Model Dies Anorexia Complications

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[quote]TKL.ca wrote:
Also, the whole notion of “they should just eat more” is an ignorant statement to make. They can’t cure their illness just by themselves.
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Gee. So if not eating more, then what? You mean the cure is to eat less or the same? I think that just might fix the problem for good. Great thinking.

And you’re right. They shouldn’t have to face this problem by themselves… let someone else do it! After all, it was OTHER people that MADE them do this… right? It’s someone else’s fault and they should fix it!

TKL I agree with you 1000%. Thanks for showing my ignorance. But now I know: It’s not THEIR fault.

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
TKL.ca wrote:
Also, the whole notion of “they should just eat more” is an ignorant statement to make. They can’t cure their illness just by themselves.

Gee. So if not eating more, then what? You mean the cure is to eat less or the same? I think that just might fix the problem for good. Great thinking.

And you’re right. They shouldn’t have to face this problem by themselves… let someone else do it! After all, it was OTHER people that MADE them do this… right? It’s someone else’s fault and they should fix it!

TKL I agree with you 1000%. Thanks for showing my ignorance. But now I know: It’s not THEIR fault.[/quote]

It’s your right to think how you want. I agree with you. I dont have any sympathy for people who starve themselves, i dont fucking care what other people say. especially people with food widely available to them.

You dont see this shit in the animal kingdom. Half the world starving to death and some people refusing to eat. what the hell is wrong with people.

Some people like to molest children, and some people like having sex with animals…is that society’s fault as well? When does personal responsibility start?

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[quote]baretta wrote:
You dont see this shit in the animal kingdom. Half the world starving to death and some people refusing to eat. what the hell is wrong with people.
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You’re right. You dont see this in the animal kingdom. But animals are VERY different from human beings.

People who make statements like “what the hell is wrong with people?” must never have taken any sort of psychology class. The mind is an EXTREMELY powerful thing. In many cases more powerful than the body.

This is obviously a case of the mind overpowering the body. Its sad that it ended up in her death.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
People who make statements like “what the hell is wrong with people?” must never have taken any sort of psychology class. The mind is an EXTREMELY powerful thing. In many cases more powerful than the body.

This is obviously a case of the mind overpowering the body. Its sad that it ended up in her death.[/quote]

There is nothing wrong with them. They are just weak. They refuse to accept the fact that this is THEIR problem. It’s their own damn fault and they did it to themselves.

Nobody did it. Not the media. Not their friends. No one else.

It was their choice to be this way and accept this sickly image and its their own choice to go back. They are not powerless and they don’t need any psychological treatment.

What they need is a wakeup call. And maybe some drugs/herbs or something to help restore their bodily functions and finally eat something.

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
What they need is a wakeup call. And maybe some drugs/herbs or something to help restore their bodily functions and finally eat something.[/quote]

They need…

SQUATS AND MILK!

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
They are not powerless and they don’t need any psychological treatment.

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Most eating disorders, if not all, are actually recognized by psychiatric associations (both canadian and american). If it was as easy as saying “please eat something or else you are going to starve yourself to death”, there would be very few cases. Instead there are deeper psychological issues that need to be addressed. Rehabilitation for these people is a combination both of nutrition counseling, psychological treatment, medication, and encouragement from their friends/family.

My current girlfriend was an amazing athlete during highschool in volleyball (chosen to play for university of alberta CIS vball team) and track. She was in amazing shape and definitely not “weak” as you would say. Something happened near the end of high school that caused her to develop an eating disorder. She denied it for a couple years (because nobody cared or thought it was a serious condition) until it got worse and finally sought treatment. Now things are good and very happy for her. (trying to get her to do the 5x5 workouts with me, haha =] )

I guess the message I’m trying to send is that don’t be so quick to judge people who have a condition like an eating disorder. Someone close to you could very well have one and your help could mean either life or death.

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[quote]alownage wrote:
Also, I don’t know how god damn warped you would have to be to dictate that all women need to weigh under 100 pounds to be “beautiful.” I hope one of these days somebody in the modeling industry gets charged with something for threating one of their models with dismissal if she didn’t stay at a certain weight.

I really don’t know who came up with this myophobic heroin-chic crap, but they need to die.[/quote]

The “Unattainable” Goal. What sort of aura would Ronnie Coleman inspire if every man could become like him without some out of the ordinary effort? Answer: None. People would then start looking out for the new Mr. Extraordinarily Big in a flash.

Same thing for models. The “Unattainable” standard.

Ambition is a good thing. But walking on the line separating life and death to attain it is rather … questionable.

It’s kind of ironic that a good portion of males look up to be as big, if not more, than Ronnie C. and that the opposite extreme standard exists for females.

Looking good is one thing. Transforming it into a life-or-death issue is another. Maybe these girls should look out for something else. Looks eventually fade away. Shelf life comes rather quickly in the modeling world. But if we take this issue as a mental illness, then the ‘warnings’ probably have no effect.

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Guys, some of you need to step down from your holier than thou boxes and accept that other people are going to make mistakes.

Watch out, you might find that you make mistakes, or poor choices, at times as well!

Seriously, develop some humanity. It’s not really about assigning blame and responsibility and then washing your hands of the situation.

I’m not saying you have to blame society or excuse people from their actions, but deep down most people are weak. Everyone out there is trying to find ways to capitalize on our weaknesses.

They sell us booze, drugs, cigarettes, fast food, dangerously thin models that you’ve surely beaten off to once or twice and whatever else we’ll use, consume or whatever when in many ways we should know better.

Are you seriously going to condemn 99% of the planet for not being perfect? Grow up and develop some compassion for the state of humanity in the world. Maybe, just sometimes, lend a hand or some sympathy to others that aren’t as fortunate as you seem to be.

You aren’t weak yourself if you show compassion to others or forgive them for their faults and weaknesses.

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
People who make statements like “what the hell is wrong with people?” must never have taken any sort of psychology class. The mind is an EXTREMELY powerful thing. In many cases more powerful than the body.

This is obviously a case of the mind overpowering the body. Its sad that it ended up in her death.

There is nothing wrong with them. They are just weak. They refuse to accept the fact that this is THEIR problem. It’s their own damn fault and they did it to themselves.

Nobody did it. Not the media. Not their friends. No one else.

It was their choice to be this way and accept this sickly image and its their own choice to go back. They are not powerless and they don’t need any psychological treatment.

What they need is a wakeup call. And maybe some drugs/herbs or something to help restore their bodily functions and finally eat something.[/quote]

While you’re dictating that they refuse to accept the fact that its their problem, you’re refusing to understad the nature of the disease.

“There is nothing wrong with them. They are just weak.” is a pretty damn ignorant statement. So, you’re saying theres nothing wrong with them? Shit, theres a whole lot wrong with them, they’re starving themselves to death for starters.

And as for them being weak, you’re still not understanding how powerful the mind is. Is it safe to say that you’d call the millions of people in America on antidepressants and other psychological disorder drugs are weak, because, you know, its their fault for being depressed?

I’m not saying anyone did it to them, but if you knew the nature vs. nurture debate, you’d know that environment (nurture) has about equal the effect on your actions/thoughts as your DNA (nature) does. They, soley by themselves, did not do this to them. No one will have a definite answer to who had the greatest effect, but its alot more than just saying “they did it to themselves.”

In short, yes, they do need psychological treatment. Anorexia is catagorized as a psychological disorder.

People with eating disorders DO get wakeup calls. They get them pretty often, they just dont listen to them because they (read: their mind) cant realize what they’re doing to themselves.

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WOO HOO!!!

I like it!!!

Sounds like the smallest form of natural selection we have today, embrace it folks, it rearely happens.

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
TKL.ca wrote:
Also, the whole notion of “they should just eat more” is an ignorant statement to make. They can’t cure their illness just by themselves.

Gee. So if not eating more, then what? You mean the cure is to eat less or the same? I think that just might fix the problem for good. Great thinking.

And you’re right. They shouldn’t have to face this problem by themselves… let someone else do it! After all, it was OTHER people that MADE them do this… right? It’s someone else’s fault and they should fix it!

TKL I agree with you 1000%. Thanks for showing my ignorance. But now I know: It’s not THEIR fault.[/quote]

You are really very ignorant regarding mental illness. I bet you think schizophrenics should just ‘become’ sane too.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
You are really very ignorant regarding mental illness. I bet you think schizophrenics should just ‘become’ sane too.[/quote]

No, that stuff should be treated. Its a severe physical problem with the brain.

Its mis-wired. Not only that but there are also chemical imbalances which cause them do do abnormal shit. Its beyond psychological. It needs physical treatment.

Now explain to me how: “I’m going to starve myself to be thin” A mental illness?

Maybe smokers have a mental illness too? They just CAN’T STOP. Its too damn addictive.

What about drunks? Maybe they have a mental disease too?

What about people who become addicted to drugs? Do they have a mental illness?

No.

They are just weak.

Either by being stupid and getting physically addicted to the drug in the first place (I’ll just try it a few times then I’m giving up the cocaine), or by not giving it up and continuing to keep using the shit knowing full well the damage that its causing them and not doing a damn thing about it (weak character).

They did it to THEMSELVES. I have no sympathy for such cases. If you smoke then get sick and get emphysema… its your own damn fault.

I don’t care if its the “cool” thing to do. I don’t care if your entire family smokes. I don’t care how addictive it is. You Make the choice the put the damn cigarette into your mouth, knowing full well the consequences.

Same thing with the anorexics. I have no sympathy for people who mutilate themselves that way. Who would disrespect their own bodies and endangering their lives by being so damn thin. They are not victims of anything. They are the abusers.

What they need is a mental kick in the ass (a physical one would break them) and some proper food.

And maybe some chemical help from the doctor to get their body and mind running normal again.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
baretta wrote:
You dont see this shit in the animal kingdom. Half the world starving to death and some people refusing to eat. what the hell is wrong with people.

You’re right. You dont see this in the animal kingdom. But animals are VERY different from human beings.

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That is a very debatable statement. What makes us so different?

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We ARE animals, we’re just really smart ones…most of the time anyway.

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
Is it safe to say that you’d call the millions of people in America on antidepressants and other psychological disorder drugs are weak, because, you know, its their fault for being depressed?[/quote]

You’re damn right it is. I have suffered from depression. As well my mother was also on drugs for awhile to combat this shit. It kind of runs in the family.

So don’t you fucking tell me how it is.

IT IS a mental weakness. A lack of discipline within the mind. Letting all this negative shit enter your brain and wreak havok inside. I know this because I was afflicted by this shit for the past 5-6 years. And only when I took responsibility for it and changed my lifestyle and environment has it made a difference. It still affects me(I think its genetic?), but a hell of alot less than before.

My mother has improved also. She pretty much did the same thing. Got rid of negative shit, changed her eating habits, and got rid of some bad people in her life. She is alot better also. Though she still takes some beefy natural extracts everyday because its still lurking.

And who chose the environment? Was it fate? Was it the gods? Maybe it was their family/partner/boss that made them stay there. You’re so right. It MUST be someone else’s fault. And they can’t do a damn thing about it.

Think about it. The model in the story above. Its not like she could just complete her contract and then not work for the same douchebag… could she? Naaah… She is completely powerless. She had to work so she could starve herself.

I guarantee you that the psychological part is the effect caused by the physiological part. Of course they are going to be all crazy if they starve themselves. Do you realize what it does to the brain?

What they need is to eat. To restore the body chemistry back to normal. They don’t need a shrink. They need a doctor, and a nutritionist.

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People with eating disorders DO get wakeup calls. They get them pretty often, they just dont listen to them because they (read: their mind) cant realize what they’re doing to themselves.[/quote]

Then that’s not a wakeup call… is it?

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[quote]StevenF wrote:
We ARE animals, we’re just really smart ones…most of the time anyway. [/quote]

Nah. Its like 20% of us are really smart to make up for the rest 80% who are complete sheep.

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[quote]brucevangeorge wrote:
They did it to THEMSELVES. I have no sympathy for such cases. If you smoke then get sick and get emphysema… its your own damn fault.

I don’t care if its the “cool” thing to do. I don’t care if your entire family smokes. I don’t care how addictive it is. You Make the choice the put the damn cigarette into your mouth, knowing full well the consequences.

Same thing with the anorexics. I have no sympathy for people who mutilate themselves that way. Who would disrespect their own bodies and endangering their lives by being so damn thin. They are not victims of anything. They are the abusers.[/quote]

It makes me sad just read such judgmental bullshit like this. Look, if someone dies of something, at a young age, whether self-induced or not, it is a tragic event.

Opportunity lost. Potential destroyed. You need to get off of the “everybody has to be perfect” tirade. If I speed five miles over the limit, do I deserve to die if I hit unsuspected road conditions?

What if I can’t afford winter tires, but I drive carefully? Hell, why didn’t I just stay home, I knew the weather was bad that day.

Life isn’t purely about living perfectly and accepting responsibility for all ills that befall us. There are too many things to track, too many things to know, too much misinformation and not enough education.

How the heck you can expect everyone in the world to find all the important information, not get mislead by other information, and be able to tell the difference when all those around them cannot, is beyond me.

We all start out naive and stupid.

People don’t deserve to die just for being simple and uninformed. If you want to argue that, you need to apply it to people that have actually done something where they have earned justice or judgment.

Every time you post such nonsense you just show yourself to be a cold hearted judgmental fool. Congratulations.

That being said, I’m not against personal responsibility. People need to make decisions and accept the consequences all the time. However, we need to realize that people are human, mistakes are made and perfect information is not available.

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[quote]baretta wrote:
That is a very debatable statement. What makes us so different? [/quote]

Opposable thumbs.

I make joke.

Who really knows?

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In reading this thread I have determined that apparently I am deserving of death, without sympathy.

Yes, it’s true.

You see, when I was growing up I ate much more junk food than I should. I obviously deserve any ill fate that might befall me.

Then, later, I was a sedentary desk jockey, which surely has cardiovascular implications. Yikes, the choices I made! So, see, here too I obviously deserve to die.

Even now, though I know better, I usually don’t eat enough vegetables. Yes, indeed, again, I willfully make choices and deserve to die, so that the planet will be better off.

Nice logic. Try joining the human race some day…

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[quote]vroom wrote:
In reading this thread I have determined that apparently I am deserving of death, without sympathy.

Yes, it’s true.

You see, when I was growing up I ate much more junk food than I should. I obviously deserve any ill fate that might befall me.

Then, later, I was a sedentary desk jockey, which surely has cardiovascular implications. Yikes, the choices I made! So, see, here too I obviously deserve to die.

Even now, though I know better, I usually don’t eat enough vegetables. Yes, indeed, again, I willfully make choices and deserve to die, so that the planet will be better off.

Nice logic. Try joining the human race some day…[/quote]

I must say that I completely agree. It seems everyone around here needs to get off their high horse and realize that not everyone makes great decisions all the time.

It’s easy to stand at a distance and talk about how “weak” someone was.