[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
Yeah that ankle sprain looked pretty painful. Surprised he didn’t tear anything.[/quote]
A sprain is actually a tear.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
If the Phillies are having this much trouble beating up on the Marlins, they’re in for a long season. [/quote]
Yeah, the Phillies are terrible. If I were them, I’d just blow them up and stock the farm system and begin to rebuild.
Don’t feel bad, the mess you have now was well worth it. That 4-5 year stretch was one of the best in Phillies history. You got a championship out of it, it’s not looking like the Rangers will experience that before they begin to decline.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
If the Phillies are having this much trouble beating up on the Marlins, they’re in for a long season. [/quote]
Yeah, the Phillies are terrible. If I were them, I’d just blow them up and stock the farm system and begin to rebuild.
Don’t feel bad, the mess you have now was well worth it. That 4-5 year stretch was one of the best in Phillies history. You got a championship out of it, it’s not looking like the Rangers will experience that before they begin to decline.
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I think they’re hoping for 1 last run this year, and I do believe they have the talent to do it but haven’t been living up to expectations.
I agree with you, though, it was worth it. I’ve lived practically my entire life with a crappy Phillies team, the last 6 years were great (minus last year).
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
Yeah that ankle sprain looked pretty painful. Surprised he didn’t tear anything.[/quote]
A sprain is actually a tear.
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Well I always thought it was a stretch, but I guess it is both. I sprained my ankle many times when I played basketball and it was never a tear. But i’m guessing that Mr. Reyes was for sure a tear.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
If the Phillies are having this much trouble beating up on the Marlins, they’re in for a long season. [/quote]
Yeah, the Phillies are terrible. If I were them, I’d just blow them up and stock the farm system and begin to rebuild.
Don’t feel bad, the mess you have now was well worth it. That 4-5 year stretch was one of the best in Phillies history. You got a championship out of it, it’s not looking like the Rangers will experience that before they begin to decline.
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The Rangers are loaded with talent. Lool at the farm system grades for all the MLB teams and you’ll see the Rangers rank near the top of the list. Their starting pitching with Darvish, Feliz when healthy, Ogando, Harrison, and Holland is still very young and only will get better.
The Rangers are a far cry from the Phillies. Philles are old and getting older. The Rangers are still a young team with some damn good prospects on the cusp of breaking thorugh. Not a good comparison.
But I do agree raj, the Phillies are pretty bad right now. The pitching is passable but the offense is just non-existent most games. If you loo at the score and the philles are down two or three runs in the seventh it seems like the game is over. If they don’t get ahead early they are in serious trouble. Just not a comeback offense, which puts even more stress on their declining pitching staff.
Okay any team down three in the seventh is not looking good… point is when the Phillies fall behind it looks like the game is over. You can really feel the offense start to press.
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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
If the Phillies are having this much trouble beating up on the Marlins, they’re in for a long season. [/quote]
Yeah, the Phillies are terrible. If I were them, I’d just blow them up and stock the farm system and begin to rebuild.
Don’t feel bad, the mess you have now was well worth it. That 4-5 year stretch was one of the best in Phillies history. You got a championship out of it, it’s not looking like the Rangers will experience that before they begin to decline.
[/quote]
The Rangers are loaded with talent. Lool at the farm system grades for all the MLB teams and you’ll see the Rangers rank near the top of the list. Their starting pitching with Darvish, Feliz when healthy, Ogando, Harrison, and Holland is still very young and only will get better.
The Rangers are a far cry from the Phillies. Philles are old and getting older. The Rangers are still a young team with some damn good prospects on the cusp of breaking thorugh. Not a good comparison. [/quote]
You’re right, they’re definitely a far cry from the Phillies, but I do expect them to decline before getting better, even with their highly touted farm.
I’m not really a fan of anyone but Yu Darvish on the Rangers current staff. I think Holland and Harrison are fine back end of the rotation type guys, but nowadays you need two lockdown guys at the top of the rotation. They could swing a trade to fill that gap and empty their farm like blue jays did. From my understanding their farm is light on pitching and all their studs are position players. Even if you have 3 studs, they take time to develop. Other than Buster Posey, Mike Trout, how many other highly touted prospects have hit the ground running?
Edit: what I mean by “lockdown” would be - 2 all star calibre pitches at the top of the rotation.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
If the Phillies are having this much trouble beating up on the Marlins, they’re in for a long season. [/quote]
Yeah, the Phillies are terrible. If I were them, I’d just blow them up and stock the farm system and begin to rebuild.
Don’t feel bad, the mess you have now was well worth it. That 4-5 year stretch was one of the best in Phillies history. You got a championship out of it, it’s not looking like the Rangers will experience that before they begin to decline.
[/quote]
The Rangers are loaded with talent. Lool at the farm system grades for all the MLB teams and you’ll see the Rangers rank near the top of the list. Their starting pitching with Darvish, Feliz when healthy, Ogando, Harrison, and Holland is still very young and only will get better.
The Rangers are a far cry from the Phillies. Philles are old and getting older. The Rangers are still a young team with some damn good prospects on the cusp of breaking thorugh. Not a good comparison. [/quote]
You’re right, they’re definitely a far cry from the Phillies, but I do expect them to decline before getting better, even with their highly touted farm.
I’m not really a fan of anyone but Yu Darvish on the Rangers current staff. I think Holland and Harrison are fine back end of the rotation type guys, but nowadays you need to lockdown guys at the top of the rotation. They could swing a trade to fill that gap and empty their farm like blue jays did. From my understanding their farm is light on pitching and all their studs are position players. Even if you have 3 studs, they take time to develop. Other than Buster Posey, Mike Trout, how many other highly touted prospects have hit the ground running?
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Stephen Strasburg
Clayton Kershaw
Tim Lincecum
Derek Jeter
A-Rod
Jason Heyward
Bryce Harper
Giancarlo Stanton
Justin Verlander
Craig Kimbrel
Ryan Braun
Neftali Feliz
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
If the Phillies are having this much trouble beating up on the Marlins, they’re in for a long season. [/quote]
Yeah, the Phillies are terrible. If I were them, I’d just blow them up and stock the farm system and begin to rebuild.
Don’t feel bad, the mess you have now was well worth it. That 4-5 year stretch was one of the best in Phillies history. You got a championship out of it, it’s not looking like the Rangers will experience that before they begin to decline.
[/quote]
The Rangers are loaded with talent. Lool at the farm system grades for all the MLB teams and you’ll see the Rangers rank near the top of the list. Their starting pitching with Darvish, Feliz when healthy, Ogando, Harrison, and Holland is still very young and only will get better.
The Rangers are a far cry from the Phillies. Philles are old and getting older. The Rangers are still a young team with some damn good prospects on the cusp of breaking thorugh. Not a good comparison. [/quote]
You’re right, they’re definitely a far cry from the Phillies, but I do expect them to decline before getting better, even with their highly touted farm.
I’m not really a fan of anyone but Yu Darvish on the Rangers current staff. I think Holland and Harrison are fine back end of the rotation type guys, but nowadays you need to lockdown guys at the top of the rotation. They could swing a trade to fill that gap and empty their farm like blue jays did. From my understanding their farm is light on pitching and all their studs are position players. Even if you have 3 studs, they take time to develop. Other than Buster Posey, Mike Trout, how many other highly touted prospects have hit the ground running?
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Stephen Strasburg - Missed a year with injury but okay
Clayton Kershaw - okay
Tim Lincecum - okay
Derek Jeter - It’s quite telling that you have to go back to the mid 90’s to drum up examples
A-Rod - see above
Jason Heyward - okay
Bryce Harper - No
Giancarlo Stanton - Ok
Justin Verlander - No, it took him 3 full years in the majors before he became an ace
Craig Kimbrel - he’s a relief pitcher, who cares?
Ryan Braun - It took him 1 year, but okay
Neftali Feliz - See Craig Kimbrel.[/quote]
Stephen Strasburg - Missed a year with injury but okay
Clayton Kershaw - okay
Tim Lincecum - okay
Derek Jeter - It’s quite telling that you have to go back to the mid 90’s to drum up examples
A-Rod - see above
Jason Heyward - okay
Bryce Harper - No
Giancarlo Stanton - Ok
Justin Verlander - No, it took him 3 full years in the majors before he became an ace
Craig Kimbrel - he’s a relief pitcher, who cares?
Ryan Braun - It took him 1 year, but okay
Neftali Feliz - See Craig Kimbrel.
Now compare these guys to all the players that needed 2-3 years before they became good. Then add in all the highly touted prospects who ended up doing absolutely nothing or becoming average-to-below-average players.
Not only that, but you’re expecting to hit and not miss on most?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
If the Phillies are having this much trouble beating up on the Marlins, they’re in for a long season. [/quote]
Yeah, the Phillies are terrible. If I were them, I’d just blow them up and stock the farm system and begin to rebuild.
Don’t feel bad, the mess you have now was well worth it. That 4-5 year stretch was one of the best in Phillies history. You got a championship out of it, it’s not looking like the Rangers will experience that before they begin to decline.
[/quote]
The Rangers are loaded with talent. Lool at the farm system grades for all the MLB teams and you’ll see the Rangers rank near the top of the list. Their starting pitching with Darvish, Feliz when healthy, Ogando, Harrison, and Holland is still very young and only will get better.
The Rangers are a far cry from the Phillies. Philles are old and getting older. The Rangers are still a young team with some damn good prospects on the cusp of breaking thorugh. Not a good comparison. [/quote]
You’re right, they’re definitely a far cry from the Phillies, but I do expect them to decline before getting better, even with their highly touted farm.
I’m not really a fan of anyone but Yu Darvish on the Rangers current staff. I think Holland and Harrison are fine back end of the rotation type guys, but nowadays you need to lockdown guys at the top of the rotation. They could swing a trade to fill that gap and empty their farm like blue jays did. From my understanding their farm is light on pitching and all their studs are position players. Even if you have 3 studs, they take time to develop. Other than Buster Posey, Mike Trout, how many other highly touted prospects have hit the ground running?
[/quote]
Stephen Strasburg - Missed a year with injury but okay
Clayton Kershaw - okay
Tim Lincecum - okay
Derek Jeter - It’s quite telling that you have to go back to the mid 90’s to drum up examples
A-Rod - see above
Jason Heyward - okay
Bryce Harper - No
Giancarlo Stanton - Ok
Justin Verlander - No, it took him 3 full years in the majors before he became an ace
Craig Kimbrel - he’s a relief pitcher, who cares?
Ryan Braun - It took him 1 year, but okay
Neftali Feliz - See Craig Kimbrel.[/quote]
Stephen Strasburg - Missed a year with injury but okay
Clayton Kershaw - okay
Tim Lincecum - okay
Derek Jeter - It’s quite telling that you have to go back to the mid 90’s to drum up examples
A-Rod - see above
Jason Heyward - okay
Bryce Harper - No
Giancarlo Stanton - Ok
Justin Verlander - No, it took him 3 full years in the majors before he became an ace
Craig Kimbrel - he’s a relief pitcher, who cares?
Ryan Braun - It took him 1 year, but okay
Neftali Feliz - See Craig Kimbrel.
Now compare these guys to all the players that needed 2-3 years before they became good. Then add in all the highly touted prospects who ended up doing absolutely nothing or becoming average-to-below-average players.
Not only that, but you’re expecting to hit and not miss on most?
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I suggest you take a look at Verlander’s and Braun’s rookie year stats if you think it took them three and one years, respectively.
Verlander was 17-9 with a 3.6 ERA and 183 innings. He also started Game 1 of the World Series that year.
Braun hit .324 with 34 HRs and 97 RBIs.
Bryce Harper made the All-Star team and helped lead his team to the playoffs in his rookie year. He also hit 22 HRs in less than a full season.
Say what you want about relief pitchers, but Feliz and Kimbrel were two of the best closers in the game their rookie years. Feliz had a 2.73 ERA with 40 saves and Kimbrel one-upped him with a 2.10 ERA and 46 saves. Relief pitchers matter. The lack of them on the Blue Jays this year will further impress upon you their importance.
And for the record, a team doesn’t need their prospects, whether they’re high-end or not, to hit the ground running in order to succeed. Look at the all the young, home-grown talent on the Giants last year. Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, Vogelsong, Romo, Belt, Crawford, Posey and Sandoval were all drafted by the Giants. How many of them hit the ground running? Posey, Lincecum and Sandoval. The rest will probably never be top-flight players, other than Crawford perhaps being the best defensive SS in the game. But they all have a ring because they know how to play the game.
That’s all that really matters. Can your prospects play winning baseball when they get called up? Do you have the talent to bridge the gap until they learn how to do so? I think the Rangers will be fine in the long run. They have tons of talent in their system and they have a team that wins. That sort of winning attitude permeates down to the lower levels and when the prospects make it to the bigs they learn how to win from guys who have already been doing it.
These were all scored as wild pitches…but good lord does Dioner Navarro suck.
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
These were all scored as wild pitches…but good lord does Dioner Navarro suck.[/quote]
I was listening to that game on the radio, so I didn’t see them at the time. But fuck, those were bad. In Navarro’s defense, the wild pitches from Jackson all came on low-to-mid 90s fastballs that bounced about two feet in front of the plate, which is basically the same as setting up on the outside corner and then the pitcher throws the pitch about a foot and a half behind the hitter. With a fastball, the catcher simply doesn’t expect the pitcher to miss the target by that much, which is the only reason I can think of as to why Navarro didn’t even attempt to drop to his knees to block the pitch.
That being said, it’s the fucking major leagues. That shit can’t happen, on either the pitcher’s or the catcher’s part. And the off-speed pitches Navarro had a shot at he completely botched anyways. I’m sure he got an earful from the pitching coach, the manager, and maybe even the pitchers. I don’t think Jackson has any real reason to get mad because as bad as those non-attempts at blocking his wild pitches were, when you bounce a fastball that far in front of the plate, you’ve missed the target by a fucking mile. And it’s not like Jackson was all over the place before that. Up until that inning, he was dominating the Giants and had been in control of all his pitches. Things just unraveled on him out of nowhere. That’s why they’re the Cubs.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
That’s why they’re the Cubs.[/quote]
Fact. I never understand why they have such a loyal fanbase. It’s just a horrible team from the owners to the management to the players. Always has been.
And I’ve lived in Chicago my entire life.
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
That’s why they’re the Cubs.[/quote]
Fact. I never understand why they have such a loyal fanbase. It’s just a horrible team from the owners to the management to the players. Always has been.
And I’ve lived in Chicago my entire life.
[/quote]
So, are you saying that I should choose a Cubs avatar for you if you lose our bet?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
That’s why they’re the Cubs.[/quote]
Fact. I never understand why they have such a loyal fanbase. It’s just a horrible team from the owners to the management to the players. Always has been.
And I’ve lived in Chicago my entire life.
[/quote]
So, are you saying that I should choose a Cubs avatar for you if you lose our bet?[/quote]
That’s humiliation right there.
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
That’s why they’re the Cubs.[/quote]
Fact. I never understand why they have such a loyal fanbase. It’s just a horrible team from the owners to the management to the players. Always has been.
And I’ve lived in Chicago my entire life.
[/quote]
I hate the Cubs. I hope they never win. They’re not lovable, they’re just losers.
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Jered weaver broken arm.
There’s literally no one left to pitch for them lol[/quote]
I never why they went after a big bat like Hamilton in the offseason when they had a bigger need in their pitching staff.[/quote]
I don’t think they will end up anywhere significant in the end, but when the bats wake up, they will go on a tear. Losing Weaver does hurt though.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
That’s why they’re the Cubs.[/quote]
Fact. I never understand why they have such a loyal fanbase. It’s just a horrible team from the owners to the management to the players. Always has been.
And I’ve lived in Chicago my entire life.
[/quote]
So, are you saying that I should choose a Cubs avatar for you if you lose our bet?[/quote]
As long as it’s tattooed on a super-gay homosexual
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Anonymity wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
That’s why they’re the Cubs.[/quote]
Fact. I never understand why they have such a loyal fanbase. It’s just a horrible team from the owners to the management to the players. Always has been.
And I’ve lived in Chicago my entire life.
[/quote]
I hate the Cubs. I hope they never win. They’re not lovable, they’re just losers.[/quote]
Agreed. Everyone thinks the Ricketts are coming in to turn that organization around. The Ricketts bought the club to make lots of money. Pretty easy when you’re the cubs to just slash payroll and exploit the old-style drinking fans who will support the team no matter what. They are probably raking money in hand-over-fist.
Good business to be in for them, that organization is a cash cow. They don’t need to win to sell tickets like crazy.
attendance sits around 3 mil a year:
payroll slashed from 135 mil to 88 mil under Ricketts ownership
And they’re not even rebuilding…they only have 3 players in MLB.com top 100 prospects rating.
4 according to baseball america.
It’s no wonder they were mailed a severed goat head.
just pathetic.