About to watch the Braves game, and gotta say, besides the Rangers i’m really pulling for the Braves. I would like to see Chipper in one last postseason. He’s having a pretty damn good year despite injuries and being 40. Nice to see him going out playing well.
Play of the year
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23858931&partnerId=aw-7495138606610113106-996
Want to point out that this wall NEVER gets climbed. Its probably 12 feet tall
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Play of the year
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23858931&partnerId=aw-7495138606610113106-996
Want to point out that this wall NEVER gets climbed. Its probably 12 feet tall[/quote]
It was a good play, but Mike Trouts catch was better.
What do you guys think about this whole innings limit thing regarding Strasburg?
I’m conflicted about it. I can sympathize with the desire to keep him healthy and keep him viable for the next several years at the least. It’s been two years or so since he had Tommy John surgery, which is typically about when pitchers are fully recovered. But he didn’t have the opportunity to accumulate some volume in his arm to the point where the Senators would know if he’s fully recovered or not since his injury only allowed a handful of starts last year. Essentially, this is his first year back and the first real test of his arm.
That being said, it really makes me cringe to hear some of the comments from the pundits and the like regarding keeping him healthy for the long run. The whole reason the Nationals drafted the fucking guy is because they need someone like him if they want to get the playoffs and make a deep run or outright win the whole thing. There seems to be this assumption that the Nationals are going to be in this spot for the rest of the decade if they can keep Strasburg healthy. But the reality is that this year may end up being the best chance they have. It’s tough to be legit postseason contender every year, and then actually be in the playoffs all those years, if you aren’t the Yankees. I think the Nationals have a bright future, even without Strasburg to be honest, but you just never know what can happen. This may very well be the best shot they get for a long time and I can’t help but think they’re foolhardy for not maximizing this opportunity by trying to rest Strasburg up for the playoffs as much as possible without actually shutting him down for the year.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What do you guys think about this whole innings limit thing regarding Strasburg?
I’m conflicted about it. I can sympathize with the desire to keep him healthy and keep him viable for the next several years at the least. It’s been two years or so since he had Tommy John surgery, which is typically about when pitchers are fully recovered. But he didn’t have the opportunity to accumulate some volume in his arm to the point where the Senators would know if he’s fully recovered or not since his injury only allowed a handful of starts last year. Essentially, this is his first year back and the first real test of his arm.
That being said, it really makes me cringe to hear some of the comments from the pundits and the like regarding keeping him healthy for the long run. The whole reason the Nationals drafted the fucking guy is because they need someone like him if they want to get the playoffs and make a deep run or outright win the whole thing. There seems to be this assumption that the Nationals are going to be in this spot for the rest of the decade if they can keep Strasburg healthy. But the reality is that this year may end up being the best chance they have. It’s tough to be legit postseason contender every year, and then actually be in the playoffs all those years, if you aren’t the Yankees. I think the Nationals have a bright future, even without Strasburg to be honest, but you just never know what can happen. This may very well be the best shot they get for a long time and I can’t help but think they’re foolhardy for not maximizing this opportunity by trying to rest Strasburg up for the playoffs as much as possible without actually shutting him down for the year.[/quote]
I agree with the latter part. They suprisingly have the best tecord in yhe whole fucking mlb and w strasburg in the rotation they have a great chance of getting to and posibly winng a world series. The national league is not looking very deep. There is no clear cut favorite. The nationals could be throwing a series opportunity for POSSIBLY keeping strasburg healthy for a bit longer. Fact is no one knows. What we do know is the nats have hell of a team and a chance to win RIGHT NOW. Not taking that chance is letting everyone on that team down. I hate this move and am still living in denial that the nats will actually pull the plug on him.
Edit: i believe they are also letting their fans down and robbing them of what should be a magical season.
Jesus fucking Christ. I went to take a shit and when I came back it was 8 to zero. What the fuck happened?
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What do you guys think about this whole innings limit thing regarding Strasburg?
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There doesn’t seem to be any proven pattern for innings limits with respect to pitchers returning from Tommy John Surgery.
Whether you baby them or give them a higher end limit they seem to get injured at the same rate. Since there is really nothing to gain being extra careful with Strausburg, I would give him an innings limit in the higher end of the middle ground ~200-205 IP. Not quite a full season, but only a handful of starts from being one. At the rate he’s going he could probably throw 240IP. You can easily make up 40IP with other starters/relievers at the cost of only 5-7 more runs.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What do you guys think about this whole innings limit thing regarding Strasburg?
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There doesn’t seem to be any proven pattern for innings limits with respect to pitchers returning from Tommy John Surgery.
Whether you baby them or give them a higher end limit they seem to get injured at the same rate. Since there is really nothing to gain being extra careful with Strausburg, I would give him an innings limit in the higher end of the middle ground ~200-205 IP. Not quite a full season, but only a handful of starts from being one. At the rate he’s going he could probably throw 240IP. You can easily make up 40IP with other starters/relievers at the cost of only 5-7 more runs.
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I’ve heard several trainers and coaches say that the general rule of thumb is to not increase the workload from the first year to the second by more than 30% or so. I don’t know where they get that from and I don’t know how many innings Strasburg threw last year, but I’ve got to think that he’s already past a 30% increase anyways.
He only pitched 24 innings last year
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What do you guys think about this whole innings limit thing regarding Strasburg?
I’m conflicted about it. I can sympathize with the desire to keep him healthy and keep him viable for the next several years at the least. It’s been two years or so since he had Tommy John surgery, which is typically about when pitchers are fully recovered. But he didn’t have the opportunity to accumulate some volume in his arm to the point where the Senators would know if he’s fully recovered or not since his injury only allowed a handful of starts last year. Essentially, this is his first year back and the first real test of his arm.
That being said, it really makes me cringe to hear some of the comments from the pundits and the like regarding keeping him healthy for the long run. The whole reason the Nationals drafted the fucking guy is because they need someone like him if they want to get the playoffs and make a deep run or outright win the whole thing. There seems to be this assumption that the Nationals are going to be in this spot for the rest of the decade if they can keep Strasburg healthy. But the reality is that this year may end up being the best chance they have. It’s tough to be legit postseason contender every year, and then actually be in the playoffs all those years, if you aren’t the Yankees. I think the Nationals have a bright future, even without Strasburg to be honest, but you just never know what can happen. This may very well be the best shot they get for a long time and I can’t help but think they’re foolhardy for not maximizing this opportunity by trying to rest Strasburg up for the playoffs as much as possible without actually shutting him down for the year.[/quote]
I agree with the latter part. They suprisingly have the best tecord in yhe whole fucking mlb and w strasburg in the rotation they have a great chance of getting to and posibly winng a world series. The national league is not looking very deep. There is no clear cut favorite. The nationals could be throwing a series opportunity for POSSIBLY keeping strasburg healthy for a bit longer. Fact is no one knows. What we do know is the nats have hell of a team and a chance to win RIGHT NOW. Not taking that chance is letting everyone on that team down. I hate this move and am still living in denial that the nats will actually pull the plug on him.
Edit: i believe they are also letting their fans down and robbing them of what should be a magical season.[/quote]
You’re a Nationals fan right? Don’t you feel cheated by this whole thing so far? I mean, the guy was drafted to help win a championship or three, here they are with their best chance to do so since well back into their Montreal days…and they aren’t going to use him for what he was drafted for.
Strasburg will be shut down before the season ends. The Nats will probably make the playoffs, but they have no chance of winning it all without him. Better luck next year?
How about Chase Headley this month, already has 7 HRs and 21 RBIs.
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
Strasburg will be shut down before the season ends. The Nats will probably make the playoffs, but they have no chance of winning it all without him. Better luck next year?[/quote]
Doubt it… I think that sentiment was made with the expectation that they were still rebuilding and were going to contend. They aren’t going to shut Strasburg down, not now, not at the end of the season, not in the play-offs. You don’t squander your chances at a ring and they have a good chance. However, they are due a slump. Everybody slumps during the year and they haven’t yet.
About September would be good for me.
If they blow it and fall out of contention somehow, they’ll shut Strassburg, as long as they are in it, he will be out there every 5th day. They might allow him to miss a start or two if they sow up the division early. That ain’t going to happen, the Braves are hot on their heels.
So Billy Beane aka the overrated chump is looking good this year.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
What do you guys think about this whole innings limit thing regarding Strasburg?
I’m conflicted about it. I can sympathize with the desire to keep him healthy and keep him viable for the next several years at the least. It’s been two years or so since he had Tommy John surgery, which is typically about when pitchers are fully recovered. But he didn’t have the opportunity to accumulate some volume in his arm to the point where the Senators would know if he’s fully recovered or not since his injury only allowed a handful of starts last year. Essentially, this is his first year back and the first real test of his arm.
That being said, it really makes me cringe to hear some of the comments from the pundits and the like regarding keeping him healthy for the long run. The whole reason the Nationals drafted the fucking guy is because they need someone like him if they want to get the playoffs and make a deep run or outright win the whole thing. There seems to be this assumption that the Nationals are going to be in this spot for the rest of the decade if they can keep Strasburg healthy. But the reality is that this year may end up being the best chance they have. It’s tough to be legit postseason contender every year, and then actually be in the playoffs all those years, if you aren’t the Yankees. I think the Nationals have a bright future, even without Strasburg to be honest, but you just never know what can happen. This may very well be the best shot they get for a long time and I can’t help but think they’re foolhardy for not maximizing this opportunity by trying to rest Strasburg up for the playoffs as much as possible without actually shutting him down for the year.[/quote]
I agree with the latter part. They suprisingly have the best tecord in yhe whole fucking mlb and w strasburg in the rotation they have a great chance of getting to and posibly winng a world series. The national league is not looking very deep. There is no clear cut favorite. The nationals could be throwing a series opportunity for POSSIBLY keeping strasburg healthy for a bit longer. Fact is no one knows. What we do know is the nats have hell of a team and a chance to win RIGHT NOW. Not taking that chance is letting everyone on that team down. I hate this move and am still living in denial that the nats will actually pull the plug on him.
Edit: i believe they are also letting their fans down and robbing them of what should be a magical season.[/quote]
You’re a Nationals fan right? Don’t you feel cheated by this whole thing so far? I mean, the guy was drafted to help win a championship or three, here they are with their best chance to do so since well back into their Montreal days…and they aren’t going to use him for what he was drafted for.[/quote]
No, rangers fan. I just think the nats are a young fun team to watch and the posrseason would be 100 times more interesting with strasburg starting game 1 for the nats rather than riding pine. As many analysts, columnists and commentators have said, there are many other ways to get him some rest opposed to just shutting him down. Skip a start or two maybe, have him pitch every 8th day, whatever. Anything but acomplete shutdown.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
Strasburg will be shut down before the season ends. The Nats will probably make the playoffs, but they have no chance of winning it all without him. Better luck next year?[/quote]
Doubt it… I think that sentiment was made with the expectation that they were still rebuilding and were going to contend. They aren’t going to shut Strasburg down, not now, not at the end of the season, not in the play-offs. You don’t squander your chances at a ring and they have a good chance. However, they are due a slump. Everybody slumps during the year and they haven’t yet.
About September would be good for me.
If they blow it and fall out of contention somehow, they’ll shut Strassburg, as long as they are in it, he will be out there every 5th day. They might allow him to miss a start or two if they sow up the division early. That ain’t going to happen, the Braves are hot on their heels.[/quote]
I just heard something today that they are planning on shutting him down at 160 innings. It was about the other players being upset that management is planning on shutting him down. I saw this on ESPN today.
Maiden last year you were saying you wanted Miggy to win the MVP because you thought he lead Det into the playoffs.
Thus year he and Mike Trout have had the best statistical years in the AL but both of their teams have been disappointed. Should that hurt their chances at the award?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Maiden last year you were saying you wanted Miggy to win the MVP because you thought he lead Det into the playoffs.
Thus year he and Mike Trout have had the best statistical years in the AL but both of their teams have been disappointed. Should that hurt their chances at the award?[/quote]
I believe I was making the case that Miggy was the MVP, not Verlander, because when they were fighting for home field advantage (against the rangers) there was a 10 game stretch in sept. in which Verlander didn’t contribute to one win while Miggy was tearing it up. So on that porticular team, the playoff hunt had a different effect due to both being on the same team and only one contributing to home-field advantage when it matteres most.
I Wouldn’t have a problem if Trout or Cabrera wins the award. I think if both teams were completely out of it by this point it would hurt thair chances, but they bit h atleast have a shot at winning. Also, for Trout, when you look at the Angels record before he started playing this season and after it makes an even better case for him.
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
Strasburg will be shut down before the season ends. The Nats will probably make the playoffs, but they have no chance of winning it all without him. Better luck next year?[/quote]
Doubt it… I think that sentiment was made with the expectation that they were still rebuilding and were going to contend. They aren’t going to shut Strasburg down, not now, not at the end of the season, not in the play-offs. You don’t squander your chances at a ring and they have a good chance. However, they are due a slump. Everybody slumps during the year and they haven’t yet.
About September would be good for me.
If they blow it and fall out of contention somehow, they’ll shut Strassburg, as long as they are in it, he will be out there every 5th day. They might allow him to miss a start or two if they sow up the division early. That ain’t going to happen, the Braves are hot on their heels.[/quote]
I just heard something today that they are planning on shutting him down at 160 innings. It was about the other players being upset that management is planning on shutting him down. I saw this on ESPN today.[/quote]
They are so confusing. But I doubt it, they are in a pennant race which is far from over. If they shut him down, I’ll eat my dog.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
About to watch the Braves game, and gotta say, besides the Rangers i’m really pulling for the Braves. I would like to see Chipper in one last postseason. He’s having a pretty damn good year despite injuries and being 40. Nice to see him going out playing well. [/quote]
Go Braves! I pull every year. Last year’s collapse was very painful and I took it personally. I was kinda hoping they would have dumped Gonzales and picked up Francona. I think Francona would be awesome in Atlanta. It’s the perfect place for a coach with his demeanor… Now if we win 100 games this year, I’ll forgive the collapse and Gonzoles. Otherwise, I hold that grudge until we can make it in to the second round of the play-offs. I am talking the league series not the wild-card divisions…
Right now, Gonzales is on my shit list… He’s got to win to get off. We’ve already been through our big slump for the year, so there are no excuses now. It’s time to win.
I do like the Rangers. I think Mike Maddux is an awesome pitching coach, plus his brother, the smartest guy in baseball, works with him now, so the pitching is clicking as it should. I really pulled for the Rangers last year, I was disappointed they lost.
But the Rays are my favorite AL team. I think Joe Madden is the best coach in baseball and I am betting he will go into the hall of fame as one of the top all around coaches of all time.