[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Schierholtz is adding to his trade value tonight![/quote]
I see what you did there
Where’d SP go I wanted to talk shit about the Nats improbably taking 2 of 3 from the Phils. Might be the highlight of our season.
Memorial day game was maybe the most fun I’ve had at a Nats game (up until we lost)
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Where’d SP go I wanted to talk shit about the Nats improbably taking 2 of 3 from the Phils. Might be the highlight of our season.
Memorial day game was maybe the most fun I’ve had at a Nats game (up until we lost)[/quote]
Hey there. I generally don’t follow NLWest minor league players so I haven’t had much to add in a while 
The Nats usually play well against the Phils plus the Phillies were finishing up a stretch of 20 games without a day off. While off days make me cry, I was very glad to see one yesterday.
I did catch that vid of the Phillies’ fan throwing one of Espinosa’s HR balls back on the field; making us look classy as always 
Congratulations on the wins my friend. Excuse me now while I remind myself that I should not be worried about Lee yet
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Brian Sabean is a bitch.
Calling out Scott Cousins is retarded. It was a clean play.[/quote]
It wasn’t a clean play. It was well within the rules, but that doesn’t make it clean. Posey was out in front of the plate in fair territory, giving Cousins a clear path to the plate that didn’t involve going right through him. Cousins came down the line and had two choices. He chose to purposefully target someone who was defenseless when he could have slid in without any less of a chance at reaching the plate. What he did was a dirty play, hands down. It was legal and it was dirty. Of course, I wouldn’t expect someone who’s never been involved in a collision at the plate to understand where Sabean is coming from.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Brian Sabean is a bitch.
Calling out Scott Cousins is retarded. It was a clean play.[/quote]
It wasn’t a clean play. It was well within the rules, but that doesn’t make it clean. Posey was out in front of the plate in fair territory, giving Cousins a clear path to the plate that didn’t involve going right through him. Cousins came down the line and had two choices. He chose to purposefully target someone who was defenseless when he could have slid in without any less of a chance at reaching the plate. What he did was a dirty play, hands down. It was legal and it was dirty. Of course, I wouldn’t expect someone who’s never been involved in a collision at the plate to understand where Sabean is coming from.[/quote]
Cousins play at the plate is acceptable by today’s standards in the game. It was by no means dirty if it’s within the rules. If Sabean has issue with the rules he should voice his concerns to Selig, not lambast a player doing what most players in the league would have done.
I also disagree, ass raping Posey increased the chances of him scoring at the plate than sliding.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Brian Sabean is a bitch.
Calling out Scott Cousins is retarded. It was a clean play.[/quote]
It wasn’t a clean play. It was well within the rules, but that doesn’t make it clean. Posey was out in front of the plate in fair territory, giving Cousins a clear path to the plate that didn’t involve going right through him. Cousins came down the line and had two choices. He chose to purposefully target someone who was defenseless when he could have slid in without any less of a chance at reaching the plate. What he did was a dirty play, hands down. It was legal and it was dirty. Of course, I wouldn’t expect someone who’s never been involved in a collision at the plate to understand where Sabean is coming from.[/quote]
Cousins play at the plate is acceptable by today’s standards in the game. It was by no means dirty if it’s within the rules. If Sabean has issue with the rules he should voice his concerns to Selig, not lambast a player doing what most players in the league would have done.
I also disagree, ass raping Posey increased the chances of him scoring at the plate than sliding.
Buster posey was partially blocking the plate WITHOUT the ball which is against the rules.[/quote]
Posey was not blocking the plate entirely, and even if he was, it’s not against the rules and acceptable by today’s standards in the game. Cousins’ play was not, which is why Sabean has already personally spoken with Selig and why you have a lot of former players coming out and criticizing the play. They haven’t crossed the line the way Sabean admittedly did, but the criticism has been there nonetheless, and for good reason.
I’ll say it again: just because it’s within the rules doesn’t make it a dirty play. It’s within the rules of the game to break up a double play with your cleats high, but it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to knock a hitter off the plate, but when you start the star player’s at bat off with a 95mph missile under the nose, it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to make a fake tag on a base hit toward a runner approaching second to get him to slide when he should be rounding the bag, but it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to scream at a player as you run by him while he waits on a popup, but it’s dirty.
When you’ve actually played the game at a high level, you can come on here and start dispensing judgment calls on the unwritten rules of the game and how it should be played. Until then, your opinion on these matters is irrelevant.
If you attempt to the block the plate without the ball you’re going to pay the price. Last time I checked, blocking the plate without the ball is a rule violation.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Brian Sabean is a bitch.
Calling out Scott Cousins is retarded. It was a clean play.[/quote]
It wasn’t a clean play. It was well within the rules, but that doesn’t make it clean. Posey was out in front of the plate in fair territory, giving Cousins a clear path to the plate that didn’t involve going right through him. Cousins came down the line and had two choices. He chose to purposefully target someone who was defenseless when he could have slid in without any less of a chance at reaching the plate. What he did was a dirty play, hands down. It was legal and it was dirty. Of course, I wouldn’t expect someone who’s never been involved in a collision at the plate to understand where Sabean is coming from.[/quote]
Cousins play at the plate is acceptable by today’s standards in the game. It was by no means dirty if it’s within the rules. If Sabean has issue with the rules he should voice his concerns to Selig, not lambast a player doing what most players in the league would have done.
I also disagree, ass raping Posey increased the chances of him scoring at the plate than sliding.
Buster posey was partially blocking the plate WITHOUT the ball which is against the rules.[/quote]
Posey was not blocking the plate entirely, and even if he was, it’s not against the rules and acceptable by today’s standards in the game. Cousins’ play was not, which is why Sabean has already personally spoken with Selig and why you have a lot of former players coming out and criticizing the play. They haven’t crossed the line the way Sabean admittedly did, but the criticism has been there nonetheless, and for good reason.
I’ll say it again: just because it’s within the rules doesn’t make it a dirty play. It’s within the rules of the game to break up a double play with your cleats high, but it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to knock a hitter off the plate, but when you start the star player’s at bat off with a 95mph missile under the nose, it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to make a fake tag on a base hit toward a runner approaching second to get him to slide when he should be rounding the bag, but it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to scream at a player as you run by him while he waits on a popup, but it’s dirty.
When you’ve actually played the game at a high level, you can come on here and start dispensing judgment calls on the unwritten rules of the game and how it should be played. Until then, your opinion on these matters is irrelevant.[/quote]
Most people who regularly participate in this thread have not played baseball at a high level. If you feel this way, why don’t you find a forum where only people who have played at high level participate?
If a play is considered acceptable by most players in the game then it should not be considered dirty. The general consensus by players of what constitutes fair play should set the standards. I bet if you ask 100 Major Leaguers about plate collisions most will say it’s acceptable play.
Most players will consider yelling at fielder trying to catch a popup dirty, but taking out the second basemen on a double play ball not.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Brian Sabean is a bitch.
Calling out Scott Cousins is retarded. It was a clean play.[/quote]
seriously.
The whole part about him not being the only who wouldnt mind not seeing Cousins play another game in the big leagues was totally shitty.
Total Douche move by Sabean. I hope he gets fined by MLB
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Brian Sabean is a bitch.
Calling out Scott Cousins is retarded. It was a clean play.[/quote]
It wasn’t a clean play. It was well within the rules, but that doesn’t make it clean. Posey was out in front of the plate in fair territory, giving Cousins a clear path to the plate that didn’t involve going right through him. Cousins came down the line and had two choices. He chose to purposefully target someone who was defenseless when he could have slid in without any less of a chance at reaching the plate. What he did was a dirty play, hands down. It was legal and it was dirty. Of course, I wouldn’t expect someone who’s never been involved in a collision at the plate to understand where Sabean is coming from.[/quote]
Cousins play at the plate is acceptable by today’s standards in the game. It was by no means dirty if it’s within the rules. If Sabean has issue with the rules he should voice his concerns to Selig, not lambast a player doing what most players in the league would have done.
I also disagree, ass raping Posey increased the chances of him scoring at the plate than sliding.
Buster posey was partially blocking the plate WITHOUT the ball which is against the rules.[/quote]
Posey was not blocking the plate entirely, and even if he was, it’s not against the rules and acceptable by today’s standards in the game. Cousins’ play was not, which is why Sabean has already personally spoken with Selig and why you have a lot of former players coming out and criticizing the play. They haven’t crossed the line the way Sabean admittedly did, but the criticism has been there nonetheless, and for good reason.
I’ll say it again: just because it’s within the rules doesn’t make it a dirty play. It’s within the rules of the game to break up a double play with your cleats high, but it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to knock a hitter off the plate, but when you start the star player’s at bat off with a 95mph missile under the nose, it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to make a fake tag on a base hit toward a runner approaching second to get him to slide when he should be rounding the bag, but it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to scream at a player as you run by him while he waits on a popup, but it’s dirty.
When you’ve actually played the game at a high level, you can come on here and start dispensing judgment calls on the unwritten rules of the game and how it should be played. Until then, your opinion on these matters is irrelevant.[/quote]
Most people who regularly participate in this thread have not played baseball at a high level. If you feel this way, why don’t you find a forum where only people who have played at high level participate?
If a play is considered acceptable by most players in the game then it should not be considered dirty. The general consensus by players of what constitutes fair play should set the standards. I bet if you ask 100 Major Leaguers about plate collisions most will say it’s acceptable play.
Most players will consider yelling at fielder trying to catch a popup dirty, but taking out the second basemen on a double play ball not.
[/quote]
I just watched the play again, and I can tell you for a fact that Posey wasn’t blocking the plate and that the collision happened in fair territory.
I would be willing to bet that most major leaguers would not call that play “clean”. They might call it “unnecessary” as former catcher Ray Fosse has, they might call it “overly-aggressive” and a “bad decision” as Mike Matheny has or they might call it plain dirty. Without an actual survey, we’ll never know. But you know why you don’t see that happen very often at all? Because it’s a dirty play.
Without that survey, we’ll never know, but I can guarantee you that as someone who has actually played the game before, our opinions were not created equally regarding this matter. So you may guess this and that, but my far more educated hypothesis is that if you asked 100 major leaguers if a collision at the plate was acceptable, all 100 of them would ask you “what sort of collision at the plate? Like what happened to Posey? That’s not acceptable.” In fact, we’ve already seen a lot of former players come out and say that exact thing. So no, I don’t think the guess you made about some fictional survey is accurate at all.
[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Where’d SP go I wanted to talk shit about the Nats improbably taking 2 of 3 from the Phils. Might be the highlight of our season.
Memorial day game was maybe the most fun I’ve had at a Nats game (up until we lost)[/quote]
Hey there. I generally don’t follow NLWest minor league players so I haven’t had much to add in a while
The Nats usually play well against the Phils plus the Phillies were finishing up a stretch of 20 games without a day off. While off days make me cry, I was very glad to see one yesterday.
I did catch that vid of the Phillies’ fan throwing one of Espinosa’s HR balls back on the field; making us look classy as always
Congratulations on the wins my friend. Excuse me now while I remind myself that I should not be worried about Lee yet :p[/quote]
Some Phillies fan was trying to fight a Nats fan a few rows down from where I was standing in the concourse. I had to yell “Careful, he might puke on you!”
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Brian Sabean is a bitch.
Calling out Scott Cousins is retarded. It was a clean play.[/quote]
It wasn’t a clean play. It was well within the rules, but that doesn’t make it clean. Posey was out in front of the plate in fair territory, giving Cousins a clear path to the plate that didn’t involve going right through him. Cousins came down the line and had two choices. He chose to purposefully target someone who was defenseless when he could have slid in without any less of a chance at reaching the plate. What he did was a dirty play, hands down. It was legal and it was dirty. Of course, I wouldn’t expect someone who’s never been involved in a collision at the plate to understand where Sabean is coming from.[/quote]
Cousins play at the plate is acceptable by today’s standards in the game. It was by no means dirty if it’s within the rules. If Sabean has issue with the rules he should voice his concerns to Selig, not lambast a player doing what most players in the league would have done.
I also disagree, ass raping Posey increased the chances of him scoring at the plate than sliding.
Buster posey was partially blocking the plate WITHOUT the ball which is against the rules.[/quote]
Posey was not blocking the plate entirely, and even if he was, it’s not against the rules and acceptable by today’s standards in the game. Cousins’ play was not, which is why Sabean has already personally spoken with Selig and why you have a lot of former players coming out and criticizing the play. They haven’t crossed the line the way Sabean admittedly did, but the criticism has been there nonetheless, and for good reason.
I’ll say it again: just because it’s within the rules doesn’t make it a dirty play. It’s within the rules of the game to break up a double play with your cleats high, but it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to knock a hitter off the plate, but when you start the star player’s at bat off with a 95mph missile under the nose, it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to make a fake tag on a base hit toward a runner approaching second to get him to slide when he should be rounding the bag, but it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to scream at a player as you run by him while he waits on a popup, but it’s dirty.
When you’ve actually played the game at a high level, you can come on here and start dispensing judgment calls on the unwritten rules of the game and how it should be played. Until then, your opinion on these matters is irrelevant.[/quote]
Most people who regularly participate in this thread have not played baseball at a high level. If you feel this way, why don’t you find a forum where only people who have played at high level participate?
If a play is considered acceptable by most players in the game then it should not be considered dirty. The general consensus by players of what constitutes fair play should set the standards. I bet if you ask 100 Major Leaguers about plate collisions most will say it’s acceptable play.
Most players will consider yelling at fielder trying to catch a popup dirty, but taking out the second basemen on a double play ball not.
[/quote]
I just watched the play again, and I can tell you for a fact that Posey wasn’t blocking the plate and that the collision happened in fair territory.
I would be willing to bet that most major leaguers would not call that play “clean”. They might call it “unnecessary” as former catcher Ray Fosse has, they might call it “overly-aggressive” and a “bad decision” as Mike Matheny has or they might call it plain dirty. Without an actual survey, we’ll never know. But you know why you don’t see that happen very often at all? Because it’s a dirty play.
Without that survey, we’ll never know, but I can guarantee you that as someone who has actually played the game before, our opinions were not created equally regarding this matter. So you may guess this and that, but my far more educated hypothesis is that if you asked 100 major leaguers if a collision at the plate was acceptable, all 100 of them would ask you “what sort of collision at the plate? Like what happened to Posey? That’s not acceptable.” In fact, we’ve already seen a lot of former players come out and say that exact thing. So no, I don’t think the guess you made about some fictional survey is accurate at all.[/quote]
What about Buck Martinez’s opinion? The guy who’s career ended after a plate collision where he broke his leg. Another catcher Alan Ashby concurs.
Posey dove toward the plate after the ball hit his glove. 19 out of 20 major leaguers would have barreled into him.
I think being allowed to hit a defensive catcher is a stupid rule. It was not a dirty play.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Posey dove toward the plate after the ball hit his glove. 19 out of 20 major leaguers would have barreled into him.
I think being allowed to hit a defensive catcher is a stupid rule. It was not a dirty play.[/quote]
Exactly.
A play at the plate in a tie game in extra innings? Almost every player in the league would have done the same.
From the article:
Since Florida?s Scott Cousins crashed into Posey, critics have debated whether baseball should create rules to protect catchers from injury. Martinez responds with an emphatic thumbs-down.
And he says Posey, a rising star but a relatively inexperienced catcher, contributed to his own misfortune.
?Buster?s a converted catcher,? said Martinez, now the Toronto Blue Jays? play-by-play man on TV. ?He didn?t catch until he was a sophomore [in college]. The moment he went down on a knee before he had the ball, he was in trouble, because he was stuck in that position.?
In case you missed it when I posted it:
Here’s Buck breaking his leg at the plate
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Brian Sabean is a bitch.
Calling out Scott Cousins is retarded. It was a clean play.[/quote]
It wasn’t a clean play. It was well within the rules, but that doesn’t make it clean. Posey was out in front of the plate in fair territory, giving Cousins a clear path to the plate that didn’t involve going right through him. Cousins came down the line and had two choices. He chose to purposefully target someone who was defenseless when he could have slid in without any less of a chance at reaching the plate. What he did was a dirty play, hands down. It was legal and it was dirty. Of course, I wouldn’t expect someone who’s never been involved in a collision at the plate to understand where Sabean is coming from.[/quote]
Cousins play at the plate is acceptable by today’s standards in the game. It was by no means dirty if it’s within the rules. If Sabean has issue with the rules he should voice his concerns to Selig, not lambast a player doing what most players in the league would have done.
I also disagree, ass raping Posey increased the chances of him scoring at the plate than sliding.
Buster posey was partially blocking the plate WITHOUT the ball which is against the rules.[/quote]
Posey was not blocking the plate entirely, and even if he was, it’s not against the rules and acceptable by today’s standards in the game. Cousins’ play was not, which is why Sabean has already personally spoken with Selig and why you have a lot of former players coming out and criticizing the play. They haven’t crossed the line the way Sabean admittedly did, but the criticism has been there nonetheless, and for good reason.
I’ll say it again: just because it’s within the rules doesn’t make it a dirty play. It’s within the rules of the game to break up a double play with your cleats high, but it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to knock a hitter off the plate, but when you start the star player’s at bat off with a 95mph missile under the nose, it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to make a fake tag on a base hit toward a runner approaching second to get him to slide when he should be rounding the bag, but it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to scream at a player as you run by him while he waits on a popup, but it’s dirty.
When you’ve actually played the game at a high level, you can come on here and start dispensing judgment calls on the unwritten rules of the game and how it should be played. Until then, your opinion on these matters is irrelevant.[/quote]
Most people who regularly participate in this thread have not played baseball at a high level. If you feel this way, why don’t you find a forum where only people who have played at high level participate?
If a play is considered acceptable by most players in the game then it should not be considered dirty. The general consensus by players of what constitutes fair play should set the standards. I bet if you ask 100 Major Leaguers about plate collisions most will say it’s acceptable play.
Most players will consider yelling at fielder trying to catch a popup dirty, but taking out the second basemen on a double play ball not.
[/quote]
I just watched the play again, and I can tell you for a fact that Posey wasn’t blocking the plate and that the collision happened in fair territory.
I would be willing to bet that most major leaguers would not call that play “clean”. They might call it “unnecessary” as former catcher Ray Fosse has, they might call it “overly-aggressive” and a “bad decision” as Mike Matheny has or they might call it plain dirty. Without an actual survey, we’ll never know. But you know why you don’t see that happen very often at all? Because it’s a dirty play.
Without that survey, we’ll never know, but I can guarantee you that as someone who has actually played the game before, our opinions were not created equally regarding this matter. So you may guess this and that, but my far more educated hypothesis is that if you asked 100 major leaguers if a collision at the plate was acceptable, all 100 of them would ask you “what sort of collision at the plate? Like what happened to Posey? That’s not acceptable.” In fact, we’ve already seen a lot of former players come out and say that exact thing. So no, I don’t think the guess you made about some fictional survey is accurate at all.[/quote]
What about Buck Martinez’s opinion? The guy who’s career ended after a plate collision where he broke his leg. Another catcher Alan Ashby concurs.
Maybe you’re reading comprehension skills are a little lacking.
Nowhere does Martinez refer specifically to the play as being a clean one. Both him and Ashby are referring to collisions in general. I am referring to this particular collision, which Martinez blames on Posey for the way he set up. Martinez doesn’t mention that Posey was so far in front of the plate that, while kneeling, his feet still didn’t touch homeplate. Watch the play again: Posey is clearly several feet in front of the plate and in fair territory. Cousins starts off in foul territory and comes across the line to make contact with Posey with the plate to his right. The collision did not happen between the line and the plate, in the batter’s box, but rather in front of it.
Not all collisions are the same, and no rule change is needed to differentiate between a legal one and an illegal one. If the play really was 100% clean, we wouldn’t be hearing about it a week later. Some collisions are legit and the clean ones are a part of the game, period. But a player veering out of the base path to collide with a catcher who isn’t blocking the plate is a dirty play, hands down, and I don’t need Buck Martinez or Alan Ashby to confirm this for me. If you had stopped jerking off to star Giants players getting injured long enough to get outside and play the game yourself, you’d understand that not all collisions are the same and that this particular one was a legal, dirty play.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
It was by no means dirty if it’s within the rules.
[/quote]
Youre a retard.
Stick to playing Ken Griffey Jr Slugfest on N64.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
In case you missed it when I posted it:
Here’s Buck breaking his leg at the plate[/quote]
That play happened right on the line, with Martinez squarely between the runner and the plate. This is not what happened with Posey and bears no relevance here.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’ll say it again: just because it’s within the rules doesn’t make it a dirty play. It’s within the rules of the game to break up a double play with your cleats high, but it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to knock a hitter off the plate, but when you start the star player’s at bat off with a 95mph missile under the nose, it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to make a fake tag on a base hit toward a runner approaching second to get him to slide when he should be rounding the bag, but it’s dirty. It’s within the rules to scream at a player as you run by him while he waits on a popup, but it’s dirty.
.[/quote]
Exactly.
2 years ago a kid on my team twisted his knee pretty bad and missed 2 weeks because of a ghost tag. There was almost a post game brawl the next time we played that team. Retards think theyre cute doing shit like that and then someone gets hurt and they wonder why 15 guys want to kick the shit out of them. Ignorance is bliss