Modern Life and Test Levels

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Test Icicle wrote:
I’ve been around a while, I’m older than most of you, younger than some. What some of you consider “masculine” ie huntin, and fishin, and chewin, and drinkin, and fightin isn’t. It’s a signifier. It’s some people’s way of saying “I hunt, therefore I’m a man”. There’s nothing inherently masculine about smoking a cigar and there’s noting inherently feminine about figure skating. Thinking a guy isn’t masculine because he likes making lazy 8’s on the ice is intellectually lazy.[/quote]

Making lazy eights and getting yourself into spandex, lace, sparkles, and shooting yourself up with estrogen is two different things, one is a neutral act the other is feminine. Smoking a strong tart cigar is masculine. I don’t think many men say, “I hunt, therefore I’m a man.”

It’s the opposite, “I’m a man, therefore I like do things like hunt and fish for my family.” “I’m a man, therefore I like to fight to defend the name of my family.” These are masculine activities.

[quote]I’ve had the same best friend for 40 years. We grew up together, we fished and camped together, got drunk, burned down a barn…anyways, he’s my best friend because I know that if I ever needed him, he’d drop everything to help me out, no questions asked.

I’ve got a woman, too. She honest, loyal, tells it like it is, and if I ever needed her, she’d drop everything to help me out, no questions asked.

So what I think some people miss, is that those positive qualities we consider “masculine” like integrity, honesty, loyality…those don’t just make a good man, they make a good human being. But that’s incomplete. You add those traits that we consider “feminine” like sensitivity, empathy, being in touch with your feelings and now you’ve got a complete, self-actualized human being. Not some caricature of what a man should be, but truly a complete human being.
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Man and woman are different. Yes, their virtues are the same (integrity, honesty, loyalty), but how they go about fulfilling those virtues are different in the natural order (kinds) and in different degrees.[/quote]

Well said. No one is arguing that certain traits make up a “good human being”…but to act like there is no difference between genders as far as motivations, perceptions and even desires is ridiculous.

I find no joy what so ever in a chick flick.

Yes, there may be women who hate chick flicks…but lets not pretend chick flicks got the name for no damned reason.

Men weren’t meant to be women who just like holes instead of poles.

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I’m all for being a “manly man” (as if you couldnt tell by my mustache thread) but there is nothing wrong with putting you wife/fiancÃ?©/whatever’s feelings/needs/wants ahead of your own sometimes. A relationship is give and take.

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I do agree with this. There is a balance. Sometimes the balance has less to do with the “portions” being equal, than possessing the very opposite requisite of your significant other.

For example, my wife thrives upon my sensitivity to her daily needs and concerns, yet she admits she wants me to be a rock when she feels her most vulnerable to a particular situation (which means she doesn’t want to see me expressing weakness).
All good by me.
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So you’re like her robot?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Test Icicle wrote:
I’ve been around a while, I’m older than most of you, younger than some. What some of you consider “masculine” ie huntin, and fishin, and chewin, and drinkin, and fightin isn’t. It’s a signifier. It’s some people’s way of saying “I hunt, therefore I’m a man”. There’s nothing inherently masculine about smoking a cigar and there’s noting inherently feminine about figure skating. Thinking a guy isn’t masculine because he likes making lazy 8’s on the ice is intellectually lazy.[/quote]

Making lazy eights and getting yourself into spandex, lace, sparkles, and shooting yourself up with estrogen is two different things, one is a neutral act the other is feminine. Smoking a strong tart cigar is masculine. I don’t think many men say, “I hunt, therefore I’m a man.”

It’s the opposite, “I’m a man, therefore I like do things like hunt and fish for my family.” “I’m a man, therefore I like to fight to defend the name of my family.” These are masculine activities.

[quote]I’ve had the same best friend for 40 years. We grew up together, we fished and camped together, got drunk, burned down a barn…anyways, he’s my best friend because I know that if I ever needed him, he’d drop everything to help me out, no questions asked.

I’ve got a woman, too. She honest, loyal, tells it like it is, and if I ever needed her, she’d drop everything to help me out, no questions asked.

So what I think some people miss, is that those positive qualities we consider “masculine” like integrity, honesty, loyality…those don’t just make a good man, they make a good human being. But that’s incomplete. You add those traits that we consider “feminine” like sensitivity, empathy, being in touch with your feelings and now you’ve got a complete, self-actualized human being. Not some caricature of what a man should be, but truly a complete human being.
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Man and woman are different. Yes, their virtues are the same (integrity, honesty, loyalty), but how they go about fulfilling those virtues are different in the natural order (kinds) and in different degrees.[/quote]

Men weren’t meant to be women who just like holes instead of poles.[/quote]

did the penis derive from the clit or did the clit derive from the penis? we shall never know…

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At my old job, my “manliness” was a huge issue.

I’m glad I quit.

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[quote]pja wrote:
The drop in T levels itself is likely due to all the crap that is in food nowadays perhaps coupled with a less active workforce. All of the societal junk each of you are discussing are perhaps just a byproduct of the low T-levels.
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Plus all the whining going on in this thread is likely a byproduct of low T-levels.

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[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
did the penis derive from the clit or did the clit derive from the penis? we shall never know…
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Woman came from the rib of man (though man did come from the slim of the earth), and they were man and woman. :slight_smile: She was his perfect helper.

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I heard once the inability to differentiate between discussion and complaining was a female trait…or was that of low intelligence…we shall never know.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
did the penis derive from the clit or did the clit derive from the penis? we shall never know…
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Woman came from the rib of man (though man did come from the slim of the earth), and they were man and woman. :slight_smile: She was his perfect helper. [/quote]

Was it one man or a big group?

if someone took my rib out I would probably die, specially with the technology they had back then. Now they can open you up and seal you without bleeding to death, back then I would have been dead within seconds. Now if it was more than one man then I can understand the answer but then again not really, I mean why would god just put a bunch of guys in a group with no women already around? to hang out and look at each other?..I mean if anything I feel like he would had replace the ass holes of men with a vaginas or something cool of that sort…god is tricky I tell you…

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I heard once the inability to differentiate between discussion and complaining was a female trait…or was that of low intelligence…we shall never know. [/quote]
hehe

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[quote]Grimlorn wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I heard once the inability to differentiate between discussion and complaining was a female trait…or was that of low intelligence…we shall never know. [/quote]
hehe[/quote]

:wink:

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Smoking a strong tart cigar is masculine. [/quote]

If you think that sucking on a burning turd is manly, then by all means, knock yourself out.

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Human beings should not fucking eat fucking soy!

Its the debil.

The debil!

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Seeing as I’m 41, let me say that I see a lot 20 somethings not acting like men. Perhaps, they should act like men. Only weirdo, wore skinny jeans and cut themselves. Now it’s all over the place. Hell by the time I was 23 I had three children and I took care of them and not just financially either. I have two granddaughters and their dad is a complete nonexsistant ass clown. Who would rather party then take care of his responsibilities. My granddaughters know what a man is because of me and their uncles.

When I got my girlfriend pregnant at 16 my dad told me two things. One, I was going to raise and provide for that child. Two, you will graduate from H.S. and so will your gf. No grandchild of his was going to illiterate parents. Be a man, and man up to your responsibilities. It was no ones fault but yours now take care of it. Be a man!

Men, don’t know how to be men because there aren’t men showing them. I could hate to death my ex, but that would not stop me from seeing my children. If she’s good enough to phook, she’s good enough to be the mom of your children. Perhaps we should just push off the cliff of life the men who don’t know how to be men. For all the talk I hear from women about men they all seem to want to phook real manly men!

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Phook, is that like Pho soup? :wink:

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Test Icicle wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
A woman may have the reaction of trying to emotionally help a woman who has been raped, where a guy might think buy her pepper spray and teach her self defense. It’s not about not caring, it’s just a different approach.
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Should a woman in your life ever tell you that she’s been raped, “Great, now I know what to get you for Christmas!” isn’t the right answer.
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lol good point.

DD, you’d be surprised at the actual response many women may have to a rape victim. It’s not always kindness and comfort either. And men too: sometimes they show a tremendous amount of compassion and empathy for pain they will never experience. There’s no standard response.

That said, if a guy acts like an insensitive ass in response to a delicate situation, citing some bullshit notion of masculinity and nature is just one way of being a pussy and not being accountable for their behavior and falls in line with the tired old bullshit where sitcom dads are incompetent morons because they are men and are incapable of using common sense with situations that make everyone who is human uncomfortable, including crying people, hurt people and people needing care. Being unable to cope with those scenarios is NOT manly.

I know a lot of men like to use their gender as a crutch in this regard but it is just a crutch. It’s no different than women acting weak or dumb to get out of having to something themselves.

Edit: not meaning to jump all over you DD and I’m speaking in generalities, just your quote started my rant.[/quote]

LOL. I didn’t mean that scenario to be literal. It was just an illustration. Women tend to think emotionally, men tend to think more logically. Neither side is right or wrong. We are just wired a little different.

For maybe a better example of what I mean, take a football game versus going to the ballet. In everything you see in today’s society, football = masculine, ballet = feminine. Now what you will see portrayed is that it is the man’s duty to forgo watching football in order to go with his wife to the ballet. And that any attempt he makes to keep up with the game or get out of going to the ballet is wrong and pig headed. Literally, there have to be dozens of sit com episodes built on that concept.

The truth is that the man valuing football is every bit as valid as the woman valuing ballet. There is nothing more right or good about one over the other. Further, it is just as wrong for the woman to fail to acknowledge and respect the man’s desire to see the game as it is the other way around.

(to be clear men like football, woman like ballet is really just a social construct, I don’t think either is inherently masculine or feminine)

I recently got my carry permit and purchased some handguns and started practicing with them (and making her learn) and carrying one. My wife didn’t like it, she saw it as a stupid, dangerous, expensive, “manly man” thing. It eventually came to a head and I had to sit down and explain my feelings. I told her that I had never worried about things like my safety, (I’d never owned a hand gun before I met her) and never thought about it, but now I had something worth protecting. The greatest fear I have is something happening to her. I naturally want to protect her, that’s a big part of how I show I love her. It’s very differently than she does it. And neither is wrong, just different, and learning and respecting that can be difficult.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Test Icicle wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
A woman may have the reaction of trying to emotionally help a woman who has been raped, where a guy might think buy her pepper spray and teach her self defense. It’s not about not caring, it’s just a different approach.
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Should a woman in your life ever tell you that she’s been raped, “Great, now I know what to get you for Christmas!” isn’t the right answer.
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lol good point.

DD, you’d be surprised at the actual response many women may have to a rape victim. It’s not always kindness and comfort either. And men too: sometimes they show a tremendous amount of compassion and empathy for pain they will never experience. There’s no standard response.

That said, if a guy acts like an insensitive ass in response to a delicate situation, citing some bullshit notion of masculinity and nature is just one way of being a pussy and not being accountable for their behavior and falls in line with the tired old bullshit where sitcom dads are incompetent morons because they are men and are incapable of using common sense with situations that make everyone who is human uncomfortable, including crying people, hurt people and people needing care. Being unable to cope with those scenarios is NOT manly.

I know a lot of men like to use their gender as a crutch in this regard but it is just a crutch. It’s no different than women acting weak or dumb to get out of having to something themselves.

Edit: not meaning to jump all over you DD and I’m speaking in generalities, just your quote started my rant.[/quote]

LOL. I didn’t mean that scenario to be literal. It was just an illustration. Women tend to think emotionally, men tend to think more logically. Neither side is right or wrong. We are just wired a little different.

For maybe a better example of what I mean, take a football game versus going to the ballet. In everything you see in today’s society, football = masculine, ballet = feminine. Now what you will see portrayed is that it is the man’s duty to forgo watching football in order to go with his wife to the ballet. And that any attempt he makes to keep up with the game or get out of going to the ballet is wrong and pig headed. Literally, there have to be dozens of sit com episodes built on that concept.

The truth is that the man valuing football is every bit as valid as the woman valuing ballet. There is nothing more right or good about one over the other. Further, it is just as wrong for the woman to fail to acknowledge and respect the man’s desire to see the game as it is the other way around.

(to be clear men like football, woman like ballet is really just a social construct, I don’t think either is inherently masculine or feminine)

I recently got my carry permit and purchased some handguns and started practicing with them (and making her learn) and carrying one. My wife didn’t like it, she saw it as a stupid, dangerous, expensive, “manly man” thing. It eventually came to a head and I had to sit down and explain my feelings. I told her that I had never worried about things like my safety, (I’d never owned a hand gun before I met her) and never thought about it, but now I had something worth protecting. The greatest fear I have is something happening to her. I naturally want to protect her, that’s a big part of how I show I love her. It’s very differently than she does it. And neither is wrong, just different, and learning and respecting that can be difficult.
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You big softee. :slight_smile:

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So…the conclusion is we need to allow public breast feeding?

I agree. T levels sore across the nation.

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[quote]DJHT wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Test Icicle wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
A woman may have the reaction of trying to emotionally help a woman who has been raped, where a guy might think buy her pepper spray and teach her self defense. It’s not about not caring, it’s just a different approach.
[/quote]

Should a woman in your life ever tell you that she’s been raped, “Great, now I know what to get you for Christmas!” isn’t the right answer.
[/quote]

lol good point.

DD, you’d be surprised at the actual response many women may have to a rape victim. It’s not always kindness and comfort either. And men too: sometimes they show a tremendous amount of compassion and empathy for pain they will never experience. There’s no standard response.

That said, if a guy acts like an insensitive ass in response to a delicate situation, citing some bullshit notion of masculinity and nature is just one way of being a pussy and not being accountable for their behavior and falls in line with the tired old bullshit where sitcom dads are incompetent morons because they are men and are incapable of using common sense with situations that make everyone who is human uncomfortable, including crying people, hurt people and people needing care. Being unable to cope with those scenarios is NOT manly.

I know a lot of men like to use their gender as a crutch in this regard but it is just a crutch. It’s no different than women acting weak or dumb to get out of having to something themselves.

Edit: not meaning to jump all over you DD and I’m speaking in generalities, just your quote started my rant.[/quote]

LOL. I didn’t mean that scenario to be literal. It was just an illustration. Women tend to think emotionally, men tend to think more logically. Neither side is right or wrong. We are just wired a little different.

For maybe a better example of what I mean, take a football game versus going to the ballet. In everything you see in today’s society, football = masculine, ballet = feminine. Now what you will see portrayed is that it is the man’s duty to forgo watching football in order to go with his wife to the ballet. And that any attempt he makes to keep up with the game or get out of going to the ballet is wrong and pig headed. Literally, there have to be dozens of sit com episodes built on that concept.

The truth is that the man valuing football is every bit as valid as the woman valuing ballet. There is nothing more right or good about one over the other. Further, it is just as wrong for the woman to fail to acknowledge and respect the man’s desire to see the game as it is the other way around.

(to be clear men like football, woman like ballet is really just a social construct, I don’t think either is inherently masculine or feminine)

I recently got my carry permit and purchased some handguns and started practicing with them (and making her learn) and carrying one. My wife didn’t like it, she saw it as a stupid, dangerous, expensive, “manly man” thing. It eventually came to a head and I had to sit down and explain my feelings. I told her that I had never worried about things like my safety, (I’d never owned a hand gun before I met her) and never thought about it, but now I had something worth protecting. The greatest fear I have is something happening to her. I naturally want to protect her, that’s a big part of how I show I love her. It’s very differently than she does it. And neither is wrong, just different, and learning and respecting that can be difficult.
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You big softee. :)[/quote]

Nothing says I love you like a loaded AR-15, sniff…

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I’m sorry…I wrote “allow”. It is clear we may have to FORCE some of the better looking feeders out of hiding.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Edevus wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
…and just to expand the discussion…I’m a guy who doesn’t like girly things. I don’t sit and gossip. I don’t talk about the way people are dressed unless it is just something ridiculous. I can be aggressive. I can be quick to respond physically if challenged. These traits used to be seen as “masculine”…but are now seen as problems that needs to be erased from society.[/quote]

Yes, exactly.

I’ve had this discussion with many people during this year since it was when I started to realize.
If a man is assertive to a woman, you can get in troubles. It’s ridiculous. We’re talking about being assertive, not demeaning, insulting, aggressive, etc. just assertive.

In Spain is getting to a point where men are brainwashed to think that women should be on charge because they make no mistakes, they are the new overlords (overladies?) and men should shut up and obey.

Some of my friends actually think like that. And I somewhat did too…but I woke up. [/quote]

It’s the same here. I have friends who changed completely once they got hooked up. Suddenly, it is like they don’t think for themselves anymore. Things are out of balance right now. You can’t even discuss getting testosterone replacement with most doctors…while they will basically hand it out to women like lollipops.

Whether you blame the feminists movement or men themselves for allowing shit to get this out of hand, but I really don’t see this continuing unless the goal is to literally have women walking around with penises.[/quote]

There is a great book on this topic:

The War Against Boys, by Christina Hoff Sommers

I am surprised TC hasn’t reviewed on here, as it backs up many of the topics he talked about in his articles/book.