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muay Thai
Time: 90 min.
Notes: Worked a lot of slips and parry’s off an opponent’s jab or cross, then followed the slip/parry up with either an inside or outside leg kick and a cross or hook. Also did a neat little combo where you slip a jab, come in with a lead uppercut, follow it with a cross-left hook.

Did some conditioning work at the end, which included a pretty brutal ab circuit, including the torturous crunches where you hang off your partner (wrap your legs around his waist). Those are killers.

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Question for the posters: What drove you to start training in MMA (or whatever martial art you currently practice)?

For me, there were a couple of reasons. One is that I’ve been a fan of the UFC from the early days (watched some Pride, but didn’t get to see it as often as UFC). I took karate for a few years as a kid, but stopped once I started spending more time playing baseball and basketball. But, I’ve always had an interest in martial arts and a little over a year ago I began to grow bored with just going to the gym and lifting; so I decided to sign up for MMA classes to train like a fighter and push myself in new ways.

The other reason was that I wanted to do something that would boost my self-confidence. I had real bad anxiety/panic attacks in late-2005 and early 2006. Once I got those under control, I thought what better way to push myself out of my comfort zone and overcome some fears than to start taking martial arts classes. It’s definitely been a great move, as I have gained more confidence in myself and my anxiety is under control.

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I wanted to do better in my backyard fights we put on Youtube.

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I’m the exact opposite. I can’t loose myself in the katas and actually get very annoyed doing them. I can’t do anything that I don’t see the greatest bennefit from. MMA is best for me for self defense and no matter how bad my day went and how emotional I am a hard day of mma training allways calms me down.

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have u guys seen horse fighting that shits pretty crazy

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
JRT6 wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:That’s kind of the reason I go for the traditional over MMA- it’s as much spiritual as it is physical. And though I love boxing and grappling, nothing uses all facets of yourself like trying to do a Sanchin kata…

I’m the exact opposite. I can’t loose myself in the katas and actually get very annoyed doing them. I can’t do anything that I don’t see the greatest bennefit from. MMA is best for me for self defense and no matter how bad my day went and how emotional I am a hard day of mma training allways calms me down.

I hear you. Different strokes for different folks. But while I enjoy training in MMA, I would likely take the traditional types over it.

I don’t want to debate it, but I truly believe there is a gigantic benefit from katas. There is something to be said for all the martial arts… that’s probably why they survive for so long.[/quote]

There is a Kali place a couple of counties away from me. A little too far but that is a TMA I would give another shot trying.

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djwlfpak- I’m not sure I’m familiar with the choke you were using, how were your hands locked? were they mata leoned? or did you have your hand in the sleeve of your gi for an ezekiel choke? You can do a no-gi variation where you put the hand of the arm that is behind the head on the opposite arm’s bicep and then press down with that, but it is a hard choke to finish if your opponent has any clue as to what he’s doing.

I’m not reallly sure how I got into training. I wrestled in highschool. my brother learned about a bjj academy here while we were living together and I went with him to check it out and we’ve been doing it ever since (3 years)

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
djwlfpak- I’m not sure I’m familiar with the choke you were using, how were your hands locked? were they mata leoned? or did you have your hand in the sleeve of your gi for an ezekiel choke? You can do a no-gi variation where you put the hand of the arm that is behind the head on the opposite arm’s bicep and then press down with that, but it is a hard choke to finish if your opponent has any clue as to what he’s doing.

I’m not reallly sure how I got into training. I wrestled in highschool. my brother learned about a bjj academy here while we were living together and I went with him to check it out and we’ve been doing it ever since (3 years) [/quote]

Slimjim,
Yes…it was the no-Gi variation of the ezekiel choke. I was kind of surprised I got it, but the guy kind of just let me have it (I think he was gassed). Thanks for mentioning that, as soon as I read it I said to myself ‘there it is’.

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Strength Workout

1A. Clean & Press, 5x5: 125 (5)
1B. Mixed-grip pullup, 5x8-10: BW (10, 10, 10, 10, 9)
2A. DB Bench, 3x5: 80 (5)
2B. 1-arm DB rows, 3x6-8: 80 (6)
3. MB situps, 1x50: BW + 20 (50)

Time: 30 min.
Notes: Good workout considering I was on a rushed schedule b/c of work. Should be hitting BJJ (Gi) tomorrow night.

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[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
Strength Workout

1A. Clean & Press, 5x5: 125 (5)
1B. Mixed-grip pullup, 5x8-10: BW (10, 10, 10, 10, 9)
2A. DB Bench, 3x5: 80 (5)
2B. 1-arm DB rows, 3x6-8: 80 (6)
3. MB situps, 1x50: BW + 20 (50)

Time: 30 min.
Notes: Good workout considering I was on a rushed schedule b/c of work. Should be hitting BJJ (Gi) tomorrow night.[/quote]

djwlfpack, that looks like a good workout if ur short on time. did you do the exercises A and B as alternating sets or supersets?

jus askin

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Figure now that I’m back on the mat I should post on this shit.

Went to BJJ(n/gi) today and it was fun, apart from a terrorist calf cramp that refused to go away after a match with one leg hooked in the back mount the whole time fighting constantly for the other hook etc.

All in all it went well. Didn’t get overly gassed. I put myself in a few bad spots with the beginners and it mostly worked out well.

One guy i didn’t recognize (not saying much, I often fail to recognize my own dick) was really trying to put it to me. This is unusual because most new guys/beginners/intermediates are super cautious of me and give me way too much respect. This guy was like fuck you, you’re getting this kimura bitch! (didn’t actually speak, that’s me with the words in his mouth) I pulled out fairly handily but really was impressed by his ballzyness.

So I was very interested to see what this guy would do. Sure enough I shift out to the knees in a side to side position and he tries some ‘judo-esque’ throwing from the knees with an overhook. Im loving his tenacity as I blck the throws with my face, to which he asks if im ok, to which I say oh yeah.

So then I tap him a couple times and he realizes whats up but nonetheless continues to fight in a focused and aggressive manner. This is unusual for beginners who typically fight in simply an unfocused manner. So I attribute this to some judo or other experience outside our club.

Cool experience though.

I wanted to do MMA class but because most of our fighters are fighting this weekend there was little sparring and mostly technique. so I helped teach for a bit and then went home to have my scalding hot shower.

Good to see everything is going well for all on this thread. For me o-lifting classes have taken up my thai boxing time but hopefully I can switch it up a bit in the future.

Also: Power GnP. I must know you. Who do you train with?? Are you in lethbridge or calgary? Are you going to the BUDO fight series this weekend? If so we should meet up and have a non-ghey, small-world internet in real life meet up. Are any of your boys fighting in BUDO or Hardcore (what a ghey name for a fight card. Anyone who self identifies as “hardcore” is surely in need of a “strap-on”).

have fun kids.

-chris

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Avocado, I am unsure of whether or not we know each other. I have lived in Edmonton for 2ish years and train out of Munduruca/Cardina BJJ in Sherwood Park under black belt Kyle Cardinal, and I train MMA/Muay Thai/Western Boxing at Panther gym in DT Edmonton.

I won’t be at the BUDO this weekend, first I’ve heard of it actually, sounds like a fairly small show? Mostly local fighters? I will be going to the HFC on the first of Feb thought…I agree, terrible name for a promotion. I have a training partner whos fighting on it…lil nog, you may know him? Just kidding, its Tim Hague. Yah man we could meet up for sure, what are your seats?

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No idea about my seats yet. I’ve still to acquire tickets.

Good old alberta is a small place these days and I thought maybe you were one of lee meins guys. Nonetheless how is that munduruca gym? you have a good set of guys or just a few training partners?

I know edmonton has had a very hard go of keeping good martial arts gyms going but hopefully it will not continue. It seems just as good a city as any other to promote MMA.

Are you all going to the grappling tourney/continuous kickboxing tourney at the end of the month in lethbridge? If so ill see you there but if not ill try and let you know where the fuck I am at hardcore, which is obviously the most bad ass fight card on earth, I mean, look at the name.

either or have some good training till then lads.

-chris

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[quote]Young O wrote:
Djwlfpack wrote:
Strength Workout

1A. Clean & Press, 5x5: 125 (5)
1B. Mixed-grip pullup, 5x8-10: BW (10, 10, 10, 10, 9)
2A. DB Bench, 3x5: 80 (5)
2B. 1-arm DB rows, 3x6-8: 80 (6)
3. MB situps, 1x50: BW + 20 (50)

Time: 30 min.
Notes: Good workout considering I was on a rushed schedule b/c of work. Should be hitting BJJ (Gi) tomorrow night.

djwlfpack, that looks like a good workout if ur short on time. did you do the exercises A and B as alternating sets or supersets?

jus askin[/quote]

I would hazard a correct guess at alternating sets because it is WS4SB template. He’d be short shifting himself if he were super setting. No real need for fatigue training outside of the mat.

-chris

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Just getting in late on this thread. I’ve done jujutsu (not BJJ) for about 25 years and run a large school.

One earlier topic was ab work. The best payback I’ve found is isometric ab work, rather than just doing a ton of crunches or situps. Although I do use situps (various types) as a diagnostic warmup, that’s not what you use them for much in MA.

Why did I start? Actually I already had a black belt in taekwondo when I met up with my first jujutsu guy who repeatedly handed me my ass, so I decided to train with him and haven’t looked back. Of course, that isn’t the question to ask. My experience is what get folks in the door is not what keeps them training.

Most people have no idea what an MA does so (this me talking as evil sensei) I usually just ignore their professed reason, nodding my assent. If they find a reason to stay, then we’ll get serious. This usually takes a few months. Yes, I encourage them, but I get guys who want to do movie shit and when they find out that it doesn’t work or heaven forbid they have to sweat, they quit.

Oh, as for kata… Good kata is a real-time 3-D interactive instruction manual in body dynamics. Most martial arts have really sucky kata though and the people that teach it have no F-ing clue what they are doing to boot. You think your kata is stupid? Go find the most senior guy in the system and ask him what it does. If his answers are stupid too then you really don’t have to worry about kata in your system.

Truth: most MA suck big blocky nuts. They can, however, be a great social environment. I used to get hung up on which ones work, but don’t much anymore. Great training can offset lousy techniques, so effectiveness is a lot trickier question than most people think.

I probably should shut up.

Cheers,

–jj

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
Figure now that I’m back on the mat I should post on this shit.

Went to BJJ(n/gi) today and it was fun, apart from a terrorist calf cramp that refused to go away after a match with one leg hooked in the back mount the whole time fighting constantly for the other hook etc.

All in all it went well. Didn’t get overly gassed. I put myself in a few bad spots with the beginners and it mostly worked out well.

One guy i didn’t recognize (not saying much, I often fail to recognize my own dick) was really trying to put it to me. This is unusual because most new guys/beginners/intermediates are super cautious of me and give me way too much respect. This guy was like fuck you, you’re getting this kimura bitch! (didn’t actually speak, that’s me with the words in his mouth) I pulled out fairly handily but really was impressed by his ballzyness.

So I was very interested to see what this guy would do. Sure enough I shift out to the knees in a side to side position and he tries some ‘judo-esque’ throwing from the knees with an overhook. Im loving his tenacity as I blck the throws with my face, to which he asks if im ok, to which I say oh yeah.

So then I tap him a couple times and he realizes whats up but nonetheless continues to fight in a focused and aggressive manner. This is unusual for beginners who typically fight in simply an unfocused manner. So I attribute this to some judo or other experience outside our club.

Cool experience though.

I wanted to do MMA class but because most of our fighters are fighting this weekend there was little sparring and mostly technique. so I helped teach for a bit and then went home to have my scalding hot shower.

Good to see everything is going well for all on this thread. For me o-lifting classes have taken up my thai boxing time but hopefully I can switch it up a bit in the future.

Also: Power GnP. I must know you. Who do you train with?? Are you in lethbridge or calgary? Are you going to the BUDO fight series this weekend? If so we should meet up and have a non-ghey, small-world internet in real life meet up. Are any of your boys fighting in BUDO or Hardcore (what a ghey name for a fight card. Anyone who self identifies as “hardcore” is surely in need of a “strap-on”).

have fun kids.

-chris

[/quote]

chris

do you know anything about danzan ryu jiu jitsu?

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[quote]Young O wrote:
Avocado wrote:
Figure now that I’m back on the mat I should post on this shit.

Went to BJJ(n/gi) today and it was fun, apart from a terrorist calf cramp that refused to go away after a match with one leg hooked in the back mount the whole time fighting constantly for the other hook etc.

All in all it went well. Didn’t get overly gassed. I put myself in a few bad spots with the beginners and it mostly worked out well.

One guy i didn’t recognize (not saying much, I often fail to recognize my own dick) was really trying to put it to me. This is unusual because most new guys/beginners/intermediates are super cautious of me and give me way too much respect. This guy was like fuck you, you’re getting this kimura bitch! (didn’t actually speak, that’s me with the words in his mouth) I pulled out fairly handily but really was impressed by his ballzyness.

So I was very interested to see what this guy would do. Sure enough I shift out to the knees in a side to side position and he tries some ‘judo-esque’ throwing from the knees with an overhook. Im loving his tenacity as I blck the throws with my face, to which he asks if im ok, to which I say oh yeah.

So then I tap him a couple times and he realizes whats up but nonetheless continues to fight in a focused and aggressive manner. This is unusual for beginners who typically fight in simply an unfocused manner. So I attribute this to some judo or other experience outside our club.

Cool experience though.

I wanted to do MMA class but because most of our fighters are fighting this weekend there was little sparring and mostly technique. so I helped teach for a bit and then went home to have my scalding hot shower.

Good to see everything is going well for all on this thread. For me o-lifting classes have taken up my thai boxing time but hopefully I can switch it up a bit in the future.

Also: Power GnP. I must know you. Who do you train with?? Are you in lethbridge or calgary? Are you going to the BUDO fight series this weekend? If so we should meet up and have a non-ghey, small-world internet in real life meet up. Are any of your boys fighting in BUDO or Hardcore (what a ghey name for a fight card. Anyone who self identifies as “hardcore” is surely in need of a “strap-on”).

have fun kids.

-chris

[/quote]
Also, tell me everything you think i should know about going into jiujitsu, because im going to try it for the first time in a bout a week

thank you

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[quote]Young O wrote:
chris

do you know anything about danzan ryu jiu jitsu?[/quote]

Oooh-oooh a qustion on T-Nation I can finally answer!

Although this is not addressed to me, I know a fair amount about the system. I’ve known several (very senior) practitioners over the years and have either had students of DZR come into my dojo or, when they move away, sent my students to DZR.

It is a very good, solid system. There are national standards that are pretty well adhered to and generally the level of instruction is excellent. The system was founded in the 1930’s by a Japanese American named Henry Okazaki who lived in Hawaii. Danzan ryu fairly literally means “the Hawaiin School.” At that time Judo was considered the ultimate fighting art (every decade or two it changes, ho-hum). DZR is based heavily on it, plus several other systems, such as Hawaiian Lua that Okazaki studied. It is not uncommon for DZR schools to also train really topnotch (as in Olympic quality) judo players.

You know all that deep tissue work people have discovered and tout here? That’s beena traditional part of most jujutsu systems for years and DZR has a truly excellent system of it called seifukujutsu. If you have plans on doing any sort of sport in a professional or semi-pro capacity, it is probably worth it alone to go study their massage (can be done separately from the MA parts of DZR these days).

I can go on at length, but what do you want to know and what are your training goals? If you have a specific school you are interested in I can snoop for you.

Cheers,

– jj

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[quote]Avocado wrote:
Young O wrote:
Djwlfpack wrote:
Strength Workout

1A. Clean & Press, 5x5: 125 (5)
1B. Mixed-grip pullup, 5x8-10: BW (10, 10, 10, 10, 9)
2A. DB Bench, 3x5: 80 (5)
2B. 1-arm DB rows, 3x6-8: 80 (6)
3. MB situps, 1x50: BW + 20 (50)

Time: 30 min.
Notes: Good workout considering I was on a rushed schedule b/c of work. Should be hitting BJJ (Gi) tomorrow night.

djwlfpack, that looks like a good workout if ur short on time. did you do the exercises A and B as alternating sets or supersets?

jus askin

I would hazard a correct guess at alternating sets because it is WS4SB template. He’d be short shifting himself if he were super setting. No real need for fatigue training outside of the mat.

-chris[/quote]

You are correct, Chris. Although the program did call for the exercises to be super-setted, there was just no way to do that effectively. I tried it for a set and could barely get 5 pullups when taking no rest after the cleans.

I’m so pissed! I had to skip BJJ tonight to go cover a girls basketball game for work. Found out yesterday we have early deadlines (we’re a group of weekly papers) for next week, so I had to re-arrange my schedule at the last minute and instead of having tonight and tomorrow off, now have to work and miss BJJ and MMA (which I was going to start tomorrow).

Hopefully I’ll get to to train Thursday and Saturday…

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[quote]Young O wrote:
Young O wrote:
Avocado wrote:
Figure now that I’m back on the mat I should post on this shit.

Went to BJJ(n/gi) today and it was fun, apart from a terrorist calf cramp that refused to go away after a match with one leg hooked in the back mount the whole time fighting constantly for the other hook etc.

All in all it went well. Didn’t get overly gassed. I put myself in a few bad spots with the beginners and it mostly worked out well.

One guy i didn’t recognize (not saying much, I often fail to recognize my own dick) was really trying to put it to me. This is unusual because most new guys/beginners/intermediates are super cautious of me and give me way too much respect. This guy was like fuck you, you’re getting this kimura bitch! (didn’t actually speak, that’s me with the words in his mouth) I pulled out fairly handily but really was impressed by his ballzyness.

So I was very interested to see what this guy would do. Sure enough I shift out to the knees in a side to side position and he tries some ‘judo-esque’ throwing from the knees with an overhook. Im loving his tenacity as I blck the throws with my face, to which he asks if im ok, to which I say oh yeah.

So then I tap him a couple times and he realizes whats up but nonetheless continues to fight in a focused and aggressive manner. This is unusual for beginners who typically fight in simply an unfocused manner. So I attribute this to some judo or other experience outside our club.

Cool experience though.

I wanted to do MMA class but because most of our fighters are fighting this weekend there was little sparring and mostly technique. so I helped teach for a bit and then went home to have my scalding hot shower.

Good to see everything is going well for all on this thread. For me o-lifting classes have taken up my thai boxing time but hopefully I can switch it up a bit in the future.

Also: Power GnP. I must know you. Who do you train with?? Are you in lethbridge or calgary? Are you going to the BUDO fight series this weekend? If so we should meet up and have a non-ghey, small-world internet in real life meet up. Are any of your boys fighting in BUDO or Hardcore (what a ghey name for a fight card. Anyone who self identifies as “hardcore” is surely in need of a “strap-on”).

have fun kids.

-chris

Also, tell me everything you think i should know about going into jiujitsu, because im going to try it for the first time in a bout a week

thank you
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Honestly…this should be up to your sensi, and you will learn as you progress.

Go into your first class with an open mind, a sponge. Bring both a gi (I would suggest golden weave, strength of double without the weight), a pair of mma or long beach shorts, spare t-shirt or rash guard, knee sleeves and a white belt (which may of came with your gi).

Make sure your plenty loose and warmed up (although most classes will start with a warm up of some sort and streching). The biggest accomplishment you should expect from you first few classes is learning how to stay relaxed. Don’t tense and panic when in a vunerable position, stay focused and try to find a way out. Remember jiu jitsu was created to allowed smaller and essentially weaker opponents to defend against and submit larger, stronger opponents, although strength does help, it rarely beats an opponent with superior technique.