique to incels
The insidious thing about Molyneux is that he is trying to drive young white males who have particular issues when it comes to not only sex and women but manhood in general, into becoming incels.
No one said that so what’s your point? Are you expecting me to argue about that? However, your post implies that those things are a part of incel culture.
After lurking on some other bodybuilding forums, ALL those are expressed in such online communities. They are part of online communities generally.
Anyway, I don’t condone bad behavior online. Nor am I in ANY movement.
By whom?
I don’t doubt that for a second. The only places you won’t see it are forums that are heavily moderated. You see it here, in fact. But you also see the push back and intolerance for it.
I believe you. But I will still call anyone who even hints at Holocaust denial or ethnostate weirdness or misogyny, etc., a piece of garbage.
This is the key difference. Those views are reviled on other forums, while cornerstones of the philosophy among the INCEL community.
I wonder if the way that the incel community “recruits” new members is similar to how ISIS recruits people. I read articles about incels and there is a suggestion that it’s like a cult.
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If only these guys put as much time into finding a mate as they do into explaining why they can’t find one.
Also the second link is a collection of women suck stuff. I don’t even think some of these people try. They probably enjoy finding stuff they can say about women more than being with one.
From my first post in this thread:
Can you tell me, @BrickHead, where I’ve mistreated you in any way? I disagree with your views, but then you can be a little slippery in that regard, as:
But without ever saying anything that forwards the conversation, like “I agree!” and then moving to fine-tune your thoughts.
Do you think it was wrong of me to tell greenboy not to email me pictures after his hostility and profane name-calling, or to explain the depth of my dislike of him in that context, i.e. you’re the kind of man I’m afraid of, the reason I have pepper spray and a gun?
Are you a leader or a follower, Brick? If you consider yourself the former, you may want to work on standing for what you stand for, rather than hiding behind others (“I don’t agree with EVERYTHING he says, I never said I did!”) and befriending people who say the things YOU want to say, but won’t. Be who you are.
Whether I’m a good person or a bad person, I am at least honest about who I am and what I stand for.
An old Cherokee chief was teaching his grandson about life…
“A fight is going on inside me,” he said to the boy.
"It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.
One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, self-doubt, and ego.
The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.
This same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."
The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, “Which wolf will win?”
The old chief simply replied,
“The one you feed.”
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Well said.
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This is definitely a problem.
@EmilyQ
Yes, because no where in our conversations did I demonstrate any type of violence towards you or women in general. You don’t know me, at all, and everything you have done to me and in these conversations are your ‘ideas’ of what an incel is, and that I am an incel.
And how you handled that other pic scenario demonstrates exactly why I’ve had a problem with you. For clarity in this thread, for others reading - you have been asking for a pic for god knows how long, despite knowing I did not want it posted on a public forum. You received an email to your publicly displayed email in your profile, with an indication on this very board that you were going to get one and you turned that around 180 to completely bash me and attempt to humiliate me. On top of it you posted the pic I asked you not to post while also dismissing it as not me, and then asking for more proof lol. Classless.
Considering this post is thoughtful, I will attempt to address it later on when I have time. No, I don’t agree with all that is said by people with some of my observations and thoughts.
Do you mean “e-friend?” My real-life friends have been shown with me on this forum in the thread for the 2018 Olympia and my contest prep thread.
No, I don’t and will not condone some of the posts directed at you on here! I am not an e-tough guy or a real-life tough guy. And I don’t try to be one either. If I “like” a post, I might like SOME of the post.
All the people I deal with on a regular basis, know that I’m well mannered, sincere, and understanding. And even though I’ve told some of them some unpopular views, if you told them I have poisonous ideas, they’d likely be shocked. Likely they’d say, “oh yeah, he has some hangups, but overall he’s a great guy! He’d help you out in a second”. And I have the real life proof of my actions.
I’m not a self-aggrandizing person but I’ll at least say that about myself. This thread has been a failure admittedly. But at the end of the day it’s a forum thread. That’s it! I have promoted nothing. I have only spoken of a phenomenon. And at the end of the day who counts and truly cares what I say are my family and friends and my overarching goal is to be the best dad I can be, hopefully so that my kids will be well-adjusted, nice, maybe even talented people and to not experience some pathologies I’ve noticed and experienced in real life, nor to be confused or naive!
As said, at the end of the day, I will not be thinking of what some smart Alec You Tube celeb says!
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There’s a point where most fathers stop verbally berating their sons. When a boy comes of age to throw fists with his dad, usually the dad recognizes this and turns down his verbal hostility towards the son.
A mother does not. For a normal son will never come back verbally, and definitely not physically towards his mother. This is why for most young boys having an abusive mother is worse than an abusive father, and correct me if I’m wrong but most serial killers tended to have abusive mothers.
This is the same way in the public sphere. Women are protected. As it should be, to an extent. The problem is women take advantage of this now. They will berate a man in public, on forums, on any avenue granted to them, while a man will be scorned if he turns around and shouts back, calls her a ‘cunt’, or whatever. This happens all the time.
Part of this is why so many people loved Trumps “grab her by the pussy” and his attacks on Megyn Kelly. He spit on that entire notion.
I find Trump ridiculous, but I did see many guys love his complete trashing of the new social norm.
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Yes, you posted this and I thank you for that. Of course I see healthy coupling. I also see and have read about an increase in people having a hard time coupling, in numbers not seen before in America, according to some surveys as well.
This goes for other issues I’ve spoken about. Everyday I see employed people. But I’ve also read about relatively high actual unemployment. I’ve read about a skyrocketing make prison population since the 1970’s and increased male suicide, male failure to launch, men losing their mind and lashing out, broke homes, etc. Is it really that odd that someone scratches their head because of this?
And no way am I going to be fully transparent when people have the nerve to speak about my family without knowing them or make serious misjudgments (eg, your parents didn’t pay for your education when in fact my single mom who busted her ass did, that my granddad’s race is what he wasn’t, that I’m a Nazi sympathizer for disagreeing with the turn of events for WW2 when I’m in fact Jewish!). I am going going to be fully transparent with that kind of treatment? No, I won’t. The decency will have to go both ways if I am.
If the father is a pussy and/or the son is a bitch. My grandfather said what he wanted when he was over 90 and walked with a cane, and no one in the family had the balls or bad manners to go against him.
My uncle, as a grown man with kids, took a beating from his uncle even though he could have easily stopped him. I think some of you come from shitty families that have no concept of respect for your elders.
More incel whining. Too bad women don’t have to take shit from men anymore. How dare they stand up for themselves.
What on earth have I done to you, except to disagree with you and think your views on women in society both ugly and self-destructive? As I’ve said before, “incel” is not a word I use, so flail at someone else over that.
You knew perfectly well that I was asking for posted pics and not an email subject-lined “there you go, darling” a couple of days after the latest name-calling, so please, do us both a favor and stop playing games. This is me treating you like a grownup here, stop the wide-eyed innocent child routine, it’s palpably manipulative and hopefully beneath us both. Evidence I have for this is that NO ONE ELSE received that picture, after probably a dozen calls for a pic from various posters with email addresses in their profiles.
The email you sent is particularly unnerving to me in light of your oft-expressed worries over doxing, which word I had to look up when you mentioned because I don’t think of people hunting me down. Now, thanks to you from a couple of directions, I do, because I am of the belief that we project onto people the qualities we exemplify. Your abject terror of having your picture posted and exposing a pathway back to you make me worry that I should fear these things, too - from you. And particularly given what I and most everyone else (the exception being @BrickHead) perceive as a seething dislike of women, and particularly of me, at least within the confines of our little shared world here at TN.
That you trusted me to protect your privacy with that email suggests something about the quality of my interactions with you on these boards. That I have reacted the way I have suggests something about the quality of yours.
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