Modern Life and Test Levels

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Being masculine doesn’t mean that you don’t have or express feelings. Men are built to express things differently. They feel things differently, think differently, care for things differently. It is distinct, not lacking.

A woman may have the reaction of trying to emotionally help a woman who has been raped, where a guy might think buy her pepper spray and teach her self defense. It’s not about not caring, it’s just a different approach.

A marriage works by understanding and accepting those differences, NOT by changing one person to be like the other. You do things together and play off each others strengths. It means you comfort your wife when she needs it, which isn’t the same making yourself feel the same way she does about something.

I may not think something is a big deal, where as it greatly upsets my wife. I’m not wrong for not being upset by it, I’m only wrong if I’m not understanding toward her about it. You don’t have to compromise masculinity for a relationship at all. In fact, a healthy relationship should strengthen it.

The problem is that, today, the feminine way is portrayed as right, and the masculine way wrong, when it isn’t about right or wrong.

But then again, I’m still in my first year of married life, so I may be full of it. I will say that I have learned a lot about women and probably even more about what it is to be a man this year though.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I miss wonder woman.[/quote]

You say something?

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I have had a “thing” for WW since I was a kid. LOL

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have had a “thing” for WW since I was a kid. LOL[/quote]

I would question you if you didn’t.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have had a “thing” for WW since I was a kid. LOL[/quote]

Even feminist WW?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I miss wonder woman.[/quote]

Dont worry X

WoWo WILL BE BACK.

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  1. Im shocked no one has quoted Fight Club. I will start:

“We are a generation of men raised by women. Im wondering if another women is really what we need?!”

Tyler looks at a advertisement of a model, lean, unflexed abs: “Is that what a man is supposed to look like??”

  1. Whats everyones take on the Conspiracy side of all of this? I know a lot of dudes in Gov. positions who have been claiming that the drop in T has been on purpose. Lets stir the pot.

Loving a person is a wonderful thing. There’s that “happy wife, happy life” phrase floating around. I think that giving for the happiness of someone else is fantastic, taking is horrible. You can sacrifice things for someone you love like a job, friendship, home etc. But you cant give up your life and your wants. If you give everything to someone and they leave (death or call it quits) then what? You gave up your life. IMO

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Treat your man witth respect

Treat your woman with affection

/universesolved

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I have had a “thing” for WW since I was a kid. LOL[/quote]

Even feminist WW?
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Especially her.

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I still like Dave Chappelles take on pleasing a man:

  1. Give em blow job
  2. Play with his balls
  3. make him a sandwich
  4. Shut the fuck up!

I think that can work well for a woman too

  1. Go down on her
  2. Give her a massage (somewhere)
  3. Make her some food.
  4. Shut the fuck up
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[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:

  1. Im shocked no one has quoted Fight Club. I will start:

“We are a generation of men raised by women. Im wondering if another women is really what we need?!”

Tyler looks at a advertisement of a model, lean, unflexed abs: “Is that what a man is supposed to look like??”

  1. Whats everyones take on the Conspiracy side of all of this? I know a lot of dudes in Gov. positions who have been claiming that the drop in T has been on purpose. Lets stir the pot.

Loving a person is a wonderful thing. There’s that “happy wife, happy life” phrase floating around. I think that giving for the happiness of someone else is fantastic, taking is horrible. You can sacrifice things for someone you love like a job, friendship, home etc. But you cant give up your life and your wants. If you give everything to someone and they leave (death or call it quits) then what? You gave up your life. IMO[/quote]

I’ll say it, women don’t know what women want…but neither do men. So, the only thing a man can do is what is right.

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haha that was a point made in this Indie Film called “Brief Interviews with Hideous Men” it was pretty good. There are two kids who walk around the whole film discussing what women want, that was almost the best part. A lot of comedians in the film but its not funny. I guess its based off a guy who conducted 100s of actual interviews with men about women. I recommend.

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The drop in T levels itself is likely due to all the crap that is in food nowadays perhaps coupled with a less active workforce. All of the societal junk each of you are discussing are perhaps just a byproduct of the low T-levels.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
A woman may have the reaction of trying to emotionally help a woman who has been raped, where a guy might think buy her pepper spray and teach her self defense. It’s not about not caring, it’s just a different approach.
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Should a woman in your life ever tell you that she’s been raped, “Great, now I know what to get you for Christmas!” isn’t the right answer.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Being masculine doesn’t mean that you don’t have or express feelings. Men are built to express things differently. They feel things differently, think differently, care for things differently. It is distinct, not lacking.

A woman may have the reaction of trying to emotionally help a woman who has been raped, where a guy might think buy her pepper spray and teach her self defense. It’s not about not caring, it’s just a different approach.

A marriage works by understanding and accepting those differences, NOT by changing one person to be like the other. You do things together and play off each others strengths. It means you comfort your wife when she needs it, which isn’t the same making yourself feel the same way she does about something.

I may not think something is a big deal, where as it greatly upsets my wife. I’m not wrong for not being upset by it, I’m only wrong if I’m not understanding toward her about it. You don’t have to compromise masculinity for a relationship at all. In fact, a healthy relationship should strengthen it.

The problem is that, today, the feminine way is portrayed as right, and the masculine way wrong, when it isn’t about right or wrong.

But then again, I’m still in my first year of married life, so I may be full of it. I will say that I have learned a lot about women and probably even more about what it is to be a man this year though.

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Gold! I say, gold!

While I think culture has a larger influence then nature, i.e. “how we are built”, I think there is wisdom here.

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[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
I have no scientific studies to back me up, but I believe men today have less testosterone if they were fed formula as a baby, due to the soy and other milk substitutes in it. Putting so much pseudo-estrogens like soy into a tiny infant boy could effect his hormonal development. On the flip side, girls fed formula will develop much earlier.

This is just my opinion, and I breast fed all my kids. The only observation I can make is that my boys were shaving before all their friends, and seem to have more muscle mass. Or it could just be plain old genetics at work. Yo Daddy is a huge, hairy man, so the acorns won’t fall far from the tree.[/quote]

Very very interesting.

Note: fed from the breast

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I’ve been around a while, I’m older than most of you, younger than some. What some of you consider “masculine” ie huntin, and fishin, and chewin, and drinkin, and fightin isn’t. It’s a signifier. It’s some people’s way of saying “I hunt, therefore I’m a man”. There’s nothing inherently masculine about smoking a cigar and there’s noting inherently feminine about figure skating. Thinking a guy isn’t masculine because he likes making lazy 8’s on the ice is intellectually lazy.

I’ve had the same best friend for 40 years. We grew up together, we fished and camped together, got drunk, burned down a barn…anyways, he’s my best friend because I know that if I ever needed him, he’d drop everything to help me out, no questions asked.

I’ve got a woman, too. She honest, loyal, tells it like it is, and if I ever needed her, she’d drop everything to help me out, no questions asked.

So what I think some people miss, is that those positive qualities we consider “masculine” like integrity, honesty, loyality…those don’t just make a good man, they make a good human being. But that’s incomplete. You add those traits that we consider “feminine” like sensitivity, empathy, being in touch with your feelings and now you’ve got a complete, self-actualized human being. Not some caricature of what a man should be, but truly a complete human being.

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[quote]Test Icicle wrote:
I’ve been around a while, I’m older than most of you, younger than some. What some of you consider “masculine” ie huntin, and fishin, and chewin, and drinkin, and fightin isn’t. It’s a signifier. It’s some people’s way of saying “I hunt, therefore I’m a man”. There’s nothing inherently masculine about smoking a cigar and there’s noting inherently feminine about figure skating. Thinking a guy isn’t masculine because he likes making lazy 8’s on the ice is intellectually lazy.

I’ve had the same best friend for 40 years. We grew up together, we fished and camped together, got drunk, burned down a barn…anyways, he’s my best friend because I know that if I ever needed him, he’d drop everything to help me out, no questions asked.

I’ve got a woman, too. She honest, loyal, tells it like it is, and if I ever needed her, she’d drop everything to help me out, no questions asked.

So what I think some people miss, is that those positive qualities we consider “masculine” like integrity, honesty, loyality…those don’t just make a good man, they make a good human being. But that’s incomplete. You add those traits that we consider “feminine” like sensitivity, empathy, being in touch with your feelings and now you’ve got a complete, self-actualized human being. Not some caricature of what a man should be, but truly a complete human being.
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Well said!

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[quote]Test Icicle wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
A woman may have the reaction of trying to emotionally help a woman who has been raped, where a guy might think buy her pepper spray and teach her self defense. It’s not about not caring, it’s just a different approach.
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Should a woman in your life ever tell you that she’s been raped, “Great, now I know what to get you for Christmas!” isn’t the right answer.
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lol good point.

DD, you’d be surprised at the actual response many women may have to a rape victim. It’s not always kindness and comfort either. And men too: sometimes they show a tremendous amount of compassion and empathy for pain they will never experience. There’s no standard response.

That said, if a guy acts like an insensitive ass in response to a delicate situation, citing some bullshit notion of masculinity and nature is just one way of being a pussy and not being accountable for their behavior and falls in line with the tired old bullshit where sitcom dads are incompetent morons because they are men and are incapable of using common sense with situations that make everyone who is human uncomfortable, including crying people, hurt people and people needing care. Being unable to cope with those scenarios is NOT manly.

I know a lot of men like to use their gender as a crutch in this regard but it is just a crutch. It’s no different than women acting weak or dumb to get out of having to something themselves.

Edit: not meaning to jump all over you DD and I’m speaking in generalities, just your quote started my rant.

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[quote]Test Icicle wrote:
I’ve been around a while, I’m older than most of you, younger than some. What some of you consider “masculine” ie huntin, and fishin, and chewin, and drinkin, and fightin isn’t. It’s a signifier. It’s some people’s way of saying “I hunt, therefore I’m a man”. There’s nothing inherently masculine about smoking a cigar and there’s noting inherently feminine about figure skating. Thinking a guy isn’t masculine because he likes making lazy 8’s on the ice is intellectually lazy.[/quote]

Making lazy eights and getting yourself into spandex, lace, sparkles, and shooting yourself up with estrogen is two different things, one is a neutral act the other is feminine. Smoking a strong tart cigar is masculine. I don’t think many men say, “I hunt, therefore I’m a man.”

It’s the opposite, “I’m a man, therefore I like do things like hunt and fish for my family.” “I’m a man, therefore I like to fight to defend the name of my family.” These are masculine activities.

[quote]I’ve had the same best friend for 40 years. We grew up together, we fished and camped together, got drunk, burned down a barn…anyways, he’s my best friend because I know that if I ever needed him, he’d drop everything to help me out, no questions asked.

I’ve got a woman, too. She honest, loyal, tells it like it is, and if I ever needed her, she’d drop everything to help me out, no questions asked.

So what I think some people miss, is that those positive qualities we consider “masculine” like integrity, honesty, loyality…those don’t just make a good man, they make a good human being. But that’s incomplete. You add those traits that we consider “feminine” like sensitivity, empathy, being in touch with your feelings and now you’ve got a complete, self-actualized human being. Not some caricature of what a man should be, but truly a complete human being.
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Man and woman are different. Yes, their virtues are the same (integrity, honesty, loyalty), but how they go about fulfilling those virtues are different in the natural order (kinds) and in different degrees.