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Long day of training today.

Started off riding the bike at a medium pace for 10 minutes, stetched.

We began with practicing shooting, and combining it with focus mitt work. First guy has a harness around his waist which is attached to a 400lb tire by a bungee cord. Second guy wears the mitts and in between combos the first guy shoots in for a takedowns, the bungee cord creates resistance forcing you to shoot in a stable position with more speed then you normally would, or it will lay you out on your ass. Third guy is on the rowing machine. We all did each position three times for 3 minute rounds.

Next was pad work, kicks and knees. Three times each, three minutes. Cut kicks, body kick, flying knees, knees to the body from the clinch, push kicks and a few high kicks.

Then it was off to BJJ. Gi work. General warm up followed by judo take downs drills modified for bjj. Did some rolling for 30 minutes.

[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
I thought I’d add something to the thread that doesn’t get talked about much, and took me some time to learn the importance of. Good training partners.

For a long time, I’d always thought of MMA as a pretty solitary sport. I had to put in the hard work to be successful, no-one was going to win that fight for me but myself, and I liked that element of it. I trained/sparred with team-mates/coaches at class, but after class it was up to me to when it came to conditioning and strength work-outs.
JR[/quote]

I know what you mean, there was alot of politics within our group up until a month before the holidays…you started to forget what you were there for, to train. Some guys left and the rest of us split into two groups basically. Was it the best thing we could of done? Maybe not, but I think we’re all pretty happy now, doing what we’re there for, training, not arguing.

[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
JR, I just hope there’s no awkward man-hugs between you and your training partner while you are running through shallow water on the beach (in half-shirts, short pants and knee-high socks), ala Rocky III.[/quote]

LOL!

ADCC 2003 - Marcelo Garcia (in the black rash guard) vs. Mike Van Arsdale

One of my favorite no gi bjj’ers, his alias is “the human backpack” and for good reason.

This thread is great. I am curious about weight cutting. Optimum weight cutting. I always see the boxers(kickboxers) eating one meal a day(or nothing) when they are trying to make weight for a fight. Training for mma is much more grueling though, with the strength work, grappling, stand-up, plus longer rounds all having to be trained. I see a guy like Forrest who supposedly walks around at 240 pounds making 205 and not it having affect his performance.

What is their cutting protocol? 10, 15, 20 pounds is manageable, but 30 plus pounds and maintaining the training regimen for mma(drug free) I would like to know how they do that. Does anybody know? I know some boxers cut 40 or more pounds but many of those guys just stop training after a fight and just eat. Alot of times these guys careers start to head downhill when they have to start cutting 30-40 pounds, they look slow and tired in the ring. Though alot of the mma guys, Forrest and Franklin come to mind seem to be able to cut weight without it affecting their performance.

I really don’t know the specifics of what Forrest or Franklin do for losing that weight.

I do however know a thing or two about losing weight for competitions. I walk around at 210-215 on any given day, compete at 185 in MMA and 198 in powerlifting.

First off, to alot of guys cutting weight doesn’t make sense, it always did to me. If you go into a competition with a 185lb weight limit having cut from 210 then there is little doubt that you will be one of the biggest and strongest in that division (given bodyfat levels). In most organizations you will also have 20-30 hours to fully recover, which should be more then enough.

Up the cardio in the last few weeks before the fight, and make sure your diet is on track, that will matter later.

Restricting Fluids

When you increase your bodys fluid intake notches above what it usually is per day, say from 3 litres to 2 gallons your body becomes aware of that excess water and starts emptying it as fast as possible. Normally your body will hold onto water because it knows it may need it for important processes within your body, but when you pump it full of water it believes that it will have more then enough for these processes and starts to get rid of the excess.

I’m off to the gym now, I’ll elbaorate more when I get home.

Now that I think about it heres part of an article by Martin Rooney on the same subject…same stuff, but less writing for me.

"Fluid Restriction

The simplest and most effective way to begin the weight cutting process is to decrease or stop fluid intake. Your body is constantly losing fluid by breathing, sweating and urination. Every minute and hour that this goes by without replacing the fluid, you will lose weight. This process takes no extra energy from a fighter to complete, and you can lose up to 5-6 pounds in 24 hours without drinking. My athletes never go over 24 hours without fluid, and we usually start the fluid restriction exactly 24 hours before the weigh in. Before beginning the fluid restriction, there are some tricks to losing the maximum amount of fluid over that 24 hours.

For the fifth, fourth and third days before the weigh in, I have my athletes consume 2 gallons of water a day. They carry the gallon jug around with them so they know how much fluid they are taking in. At this time, the athlete also can be more liberal with sodium in his diet (we don�??t go heavy on the sodium, but a little increase can help later as you will see). This increased water intake triggers hormones in the body to excrete more urine than usual. This response will be essential in losing fluid the day before the weigh in. Two days before the weigh in, the fighter cuts the fluid intake to one gallon of water, and cuts out the sodium from the diet. Finally, the last day before the weigh in, the fighter takes in no fluids, no sodium, and only food that I will describe later. This process is effortless, and only requires a little discipline and tolerance of a dry mouth.

Sweating

The next most popular way to decrease weight before a weigh in is to sweat out fluid from the body. This can be done in a number of ways, and can take off 5-10 pounds of weight in a short period of time depending on the conditions. This is a great method because even if the athlete is already lean, there will still be fluid that can be lost. The limitations to this method are that it requires great amounts of energy expenditure, and can sap strength from the fight the next day. The goal for using this method would be to take off the weight you need to lose with the least amount of fatigue for the athlete.

The simplest way to use this method is to exercise. That can be as simple as running or jumping rope, to as complex as cardio fight circuits involving punching, kicks, takedowns and sprinting. Depending on how quickly you need to lose the weight and the temperature of the area you are in, you will get a feel for what style you need to use. In addition to the exercise, athletes commonly use plastic suits and heavy clothing to increase the body temperature and enhance the sweating response. Just remember not to overheat. Athletes have actually died from overheating using some of these methods. (I must repeat that the goal is to be within 10 pounds by the day before the weigh in so that any methods you use don�??t need to be drastic).

In addition to exercise, athletes can also use a sauna or hot bath or shower to lose fluid as well. A dry sauna is the most powerful of the three for weight loss and this loss should be monitored. Time spent in the sauna or hot showers should be at small 15-30 minute intervals to check weight loss. This brings up a great point that it would be a good idea to travel with your own scale to monitor how much weight you are losing. The last thing you need to do is lose too much weight. We always travel with a scale to keep track of our weight status.

Bowel Emptying

Another method to lose weight is to empty the bowels the day before the weigh in. This is another method that requires no effort and will not hurt performance if done correctly. Your bowels, or stomach and intestines, are up to 28 feet long and contain up to 5-7 pounds of material at all times. The food that has been ingested over the last 24 hours is all still contained along this set of tubes. This material does not help performance and is actually waste. By clearing out the bowels, an athlete can lose another 5 pounds without having to do anything.

The secret is in the methods.Two days before the weigh in, an athlete will already be eating less if he has to lose critical pounds. The day before the weigh in, he should not be eating much at all (to be discussed later). That material that is still in the gut from the day before, however, must be cleared. How we choose to do this is with a very gentle, all natural laxative. There are much more powerful drugs out there that do this, but you should not be using them. They can hurt your performance and leave you feeling horrible. By taking the gentle, natural laxative before you go to bed the night before the weigh in, you should wake and clear your bowels completely. Remember that you would only do this if you felt you were not going to make the weight with the methods listed above.

Diuretics

I hate to even bring this method up, but I must because I have seen them used incorrectly by fighters in the past trying to cut the last few pounds. There are natural and drug diuretics out there that can help you to lose fluids up to or over 10 pounds. I must say, if you were at the right starting point and you followed the methods already outlined above, this should not be an area that you need to worry about. This method is more dangerous than the others, and can lead to electrolyte imbalances and decreased performance. An all natural, gentle diuretic I have used in the past is called Dandelion Root. If this is a must, this should be used the day before the weigh in, so not to have problems during the fight.

Eating

Yes, I did put eating as something to do while you are cutting weight. You must make sure that your blood sugar levels are normal during this process or you are going to feel horrible and have no energy for the exercise aspect of the weight cutting. The last thing you want to do is take in fluids with sugar or heavy foods as this point. That is why we use a simple Balance Bar to get the job done. The bar only weighs a few ounces, but it will give you some sugar and fuel that your body can use during the fluid and food fast.

You Made It, Now What to do Next

Ok, you made the weight and you are feeling good. Now as soon as you get off the scale, you need to start refilling your body with everything you lost. As I said before, this piece of the process is as important as the weight reduction. Most people make big mistakes here that end up leading to disaster during the fight.

When you are cutting weight, your plasma blood volume decreases, and your blood pressure can increase as a result. In addition to this, your resting heart rate can go up, you can experience fatigue and feel psychologically weak. You need to make sure you reverse these processes not only as quickly as possible, but correctly and completely. Most people ram a bunch of food and water back into the system right after the weigh in, but they do not finish the job.

After the weigh in, you should eat small meals at regular 30 minute intervals. It is critical that you make sure you take in carbohydrates at this time to regain the proper blood sugar levels. Firing a ton of food down immediately after the weigh in is going to leave you feeling bloated and sick. Your body won�??t be able to use all the food at once anyway, and it will just sit there. Smaller meals will clear the stomach and you will be able to eat again shortly. We actually have our athletes continue to eat all the way up to a few hours before the fight the next day. Eat meals that you are comfortable with. Don�??t start to do anything different.

More importantly is getting the fluid balance back. You should immediately take in fluids following the weigh in and continue to drink at regular intervals. The ultimate goal for my fighters is to see a clear urine stream before we know we are back. This can take 3-5 gallons of fluid over the next day to replace the 10 or more pounds that has been lost. Don�??t rely on the thirst response because it will not be accurate. You need to keep drinking to make sure that the blood plasma, fluid space between the cells and the cells themselves are refilled. An I.V. is also a good option here, but it can and should only be performed by a skilled medical professional. There are many dangers involved in this procedure. This is usually used as a last resort or in a medical emergency. If everything, from the weight cutting to the weight regaining has been done correctly and you have 24 hours until the fight, there should be no need for intravenous fluids.

A Few Pieces of Advice

A main motto of mine is that you never try something new a week before the fight. This stands for new techniques, new foods, new equipment, and especially weight cutting. This is something that needs to be practiced just like ground or stand up techniques. You would never attempt a technique in a fight that you have never tried before. You must think the same way about cutting weight. You need to understand everything about it. You must know how to do it, how long it will take your body to lose the weight, and exactly how your body is going to feel. If you don�??t ever practice, you are looking to add stress and potential disaster to the plan. Practice, and the better you master the weight cutting, the easier it will be to perform when the time comes.

Another mistake I have also seen at weigh ins is that a fighter may think they made the weight and then still be too heavy. This occurs when a fighter only weighs himself on his scale and does not use the official scale for the event. Remember that you will have access to the official scale, and you should monitor your weight according to it. This is the only way to know if you have correctly made the weight or not. The last thing you need to be doing is frantically exercising trying to cut weight in the last few minutes. The less stress and adrenaline release, the better.

I hope you have learned something from this article. Remember that weight cutting is an art and must be taken very seriously. When used correctly, it can be a powerful tool that can lead to victory. When used incorrectly, it can be a powerful obstacle that can lead to defeat. This, like any art, must be practiced a number of times in advance. Only then can you begin to truly understand its power."

10 minutes moderate pace on the bike.

Speed Circut
1 minute each station, three rounds

Russian twists
Footwork on rope ladder
Rowing
Sprawls on heavy bag (heavy bag was on the floor)
35lb plate rotations (a la TUF)

Combination work on the focus mitts. Fairly light day today, back in tomorow for gi jiu jitsu and muay thai sparring.

BJJ (no-Gi)
Time: 90 min.
Notes: Worked a couple of different submissions from cross-side position. Also worked re-claiming guard when stuck in cross-side. Did 8 rounds of rolling, with one person starting from cross-side and going until the person on bottom got to his feet or top position. From the botom I was able to get a couple of sweeps and when I was unable to get on top, I was able to keep my opponent at bay and not allow him to mount or get a submission. From top position I did get swept a couple of times, and that was b/c I was rushing and not paying attention to my posture. Once I figured that out I did better and locked in a reverse rear-naked choke (is there another name for this?) from mount position.

One thing I’ve been real happy with is when I’m in the bottom position, I’m not in such a hurry to try and exert my energy trying sweeps or reversals. Instead, I focus on my breathing, make sure I don’t worsen my position and make the person on top use some of his energy, then when I feel him lose posture or put himself in a vulnerable position, I explode. My breathing has also greatly improved, which has helped my stamina.

We’ve always just called it a front naked choke, or a front choke, not sure if theres a more technical name for it?

I find that helpful too, when I first started I was always the agressor, wasted all my energy and ended up losing on my gas tank. Now I find it easier to wait for a good opportunity and pounce on it.

fight class tonight

warm up: shadow boxing 3 minute round
30 second rest

round 1:
5 minute round of boxing
30 overhead squats with 5kg bar
sprawl + medicine ball chest throws 10 both arms, 10 left, 10 right
30 seconds rest

round 2:
5 minute round boxing
pad work with sprawls
complexes: 5 rows-uprightrows-hangcleans-pushpress-squats then 4-3-2-1 of the same
rest 60 seconds

round 3:
5 minute round boxing with takedowns
then same as round 1
30 seconds rest

round 4:
boxing with takedowns
same as round 2 but complexes starting at 4 working down to 1

round 5:
12 minute round small gloves
alternating partners every 1 and a half minutes (there were only 3 of us training tonight so one would rest for that time, with the other two sparring)

didn’t feel all that great as i have a slightly chest infection and was weezing a bit, also need to work on keeping my left hand higher got caught too many times with the jab.

[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
I thought I’d add something to the thread that doesn’t get talked about much, and took me some time to learn the importance of. Good training partners.
JR[/quote]

My wife is my weight training and conditioning partner so that goes great. However when I get paired up with a chach in MMA I feel like I’m being stolen from.

Strength Workout

1A. Deadlift, 5x3-5: 325 (3)
1B. MB V-up, 5x12: BW + 20 (12)
2A. One-arm DB clean&press, 3x5: 45 (5)
2B. Inverted row, 3xamap: BW (12, 11, 11)
3A. 2-hand DB swings, 2x15: 42.5 (15)
3B. Jumping lunges, 3x8: BW

Time: 40 min.
Notes: Good workout. DL’s went up in weight, so that’s good. I really like the DB clean/press.

hey im new to this forum… im bout to take a jiu jitsu class, but its no bjj… its called danzan ryu ju jitsu, do any of u guys know what it is or how it is?? give me any info u kno bout it…

also, i would like to know EVERYTHING you guys can tell me about doing anything to prepare for , because i have never done any kind of martial arts ever, thanks peacee

Joe DeFranco weighs in on adapting Westside to MMA training today:

http://www.defrancostraining.com/ask_joe/ask_joe.htm

[quote]Djwlfpack wrote:
From top position I did get swept a couple of times, and that was b/c I was rushing and not paying attention to my posture. Once I figured that out I did better and locked in a reverse rear-naked choke (is there another name for this?) from mount position.

One thing I’ve been real happy with is when I’m in the bottom position, I’m not in such a hurry to try and exert my energy trying sweeps or reversals. Instead, I focus on my breathing, make sure I don’t worsen my position and make the person on top use some of his energy, then when I feel him lose posture or put himself in a vulnerable position, I explode. My breathing has also greatly improved, which has helped my stamina.[/quote]

I think that would be a front choke, or a side choke from the bottom maybe. It’s tickling my brain though so I think it might have another name. Did you have an arm trapped as well or were you big guy squeezing it?

[quote]fireplug52 wrote:
Djwlfpack wrote:
From top position I did get swept a couple of times, and that was b/c I was rushing and not paying attention to my posture. Once I figured that out I did better and locked in a reverse rear-naked choke (is there another name for this?) from mount position.

One thing I’ve been real happy with is when I’m in the bottom position, I’m not in such a hurry to try and exert my energy trying sweeps or reversals. Instead, I focus on my breathing, make sure I don’t worsen my position and make the person on top use some of his energy, then when I feel him lose posture or put himself in a vulnerable position, I explode. My breathing has also greatly improved, which has helped my stamina.

I think that would be a front choke, or a side choke from the bottom maybe. It’s tickling my brain though so I think it might have another name. Did you have an arm trapped as well or were you big guy squeezing it?[/quote]

I didn’t have an arm trapped.

[quote]Donut62 wrote:
Joe DeFranco weighs in on adapting Westside to MMA training today:

http://www.defrancostraining.com/ask_joe/ask_joe.htm

[/quote]

I really respect DeFranco. This is a good template. Wonder what his thoughts are on conditioning for MMA?

[quote]Young O wrote:
hey im new to this forum… im bout to take a jiu jitsu class, but its no bjj… its called danzan ryu ju jitsu, do any of u guys know what it is or how it is?? give me any info u kno bout it…

also, i would like to know EVERYTHING you guys can tell me about doing anything to prepare for , because i have never done any kind of martial arts ever, thanks peacee[/quote]

A simple google search would of found you this…

hope that helps.

Stick around and keep your eyes open, lots of good training info in this thread.

A choke from the front with an arm trapped would of just been a variant of an arm triangle.

Muay Thai
Time: 60mins

Did some “swimming”, thats what I call it anyways, weaving in and out, side to side, to obtain underhooks, get a dominant position.
Went from swimming to clinch work against the cage wall, added knees. Then we seperated from the class and helped one of our guys train from a defensive position (pinned against the wall in clinch, he tries to escape we try to submit or take him down).
Threw on shin pads and checked kicks for 15 minutes.

BJJ (no-gi)
Time: 90mins

Drilled from bad positions, back taken opponent has one hook in, side control, full mount, back taken full hooks standing.

Rolled for an hour. Went 5-3 against opponents,was happy to submit several blue belts and defend submissions well against purple belts.
Felt more comfortable fighting from guard, was able to relax and wait for opportunities rather then waste my energy.