[quote]therajraj wrote:
Most players will consider yelling at fielder trying to catch a popup dirty, but taking out the second basemen on a double play ball not.
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Are you dense?
If you take someone out with your cleats aimed at a guys planted knees it’s dirty. Accidents happen but cleats up is always dirty. It’s not black and white.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Posey dove toward the plate after the ball hit his glove. 19 out of 20 major leaguers would have barreled into him.
I think being allowed to hit a defensive catcher is a stupid rule. It was not a dirty play.[/quote]
Exactly.
A play at the plate in a tie game in extra innings? Almost every player in the league would have done the same.[/quote]
Why are you ignoring the fact that the whole plate was exposed?
MOST major leaguers would hook slide around the catcher to GUARENTEE they would score. Not HOPE that the catcher loses the ball in the collision.
Do you know how easily the runner could have slid around posey? Instead he lowered his shoulder and went out of his way to hit Posey. Posey WASNT blocking the plate. If the catcher isnt blocking the plate then the runner necessarily went out of his way to make contact. The runners goal is to get to home plate and if it wasnt blocked, what’s the reason to knock the catcher over?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Most players will consider yelling at fielder trying to catch a popup dirty, but taking out the second basemen on a double play ball not.
[/quote]
Are you dense?
If you take someone out with your cleats aimed at a guys planted knees it’s dirty. Accidents happen but cleats up is always dirty. It’s not black and white. [/quote]
Huh?
Where did I say raising cleats at someone’s knees?
Sometimes players running to second will slide nowhere near the bag but at the fielder who just stepped off bag and is about to make the throw to first.
Even with cleats down, they are sliding not at the bag but at the fielder.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Posey dove toward the plate after the ball hit his glove. 19 out of 20 major leaguers would have barreled into him.
I think being allowed to hit a defensive catcher is a stupid rule. It was not a dirty play.[/quote]
Exactly.
A play at the plate in a tie game in extra innings? Almost every player in the league would have done the same.[/quote]
Why are you ignoring the fact that the whole plate was exposed?
MOST major leaguers would hook slide around the catcher to GUARENTEE they would score. Not HOPE that the catcher loses the ball in the collision.
Do you know how easily the runner could have slid around posey? Instead he lowered his shoulder and went out of his way to hit Posey. Posey WASNT blocking the plate. If the catcher isnt blocking the plate then the runner necessarily went out of his way to make contact. The runners goal is to get to home plate and if it wasnt blocked, what’s the reason to knock the catcher over?
[/quote]
I don’t know how you can ignore the context - Posey was diving towards the plate in an effort to block it, Cousins was preparing for it to be blocked. Yeah he probably could have avoided it with a good slide, but I don’t agree that “most” major leaguers would.
I hope you and DB are this agitated about every similar plate collision and not just ones involving the Giants. What about the Carlos Santana play last year when the guy could have easily slid under his extended leg?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Do you know how easily the runner could have slid around posey?
[/quote]
just to play devils advocate here… Injuries still happen when trying to avoid a tag. Just ask Josh Hamilton.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Posey dove toward the plate after the ball hit his glove. 19 out of 20 major leaguers would have barreled into him.
I think being allowed to hit a defensive catcher is a stupid rule. It was not a dirty play.[/quote]
Exactly.
A play at the plate in a tie game in extra innings? Almost every player in the league would have done the same.[/quote]
Why are you ignoring the fact that the whole plate was exposed?
MOST major leaguers would hook slide around the catcher to GUARENTEE they would score. Not HOPE that the catcher loses the ball in the collision.
Do you know how easily the runner could have slid around posey? Instead he lowered his shoulder and went out of his way to hit Posey. Posey WASNT blocking the plate. If the catcher isnt blocking the plate then the runner necessarily went out of his way to make contact. The runners goal is to get to home plate and if it wasnt blocked, what’s the reason to knock the catcher over?
[/quote]
I don’t know how you can ignore the context - Posey was diving towards the plate in an effort to block it, Cousins was preparing for it to be blocked. Yeah he probably could have avoided it with a good slide, but I don’t agree that “most” major leaguers would.
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You beat me to it. Cousins was ANTICIPATING posey blocking the plate. Sure in hindsight he would’ve scored if he had hooked around the catcher. But in a snap judgement seeing how Posey was reacting it makes perfect sense as to why Cousins barreled into Posey.
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
Ok, i just got in a big argument at lunch with coworkers, I believe with every fiber of my being that Bautista is juicing, he is juicing, who agrees who disagrees and give me reasons. This crap about how a hitting coach helped change his swing which results in 50 homeruns seasons is bull crap. Right now he is on a faster pace that Bonds was in his 73 homerun season, ofcourse he wont come close, but, think about it.[/quote]
Simple. No proof.
Why would you believe a player is juicing without evidence? He has no history of it.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Posey dove toward the plate after the ball hit his glove. 19 out of 20 major leaguers would have barreled into him.
I think being allowed to hit a defensive catcher is a stupid rule. It was not a dirty play.[/quote]
Exactly.
A play at the plate in a tie game in extra innings? Almost every player in the league would have done the same.[/quote]
Why are you ignoring the fact that the whole plate was exposed?
MOST major leaguers would hook slide around the catcher to GUARENTEE they would score. Not HOPE that the catcher loses the ball in the collision.
Do you know how easily the runner could have slid around posey? Instead he lowered his shoulder and went out of his way to hit Posey. Posey WASNT blocking the plate. If the catcher isnt blocking the plate then the runner necessarily went out of his way to make contact. The runners goal is to get to home plate and if it wasnt blocked, what’s the reason to knock the catcher over?
[/quote]
I don’t know how you can ignore the context - Posey was diving towards the plate in an effort to block it, Cousins was preparing for it to be blocked. Yeah he probably could have avoided it with a good slide, but I don’t agree that “most” major leaguers would.
I hope you and DB are this agitated about every similar plate collision and not just ones involving the Giants. What about the Carlos Santana play last year when the guy could have easily slid under his extended leg?[/quote]
What agitates me is hearing someone who never played the game start dispensing judgments about the unwritten rules of the game, rules you’d have to have played to understand. Posey was diving toward the plate because he wasn’t in front of it. He didn’t dive into contact; Cousins sought it out and created it and it happened in front of the plate. Posey was NOT impeding his route to the plate, period. That makes it a dirty play.
Regarding double plays rajraj: the rule states that as long as you can reach out to touch the bag it’s a legal play. But players do not barrel through a guy if he’s on the bag getting ready to receive the ball, they don’t come in with high cleats, they don’t roll over or put unnecessary body english into the slide, especially when the fielder’s back is turned and all of this happens at a time when the fielder already has the ball. Players police themselves and they know that there are certain plays that they should not make even if they aren’t technically illegal ones. It’s not illegal to break up a double play, but players know there is a wrong and a right way to do it, just like there is a right and wrong time to plow through the catcher. What Cousins did was the wrong play and people who played the game can understand this subtle difference. So stop with the whole “legality” aspect of the play entirely. Of course it’s a legal play, just like throwing in the general vicinity of a player’s head or sliding with your spikes up.
I didnt hear it myself, but I heard second hand The ChiSox’s commentator (Hawk Harrelson) accused Bautista of corking his bat during the last series.
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
Ok, i just got in a big argument at lunch with coworkers, I believe with every fiber of my being that Bautista is juicing, he is juicing, who agrees who disagrees and give me reasons. This crap about how a hitting coach helped change his swing which results in 50 homeruns seasons is bull crap. Right now he is on a faster pace that Bonds was in his 73 homerun season, ofcourse he wont come close, but, think about it.[/quote]
Simple. No proof.
Why would you believe a player is juicing without evidence? He has no history of it.[/quote]
Come on rajraj just because you have not tested positive does not mean anything, just because he has never been suspected means nothing, even the Balco guy said that if somebody gives him the funding he can always be one step ahead with an undetectable drug. Look at all players that have produced similar numbers to Bautista at his age, look at that list and get back to me, also look at the list of guys that all of a sudden started producing over the top power numbers at his age. You really think he figured it out at age 30-31? That a hitting coach figured out a secret. Come on dude.
Here is another one,
Pujols has juiced too. <-------- and if that was ever brought out, i think even bud selig would keep it hush hush.
[/quote]
I agree about Pujols. Every other great hitter from his generation was on 'roids so why should I believe that someone putting up his type of numbers in the middle of the steroid era isn’t also on them? I also think that Pujols is fucking done because he’s really 35.
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
Ok, i just got in a big argument at lunch with coworkers, I believe with every fiber of my being that Bautista is juicing, he is juicing, who agrees who disagrees and give me reasons. This crap about how a hitting coach helped change his swing which results in 50 homeruns seasons is bull crap. Right now he is on a faster pace that Bonds was in his 73 homerun season, ofcourse he wont come close, but, think about it.[/quote]
Simple. No proof.
Why would you believe a player is juicing without evidence? He has no history of it.[/quote]
Come on rajraj just because you have not tested positive does not mean anything, just because he has never been suspected means nothing, even the Balco guy said that if somebody gives him the funding he can always be one step ahead with an undetectable drug. Look at all players that have produced similar numbers to Bautista at his age, look at that list and get back to me, also look at the list of guys that all of a sudden started producing over the top power numbers at his age. You really think he figured it out at age 30-31? That a hitting coach figured out a secret. Come on dude.
Here is another one,
Pujols has juiced too. <-------- and if that was ever brought out, i think even bud selig would keep it hush hush.
[/quote]
Believe whatever you want. I go under the assumption all players are not cheating until proven otherwise.
That being said can steroids alone turn a 20 home run hitter into a 54 home run hitter overnight?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
Ok, i just got in a big argument at lunch with coworkers, I believe with every fiber of my being that Bautista is juicing, he is juicing, who agrees who disagrees and give me reasons. This crap about how a hitting coach helped change his swing which results in 50 homeruns seasons is bull crap. Right now he is on a faster pace that Bonds was in his 73 homerun season, ofcourse he wont come close, but, think about it.[/quote]
Simple. No proof.
Why would you believe a player is juicing without evidence? He has no history of it.[/quote]
Come on rajraj just because you have not tested positive does not mean anything, just because he has never been suspected means nothing, even the Balco guy said that if somebody gives him the funding he can always be one step ahead with an undetectable drug. Look at all players that have produced similar numbers to Bautista at his age, look at that list and get back to me, also look at the list of guys that all of a sudden started producing over the top power numbers at his age. You really think he figured it out at age 30-31? That a hitting coach figured out a secret. Come on dude.
Here is another one,
Pujols has juiced too. <-------- and if that was ever brought out, i think even bud selig would keep it hush hush.
[/quote]
Believe whatever you want. I go under the assumption all players are not cheating until proven otherwise.
That being said can steroids alone turn a 20 home run hitter into a 54 home run hitter overnight?
[/quote]
Stop. Just…just stop. We’ve all had this conversation a million times in the last ten years. We don’t need to have it again with a moron who knows nothing about the game aside from what you remember from last night’s Baseball Tonight and the Toronto Gazette.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Posey dove toward the plate after the ball hit his glove. 19 out of 20 major leaguers would have barreled into him.
I think being allowed to hit a defensive catcher is a stupid rule. It was not a dirty play.[/quote]
Exactly.
A play at the plate in a tie game in extra innings? Almost every player in the league would have done the same.[/quote]
Why are you ignoring the fact that the whole plate was exposed?
MOST major leaguers would hook slide around the catcher to GUARENTEE they would score. Not HOPE that the catcher loses the ball in the collision.
Do you know how easily the runner could have slid around posey? Instead he lowered his shoulder and went out of his way to hit Posey. Posey WASNT blocking the plate. If the catcher isnt blocking the plate then the runner necessarily went out of his way to make contact. The runners goal is to get to home plate and if it wasnt blocked, what’s the reason to knock the catcher over?
[/quote]
I don’t know how you can ignore the context - Posey was diving towards the plate in an effort to block it, Cousins was preparing for it to be blocked. Yeah he probably could have avoided it with a good slide, but I don’t agree that “most” major leaguers would.
I hope you and DB are this agitated about every similar plate collision and not just ones involving the Giants. What about the Carlos Santana play last year when the guy could have easily slid under his extended leg?[/quote]
What agitates me is hearing someone who never played the game start dispensing judgments about the unwritten rules of the game, rules you’d have to have played to understand. Posey was diving toward the plate because he wasn’t in front of it. He didn’t dive into contact; Cousins sought it out and created it and it happened in front of the plate. Posey was NOT impeding his route to the plate, period. That makes it a dirty play.
Regarding double plays rajraj: the rule states that as long as you can reach out to touch the bag it’s a legal play. But players do not barrel through a guy if he’s on the bag getting ready to receive the ball, they don’t come in with high cleats, they don’t roll over or put unnecessary body english into the slide, especially when the fielder’s back is turned and all of this happens at a time when the fielder already has the ball. Players police themselves and they know that there are certain plays that they should not make even if they aren’t technically illegal ones. It’s not illegal to break up a double play, but players know there is a wrong and a right way to do it, just like there is a right and wrong time to plow through the catcher. What Cousins did was the wrong play and people who played the game can understand this subtle difference. So stop with the whole “legality” aspect of the play entirely. Of course it’s a legal play, just like throwing in the general vicinity of a player’s head or sliding with your spikes up.[/quote]
LMAO I wasn’t aware that I said I’ve never played the game. It would be weird for me to say, given that I did play all through elementary school and high school. And yes, I was catcher for a while.
He has to make a decision early whether he is going to barrel into the catcher or slide. Like, a few steps down the line. He thought Posey was going to block the plate, so he made his decisions a few steps out. He had to start lowering his shoulder before he realized Posey would be late to the plate. At that point if he tries to avoid Posey he is out no matter what, so he seeks contact (he did not have any time at all to react to the dropped ball, even if he saw it at all).
One other thing I noticed (and always look for in sports arguments) is that the only people arguing it’s dirty are Giants fans, and every impartial fan who doesn’t give a rats ass is arguing the opposite. If it was a dirty play, some non-Giants fans would think so too.
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
Ok, i just got in a big argument at lunch with coworkers, I believe with every fiber of my being that Bautista is juicing, he is juicing, who agrees who disagrees and give me reasons. This crap about how a hitting coach helped change his swing which results in 50 homeruns seasons is bull crap. Right now he is on a faster pace that Bonds was in his 73 homerun season, ofcourse he wont come close, but, think about it.[/quote]
I am surprised you would say that on this site. In my layman’s understanding of AAS, the main purpose of taking them is to increase muscle mass. Given that Bautista is not growing any larger or gaining any weight, I have a hard time attributing his home run power to increased muscle.
Ever since steroids people want to act like no one ever became a home run hitter over the course of one offseason before steroids came along. It’s happened plenty of times.
PS - his power surge actually started coming at the end of the 2009 season, when he had 8hr in September. So I guess he injected a gram of test the night of August 31st? lol
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
In case you missed it when I posted it:
Here’s Buck breaking his leg at the plate[/quote]
That play happened right on the line, with Martinez squarely between the runner and the plate. This is not what happened with Posey and bears no relevance here.[/quote]
I was just posted that to point out Buck also has suffered a serious injury after a plate a collision. A guy who thinks it was Posey’s fault for getting injured.
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
Ok, i just got in a big argument at lunch with coworkers, I believe with every fiber of my being that Bautista is juicing, he is juicing, who agrees who disagrees and give me reasons. This crap about how a hitting coach helped change his swing which results in 50 homeruns seasons is bull crap. Right now he is on a faster pace that Bonds was in his 73 homerun season, ofcourse he wont come close, but, think about it.[/quote]
Simple. No proof.
Why would you believe a player is juicing without evidence? He has no history of it.[/quote]
Come on rajraj just because you have not tested positive does not mean anything, just because he has never been suspected means nothing, even the Balco guy said that if somebody gives him the funding he can always be one step ahead with an undetectable drug. Look at all players that have produced similar numbers to Bautista at his age, look at that list and get back to me, also look at the list of guys that all of a sudden started producing over the top power numbers at his age. You really think he figured it out at age 30-31? That a hitting coach figured out a secret. Come on dude.
Here is another one,
Pujols has juiced too. <-------- and if that was ever brought out, i think even bud selig would keep it hush hush.
[/quote]
Believe whatever you want. I go under the assumption all players are not cheating until proven otherwise.
That being said can steroids alone turn a 20 home run hitter into a 54 home run hitter overnight?
[/quote]
2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA 6 OBP SLG OPS OPS+
2006 25 PIT NL 20 3 16 51 2 4 46 110 .235 .335 .420 .755 94 168 12 16 3 4 2 859/74
2007 26 PIT NL 36 2 15 63 6 3 68 101 .254 .339 .414 .753 96 220 16 4 4 6 1 *59/87
2008 27 TOT MLB 17 0 15 54 1 1 40 91 .238 .313 .405 .718 91 150 12 2 8 4 5 5/3D4
2008 27 PIT NL 15 0 12 44 1 1 38 77 .242 .325 .404 .729 94 127 10 2 6 3 4 5/D
2008 27 TOR AL 2 0 3 10 0 0 2 14 .214 .237 .411 .648 70 23 2 0 2 1 1 /53D4
2009 28 TOR AL 13 3 13 40 4 0 56 85 .235 .349 .408 .757 99 137 9 4 6 2 1 795/8D
2010 29 TOR AL 35 3 54 124 9 2 100 116 .260 .378 .617 .995 164 351 10 10 0 4 2
2011 30 TOR AL 9 1 20 40 5 2 47 30 .360 .502 .773 1.276 248 133 2 2 0 0 7 *9/D
I dont know raj raj it literally happened over night i would say its the combination of figuring something SMALL out and STEROIDS.
The jump in home runs is just stupid, and look at the rest of the metrics.
[/quote]
So if he never is accused throughout his career and ends up retiring with a shitload of homeruns will you assume he juiced and got away with it? Or are you really just expecting something to come out eventually?
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Cuban32 wrote:
Ok, i just got in a big argument at lunch with coworkers, I believe with every fiber of my being that Bautista is juicing, he is juicing, who agrees who disagrees and give me reasons. This crap about how a hitting coach helped change his swing which results in 50 homeruns seasons is bull crap. Right now he is on a faster pace that Bonds was in his 73 homerun season, ofcourse he wont come close, but, think about it.[/quote]
Simple. No proof.
Why would you believe a player is juicing without evidence? He has no history of it.[/quote]
Come on rajraj just because you have not tested positive does not mean anything, just because he has never been suspected means nothing, even the Balco guy said that if somebody gives him the funding he can always be one step ahead with an undetectable drug. Look at all players that have produced similar numbers to Bautista at his age, look at that list and get back to me, also look at the list of guys that all of a sudden started producing over the top power numbers at his age. You really think he figured it out at age 30-31? That a hitting coach figured out a secret. Come on dude.
Here is another one,
Pujols has juiced too. <-------- and if that was ever brought out, i think even bud selig would keep it hush hush.
[/quote]
Believe whatever you want. I go under the assumption all players are not cheating until proven otherwise.
That being said can steroids alone turn a 20 home run hitter into a 54 home run hitter overnight?
[/quote]
2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA 6 OBP SLG OPS OPS+
2006 25 PIT NL 20 3 16 51 2 4 46 110 .235 .335 .420 .755 94 168 12 16 3 4 2 859/74
2007 26 PIT NL 36 2 15 63 6 3 68 101 .254 .339 .414 .753 96 220 16 4 4 6 1 *59/87
2008 27 TOT MLB 17 0 15 54 1 1 40 91 .238 .313 .405 .718 91 150 12 2 8 4 5 5/3D4
2008 27 PIT NL 15 0 12 44 1 1 38 77 .242 .325 .404 .729 94 127 10 2 6 3 4 5/D
2008 27 TOR AL 2 0 3 10 0 0 2 14 .214 .237 .411 .648 70 23 2 0 2 1 1 /53D4
2009 28 TOR AL 13 3 13 40 4 0 56 85 .235 .349 .408 .757 99 137 9 4 6 2 1 795/8D
2010 29 TOR AL 35 3 54 124 9 2 100 116 .260 .378 .617 .995 164 351 10 10 0 4 2
2011 30 TOR AL 9 1 20 40 5 2 47 30 .360 .502 .773 1.276 248 133 2 2 0 0 7 *9/D
I dont know raj raj it literally happened over night i would say its the combination of figuring something SMALL out and STEROIDS.
The jump in home runs is just stupid, and look at the rest of the metrics.
[/quote]
So if he never is accused throughout his career and ends up retiring with a shitload of homeruns will you assume he juiced and got away with it? Or are you really just expecting something to come out eventually?[/quote]
Juiced and got away with it, Pujols too. Like I said, I dont think baseball can handle another superstar being outted after Manny and ARod broke a lot of hearts. I think baseball would not even say anything if they did catch a guy like Pujols, baseball would die.[/quote]
Really? They basically just caught Manny. Maybe Pujols, but Bautista doesn’t have that same history as Pujols.
Cant just look at a players size as a marker of using or abusing teh roidzzz…
you guys remember Alex Sanchez, he was suspended for the roidzzz with a whopping 4 career homers. he was a fast fucker though.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Posey dove toward the plate after the ball hit his glove. 19 out of 20 major leaguers would have barreled into him.
I think being allowed to hit a defensive catcher is a stupid rule. It was not a dirty play.[/quote]
Exactly.
A play at the plate in a tie game in extra innings? Almost every player in the league would have done the same.[/quote]
Why are you ignoring the fact that the whole plate was exposed?
MOST major leaguers would hook slide around the catcher to GUARENTEE they would score. Not HOPE that the catcher loses the ball in the collision.
Do you know how easily the runner could have slid around posey? Instead he lowered his shoulder and went out of his way to hit Posey. Posey WASNT blocking the plate. If the catcher isnt blocking the plate then the runner necessarily went out of his way to make contact. The runners goal is to get to home plate and if it wasnt blocked, what’s the reason to knock the catcher over?
[/quote]
I don’t know how you can ignore the context - Posey was diving towards the plate in an effort to block it, Cousins was preparing for it to be blocked. Yeah he probably could have avoided it with a good slide, but I don’t agree that “most” major leaguers would.
I hope you and DB are this agitated about every similar plate collision and not just ones involving the Giants. What about the Carlos Santana play last year when the guy could have easily slid under his extended leg?[/quote]
What agitates me is hearing someone who never played the game start dispensing judgments about the unwritten rules of the game, rules you’d have to have played to understand. Posey was diving toward the plate because he wasn’t in front of it. He didn’t dive into contact; Cousins sought it out and created it and it happened in front of the plate. Posey was NOT impeding his route to the plate, period. That makes it a dirty play.
Regarding double plays rajraj: the rule states that as long as you can reach out to touch the bag it’s a legal play. But players do not barrel through a guy if he’s on the bag getting ready to receive the ball, they don’t come in with high cleats, they don’t roll over or put unnecessary body english into the slide, especially when the fielder’s back is turned and all of this happens at a time when the fielder already has the ball. Players police themselves and they know that there are certain plays that they should not make even if they aren’t technically illegal ones. It’s not illegal to break up a double play, but players know there is a wrong and a right way to do it, just like there is a right and wrong time to plow through the catcher. What Cousins did was the wrong play and people who played the game can understand this subtle difference. So stop with the whole “legality” aspect of the play entirely. Of course it’s a legal play, just like throwing in the general vicinity of a player’s head or sliding with your spikes up.[/quote]
LMAO I wasn’t aware that I said I’ve never played the game. It would be weird for me to say, given that I did play all through elementary school and high school. And yes, I was catcher for a while.
He has to make a decision early whether he is going to barrel into the catcher or slide. Like, a few steps down the line. He thought Posey was going to block the plate, so he made his decisions a few steps out. He had to start lowering his shoulder before he realized Posey would be late to the plate. At that point if he tries to avoid Posey he is out no matter what, so he seeks contact (he did not have any time at all to react to the dropped ball, even if he saw it at all).
One other thing I noticed (and always look for in sports arguments) is that the only people arguing it’s dirty are Giants fans, and every impartial fan who doesn’t give a rats ass is arguing the opposite. If it was a dirty play, some non-Giants fans would think so too.[/quote]
The collision didn’t happen on the line as if Posey was blocking the plate. He didn’t dive into the runner’s path either. The runner ran at Posey, NOT the plate (which was to his right, NOT right in front of him). I don’t know how else that can be defined. The runner made a play on Posey, NOT the plate. Whatever he anticipated, it clearly included him going out of his way and the plate’s way to initiate contact with a player who was not impeding his path to the plate.
The comments about not playing were directed at rajraj. And Bonez isn’t a Giants fan at all, but he played the game at a high level and he still plays now.