That is fine; it’s just not what an incel is.
I meant I’ll stick with serious relationship an and possible family. Sorry.
Most incels don’t just want sex.
How are you getting that datapoint?
The family unit has been severely damaged in the west, shown in part through a huge drop in births.
Women are now married to their “career” due to feminism. They are “empowered” by their desk rather than “enslaved” to their kitchen.
Men are often kept in a permanent state of adolescence through pornography, computer games, social media, debts, dating apps etc.
There is now socially acceptable sex without consequence as a result of social norms and contraception.
The growing 21st century “incel” phenomenon is just a symptom of a broader malaise.
Increasing the GDP and power of the State are now the most important issue in many circumstances.
The dying family unit is a huge, probably fatal, problem in Western civilisation.
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Because an Involuntary Celibate is going to be pretty rare.
Almost anyone can afford sex with a cheap prostitute.
Why do these incels believe getting sex from someone coherent should be easy? Do they feel that women owe them sex? You need to be very confident or Italian to think you can get sex by just being present.
In additon, most people can change the qualities about them that are undesirable.
I dare say a true involuntary celibate person is impossible. As, once again, existence is voluntary.
So, @BrickHead, how do you categorize the depressed, isolated young woman who wishes for a boyfriend and eventually marriage, but is unsuccessful? Is this traceable to changes in welfare and divorce policy, also? Or is her problem different?
Because I don’t think your assumptions about the bases of the issue hold up when we widen our view to include involuntarily celibate young women, if by “involuntarily celibate” we mean unable to “get” the quality of young man she desires.
Most people cannot change their undesirable qualities. Almost no one can do this. No human has total control over themselves.
As for existence is voluntary, that is not entirely true either. Innate mechanisms beyond our easy control stop people committing suicide at the drop of a hat, for example.
I disagree with this.
It can be hard to raise a family on one income. A woman saying she should get a maternity leave of decent length is a communist. The GOP likes to talk family values but does nothing to incentivize it. Well, unless you count crying about gay marriage.
She needs to lose weight and shave her legs. It wouldn’t hurt if she learned to cook. Duh.
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Just look at obesity as an easy example.
There are zero benefits to being obese.
Yet 10s of millions of people are.
Almost none of these people wish to be obese.
Each obese person has total control over what they eat.
Yet these 10s of millions remain obese, regardless of income, race, geography, sex, age, you name it.
The ability to be not obese exists. One chooses not to exercise said ability.
It is far easier for a female to find a mate in almost all circumstances, than for a male.
If obesity is a choice, why do 10s of millions choose to be obese?
My argument is they cannot change their behaviour, because doing so is very difficult for almost all humans.
For example, “shy” people know the negatives that this can cause, why don’t they just “choose”
to not be shy?
Because they don’t want to do the things that would make them be not obese. As I said
My argument is that just because something is very difficult does not mean it can’t be done: it just means it is very difficult.
That’s coming from your perspective as a man. Just because a woman has the final word as far as consent, doesn’t mean it’s as easy for her to give it as it is for a man to seek it.
Overall, I agree with you.
My point is you disagreed that “most people cannot change their undesirable qualities.”
Yet look at the evidence:
- obesity
- gambling
- drugs
- shyness
- aggression
- alcoholism
These issues afflict hundreds of millions of people. 99% understand the negatives. Yet they cannot simply stop, as they do not have easy/total control over themselves, in my view.
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