I have started a few posts here recently I found a doc who is willing to put me on the whole regimen of TRT so that is great! My previous doctor left the practice and is out of my network now and her replacement refused to prescribe AI or HCG.
So, I have a few questions mainly due to concerns of having too many injections
Blending Cyp/Enanthate, When I first started injections about 1.5 years ago my doctor prescribed a blend that had to be compounded (80%cyp/20% enanthate). I am currently prescribed 1ml per week enanthate (@200mg/ml) would I be smart to try to eventually create this blend in the syringe and mix the 2 myself (.8ml cyp, .2ml enanthate) or would the 2 not mix that way?
Blending Test/HCG in one syringe, I have been reading that some people will mix Test and HCG (I have Pregnyl) in one syringe and inject in one site (removing need to do multiple injections at a time. I understand that water and oil dont mix, but to my understanding these guys are “backfilling” (removing the plunger) filling with oil then with the water which should just create 2 separate layers). Anyone with experience here. If its strongly ill advised ill just keep with the routine 2 injections.
Last question Needle size. So KSMan mentions in the protocol to just use 29 .5inch needles for HCG and Test. My concern (40% BF) is that this would make my injections sub Q and I may not be able to draw with the 29G needle. are the insulin syringes he refers to backfillable or can you remove the needle to put another on to draw up. Also I understand its measured in IU’s as opposed to ML’s
Thanks in advance and I apologize for all of my questions!
Sorry forgot to state, my main reasoning behind the mixing of enanthate and cyp is cost, I like having the fast release and teh slow releasign esthers in the mix but Test E was $98 for 5ml (200MG/ml) Vs. Cyp @ $61 for 10ml (200mg/ml).
For the entire regimen I got that should last 2.5 weeks I spent $299
For the record, test E and C are both long esters - they are essentially the same in that regard. The big difference in the two is the oil. I wouldn’t worry about trying to make a mix. Just use one or the other. No sense to mix your hcg with the test either - just pin twice. If you’re using insulin pins, it’s not a big deal. If you’ll do some reading here, lots of guys have gone to SQ injections for test - it seems to work better for most guys. The test will draw up fine in the insulin pin, it just takes a bit longer. There are 100iu in 1ml, simple math. So, if you’re doing 0.5ml of test, that’s 50iu on the insulin pin.
Can you point me somewhere that would corroborate that I have heard countless times that E is long vs cyp short. Not saying your wrong just not having luck myself locating that
Cat is correct, Ehh and Cyp are both long esters. Well medium length actually, but there is virtually no difference between the 2 of them, maybe a day tops. Depends on where you look.
Just google test cyp/ test eth half life. This with get you what you are looking for.
[quote]MdavisUSF wrote:
Can you point me somewhere that would corroborate that I have heard countless times that E is long vs cyp short. Not saying your wrong just not having luck myself locating that[/quote]
The only short ester of test that is widely use is prop, which is water based. Cyp and E being oil based are long lasting esters.
On the mixing oil with water, I have always been told to never mix oil and water due to the higher chance of getting an abscess. Always keep oil with oil and water with water in the same syringe. Just what I have always been told, but I do know guys that go against that advice, so… yeah.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
higher chance of getting an abscess. [/quote]
Argument finished, ill stick with the 2 syringes, and apparently just ask for Cyp after the E runs out… wonder why its so much cheaper.
Still not 100% on the needle size since I am quite a bit heavy (40%+ BF) I want to use the 29g .5 needles but like I said I guess that would make it all subQ. I guess im just hoping someone will answer with experience first hand with subQ on HCG because the box says intramuscular only
[quote]Bauber wrote:
higher chance of getting an abscess. [/quote]
Argument finished, ill stick with the 2 syringes, and apparently just ask for Cyp after the E runs out… wonder why its so much cheaper.
Still not 100% on the needle size since I am quite a bit heavy (40%+ BF) I want to use the 29g .5 needles but like I said I guess that would make it all subQ. I guess im just hoping someone will answer with experience first hand with subQ on HCG because the box says intramuscular only[/quote]
Sounds a little off. As mentioned HCG is SQ only and that is all I have ever seen for legit HCG.
.5 inch needles with that level of bf? Where are you planning injections? I am much leaner than that and use 1 inch.
It is actually preglyn sorry, The box says in bold letters for IM use only.
My hang up on the .5inch needle is more a matter of not knowing if longer diabetic needles exist, it seems to me it is cheaper for me to pick up Insulin needles and they are more consistent on the gauge being higher.
Injection sites, i was doing 22g 1.5 in the glutes and quads when I did it before but that was strictly test. Now that I have the HCG component im still kind of being tossed back and forth regarding SubQ vs IM. I suppose I will do IM today since the only needles I have are the 1.5 and keep researching this before my next shot.
hCG is SC or IM. In fact the leaflet that comes with my Pregnyl hCG states FOR IM USE ONLY. However we all know that it works well in the SC too. IM will just be faster and might make EOD necessary instead of E3D or twice/wk.
I am sorry guys I have never heard of propionate. When I 1st did TRT my tehn doc prescribed Cypionate/Enanthate blend that had to be compounded due to cost I went to straight cypionate. Now I have a new doc willing to do Test, HCG and AI, I was under assumption Enanthate was longer absorbing (thereby reducing imbalances). It appears I was wrong on that and there is little difference between the 2.
Now the concern is that my needles are all 1.5inch and I am a bit nervous having never done SC before. I am also interested in teh insulin needles because its extremely difficult to find 29G in the syringes I have ben supplied.
My script says for HCG Pregnyl Inject 1000 units IM 3x a week. If I decide to do SC I assume I can get away doing 1500 SC 2x a week (am I on the right track?)
My Test Script says Inject 1ML IM 1x a week, I already plan to do .5 IM 2x a week to reduce the said hormone fluctuations
[quote]MdavisUSF wrote:
I am sorry guys I have never heard of propionate. When I 1st did TRT my tehn doc prescribed Cypionate/Enanthate blend that had to be compounded due to cost I went to straight cypionate. Now I have a new doc willing to do Test, HCG and AI, I was under assumption Enanthate was longer absorbing (thereby reducing imbalances). It appears I was wrong on that and there is little difference between the 2.
Now the concern is that my needles are all 1.5inch and I am a bit nervous having never done SC before. I am also interested in teh insulin needles because its extremely difficult to find 29G in the syringes I have ben supplied.
My script says for HCG Pregnyl Inject 1000 units IM 3x a week. If I decide to do SC I assume I can get away doing 1500 SC 2x a week (am I on the right track?)
My Test Script says Inject 1ML IM 1x a week, I already plan to do .5 IM 2x a week to reduce the said hormone fluctuations[/quote]
If you’re using a 1.5" needle (25g? 23g?) you can do SC just don’t need to put it all the way in. There is wiggle room in these matters and it isn’t a big deal if you mess up one shot and put it in the muscle.
1.5mL is close to the maximum SC dose. IM is used for larger doses and is why the Pregnyl states IM only. Women trying to become pregnant will inject 2000-5000 units and it’s way too high a volume for SC.
OK Just did my first injections, I did them both in the same area but not the same needle/syringe (1.5inch needle) (Quad), with the proximity I was able to cover both sites up with a standard Band aid.
I did both IM as I currently do not have the shorter pins and I was nervous enough as it was.
.5ml IM Test E (Second injection in 3 days)
.5ml (500 IU) HCG Pregnyl (will do .5ml again in 3 days)
After reading KSMans sticky on the injection protocol I think I will follow his suggestion on the lower dosing of HCG Pregnyl as I believe my directions of 1,000 3x a week geared towards the fertility treatment. I know his says .25 EOD but I am shooting for rouhgly the same size dosage broek up into 2 injections a week rather than 4 for sake of just not having to do it so often.